Episode of Bardock: Giant On-Going Manga + Anime Discussion

[Gozar]

In GT & video games, the tail never turned golden in SSJ. So, it's just this how it actualy works.

Not true.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Not true.

That's clearly SS3, not SS, which he already admitted causes the tail to change, unlike the previous forms.

[Gozar]

Not true.

That's clearly SS3, not SS, which he already admitted causes the tail to change, unlike the previous forms.

My mistake. Sorry. I didn't know the discussion was limited solely to SSJ1. I only read the one comment.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

My mistake. Sorry. I didn't know the discussion was limited solely to SSJ1. I only read the one comment.

Yeah, it was only brought up because Bardock's tail is brown in the special, when some people think it should be blonde. GT only has the tail turn blonde at SS3, which might even be an error, because its only visible once. Other than that, any other blonde tails (SS or SS3) are only seen in promotional materials for GT, like some of the books.

Personally I like the tail being blonde, but I don't really care one way or the other how it is depicted in the official sense...I'll do whatever I want in fan works anyway. =P

[Lance Freeman]

Wow, this new entry into the series is going to be the cause of so much speculation. Is Bardock ever going to find the rest of the Saiyans? I guess he will, since they have to hear the "Legend of the Super Saiyan" somehow. Maybe he has kids with one of the proto-Saiyans, and starts his own family line, or maybe he's going to start Vegeta's family line. Chilled didn't transform in his fight with Bardock, maybe transformation is an evolutionary reaction to get stronger than the Legendary Super Saiyan. Or maybe when Episode of Bardock 2 rolls around, we'll find out that the whole thing was playing out in Bardock's head while he was dying in the Death Ball.

[DNA]

*words*

What the hell are you on about son? There's no "Episode of Bardock 2"; there are no other Saiyans around; the Saiyans heard the legend probably from the Freeza Clan or whatever, after all the legend had been around for a thousand years and many races seem to know about the existence of the Saiyans and some about the legend. The namekian Guru knew about it. Maybe Chilled didn't transform because he doesn't have a transformation. Why would Bardock start Vegeta's family line? Why would this be a dream? How specific of a dream had it to be for Bardock to be able to dream about turning