New Book About Akira Toriyama - The Master of Manga

[Perfect]

I, my, mine. That's 100% completely subjective and can never be asserted as fact. The same things you mentioned in first paragraph I could tell about Matsumoto (once very popular in Europe) while ranting about poor quality of nowadays SF shows, but that doesn't change the fact that now his works are told to have mostly nostalgic and historical value.

I'm not familiar with his work(s), but again, a different demographic and target audience changes how his works were marketed and received in the first place. Not every Dragon Ball fan goes, "Wow this sucks, I only like it because I liked it when I was younger!, quiet the opposite really.

Don't take Daizex as majority. The fact that people's tastes changes touches every medium. On regular convents/ forums people still taking DB as more than nostalgia are really minority of minority. Similar to Sailor Moon -once a hit, still told to be "must know classic" but somehow all re-airings are targeted to older fans.

When did I once mention Daizex? When? Yes everyone's tastes do change, simple enough. However with every different franchise, less "tastes" change. Series fluctuate in terms of fans of all generations. By your logic, every fan-base should be the same, what a fallacy. Nostalgia mainly? Really? Even the people at Dragon Ball wiki and Youtube, that prefer the Faulconer score and Orange Bricks like the series for something more than "nostalgia", sure it's a factor, but you're acting like it's the only reason "anyone" can bare to watch the horrible Dragon Ball Z. Sailor Moon while regraded as a classic to some, is not know as a "must know series", I guarantee there's millions of more people that know what Dragon Ball is. The fact you even brought that up is just a poor foundation towards a faulty argument. In order for it to be "must known", it has to entirely depend on the group of people you talk with in that generalized context.

By forgetting half of them as DB goes by. I don't say about characterisation, because it's subjective, but about that he couldn't deal with his own creation. My worst grudge against Toryiama is that he abandoned "one ressurection per person" rule that completely ruined the tension.
I don't have the urge to prove that things I like are the best in the world, while they aren't. I don't deny it's influence, but after years I see it's disadvantages.

He didn't forget "half of them", only a couple. There's reasons for this that contribute to "I forgot". For example, the character served his or her purpose and wouldn't be of use anymore, so why not forget about them? When you already have a cluster of useless characters like Turtle and Yamcha around, why bother keeping those extra heads to draw. Mark Twain also dropped characters off like flies, not because he forgot rather, but because they served their purpose. And if you think forgetting about an insignifcant character or two means someone can't "deal with their own creation", then you have no idea what "dealing with your own creation" even means. Him abandoning the rule and dancing around it without making plot holes is relevant towards not dealing with his work how? Oh wait, it isn't. It's just something you didn't like about the story, go figure. There's disadvantages and advantages to every great story, period; the fact you're even denouncing Toriyama for such weak arguments is laughable, really.

[Eire]

Lemon balm? Because I'm not those who seems to be too worried that somebody has his volumes on shelves, not on altar.

Now short question. Where did I wrote that DB "sucks"? Or you consider that admitting that there are greater manga creators than Toryiama?

Second: prove me that there are millions of people who recognise DB rather than SM. Even if so, they both can't compare to Pokemon, so what's the point?

Third: If it turns that character is useless and author had no idea for him that he isn't as great. Balzac maintained about 2000 characters around his novels, Matsumoto and Ikeda by several sentences here and there connected their works in greater universes. Oda while writing One Piece don't seem to forget about his cast or turning them into useless statistics.

[VegettoEX]

I'm having trouble even understanding what on Earth you two are arguing about. Does it really belong here?

[Perfect]

Lemon balm? Because I'm not those who seems to be too worried that somebody has his volumes on shelves, not on altar.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.

Now short question. Where did I wrote that DB "sucks"? Or you consider that admitting that there are greater manga creators than Toryiama?

I was being satirical and over exaggerating your point.

Second: prove me that there are millions of people who recognise DB rather than SM. Even if so, they both can't compare to Pokemon, so what's the point?

Considering Sailor Moon's always had a smaller audience and the fact that it did mediocre in the States as a short fad justifies my point enough (DBZ was Toonami's number one, Sailor Moon wasn't even close). Do you see international video game releases of Sailor Moon every year (They stopped in 1997 for a reason), or new specials/anime series of it going on? No (Just some shitty live-action series). Sailor Moon gets like 9 million hits on Google, Pokemon gets around 55 million, Dragon Ball gets 136 million. Sailor Moon while it had an explosive popularity for its run in the shojo genre, it died off pretty quickly in Japan, the US, France and Spain. So anyway, yes Dragon Ball can compare to Pokemon, in many ways. Pokemon really seems to only do well in video games, the anime is regarded as terrible by the majority of fans. It lost its prime time spot a looooooooooooong time ago on Cartoon Network. Pokemon holds the title for the second most successful video game franchise, whereas anime-wise it really doesn't compare to anything unless you're talking about an insane amount of episodes with poor artwork and animation. Even if so, they both can't compare to Mario, so what's the point?

Third: If it turns that character is useless and author had no idea for him that he isn't as great. Balzac maintained about 2000 characters around his novels, Matsumoto and Ikeda by several sentences here and there connected their works in greater universes. Oda while writing One Piece don't seem to forget about his cast or turning them into useless statistics.

I'll stop you in the beginning since you have no idea what you're talking about, again. He has an idea for them, when they were of use. They served their purpose and were thrown away. Do you have any idea how common in any type of literature that is? From Greek mythology to modern works, it's a classic trope that'll be reused forever. Whether it's a good or bad thing is entirely subjective based upon characterization in the comic/novel/whatever, but didn't you say something about not going on about the subjective nature of characterization? Contradiction. Besides, why the hell would I wanna see Lunch and Yamcha cut in when I can see Vegeta and Goku smashing their heads in to fuel Majin Buu.

Edit:
I just checked and it seems to be that Sailor Moon in its prime, when anime was doing a lot better than now, did about the same as Kai did in today's world. So, really, my point's justified.

@VegettoEX
In a way it does, or did at least. The argument was originally about Toriyama and how he has so many "disadvantages" and he's only counted in terms of influence and that his Dragon Ball story isn't that great and is usually only liked by the majority of fans for "nostaliga" as opposed to a good portion actually like the series for what they're looking at (That can be taken from the FUNimation marketing, "DRAGON BALL Z, HARDCORE, SMASHING, FIGHTING", or a light-hearted adventure story people enjoy).

[Adamant]

Pokemon really seems to only do well in video games, the anime is regarded as terrible by the majority of fans. It lost its prime time spot a looooooooooooong time ago on Cartoon Network. Pokemon holds the title for the second most successful video game franchise, whereas anime-wise it really doesn't compare to anything unless you're talking about an insane amount of episodes with poor artwork and animation.

Pokemon is one of the most popular cartoons on Japanese TV (not quite up to Dragonball level, but it got about 70% the number of viewers as Dragonball Kai when they were both airing), and its movies are all enormous box office hits. It's huge.

[Eire]

My point was that there are better mangakas than Toryiama who made better comics than DBZ. From some unknown reason one user found that insulting and wasted too much time trying to convince me that I'm bad woman, because I dare to see some disadvantages.

Ps. Greek mythology was terrible detailed about heroes. Go to Graves. Also, world doesn't end in the States.

[Perfect]

Pokemon really seems to only do well in video games, the anime is regarded as terrible by the majority of fans. It lost its prime time spot a looooooooooooong time ago on Cartoon Network. Pokemon holds the title for the second most successful video game franchise, whereas anime-wise it really doesn't compare to anything unless you're talking about an insane amount of episodes with poor artwork and animation.

Pokemon is one of the most popular cartoons on Japanese TV (not quite up to Dragonball level, but it got about 70% the number of viewers as Dragonball Kai when they were both airing), and its movies are all enormous box office hits. It's huge.

Well I was referring more so to the United States with the anime, but to be fair, the movies have always had a lot better animation and did pretty well here at the box office for the ones that actually didn't just go straight to DVD here (And I mean, a thousand times better, if the Dragon Ball movies were let's say four times better for the sake of the example, then the Pokemon movies were 50 times better than their television counterpart).

My point was that there are better mangakas than Toryiama who made better comics than DBZ. From some unknown reason one user found that insulting and wasted too much time trying to convince me that I'm bad woman, because I dare to see some disadvantages.

Better is a subjective term that you just can't seem to understand when it comes to point of views. There's a difference between comparing something to a series that's like an orange, where Dragon Ball's like an apple (Referring to the first part of the argument a page back) and saying the apple is like the orange and that apple's creator doesn't deserve the title because of the apples and oranges comparison; it's subjective. I don't recall ever mentioning gender... o.O

Ps. Greek mythology was terrible detailed about heroes. Go to Graves. Also, world doesn't end in the States.

I for one love Greek mythology, we wouldn't have half the heroes we do now without it. Yes I'm very much so aware there's landmasses beyond the USA.

[Saimaroimaru]

Thing is USA is such a big market now. So it is not surprising people use it.

[MCDaveG]

OK, I'll lever it more to on-topic!

You can watch them....... whenever you want to!
They work pretty well as standalone, but yeah, Bardock around the time after Vegeta talking with Dodoria about the destruction of their home planet and the second one?
I think after Garlic saga, it'll be plotwise in real time.

[dbgtFO]

OK, I'll lever it more to on-topic!

Except you posted your response in the wrong topic.

[DerekPadula]

Yeah, I was kind of confused by his message.

In any case, our interview is scheduled for next Monday, the 26th. He's in France and I'm in Michigan, so we're going to use Skype. Hope it works well overseas.

Any other questions between now and then, please let me know.

[Adamant]

I assume this will be a core question of the interview anyway, but the biggest question is how he gathered the information used in the book. Who did he interview, where did he research? Does he know Japanese or did he rely on interpretors?

[DerekPadula]

Does he know Japanese or did he rely on interpretors?

Here is the answer to your question. Olivier said, "I needed a translator. I'm only able to say survival phrases in Japanese, like, "A Japanese beer, please!"

I asked about the others during the interview, which can be seen on my blog.

[DerekPadula]

Hey, everybody. Here are the links to my interview with Olivier Richard, author of Akira Toriyama: The Master of Manga.

Part 1, Part 2

I asked a lot of questions and Olivier was very friendly. Also very knowledgeable about Toriyama and what makes him so unique. He stood behind his opinion that Toriyama is indeed a master. Read Part 2 in particular if you want to see that section and understand exactly why.

Hope the Daizex community likes learning more about the book and the man behind it!

[Perfect]

Japanese comic books are not like in some countries, because they are aimed at different targets. Japanese manga could be for kids, it could be only for adults. It’s very rich.

I've been saying this for years, it only furthers the medium of it being true.

[Saiga]

I enjoyed your interview, you asked some really good questions. I learned a fair bit, I didn't know Toriyama still held the rights to Dragon Ball. Thanks for taking the time to organize and do the interview!

[DerekPadula]

You're welcome! These do take a lot of time and effort to produce, so I'm glad you guys like them! Sean Schemmel agreed to an interview, so that will probably be the next one I do.

[Perfect]

Can you ask him why the dub still chooses to use the incorrect pronunciation of Saiyan in Kai?

[MajinKing]

I, my, mine. That's 100% completely subjective and can never be asserted as fact. The same things you mentioned in first paragraph I could tell about Matsumoto (once very popular in Europe) while ranting about poor quality of nowadays SF shows, but that doesn't change the fact that now his works are told to have mostly nostalgic and historical value.

To elaborate, the majority of Twilight fans tend to migrate away from the series as they age, in most cases. That's not the case for the majority of Dragon Ball fans

Don't take Daizex as majority. The fact that people's tastes changes touches every medium. On regular convents/ forums people still taking DB as more than nostalgia are really minority of minority. Similar to Sailor Moon -once a hit, still told to be "must know classic" but somehow all re-airings are targeted to older fans.

He can deal with his characters fine, he's proven that.

By forgetting half of them as DB goes by. I don't say about characterisation, because it's subjective, but about that he couldn't deal with his own creation. My worst grudge against Toryiama is that he abandoned "one ressurection per person" rule that completely ruined the tension.

I don't have the urge to prove that things I like are the best in the world, while they aren't. I don't deny it's influence, but after years I see it's disadvantages.

Forgets his charecters?? u r being ignorant and u dont even explain how he forgets his charecters. Your just mad the humans dont have a bigger role then they uesd to which makes sense since the saiyans have no limits they arent humans. humans do have limits and even if they dont fight on par as they used to they still have development. Yamcha! By the cell saga he has to face his mortality and realise he aint the badass he always thought he was and thats why he lost bulma cuz he took things for granted. Tenshinhan. He wanted to be usefull during the cell saga and see what he can do in battle. He did just that and realised he was at his limit. Kuririn, he wanted a life of hapiness and someone to love him for who he is and he found her. These charecters all had a closure and it was done in such a good way.

[Fox666]

You are not making a proper argumentation.

Besides Eire is completely right. Toriyama lose sight of his characters, in Lunch case you can literally use the word "forget".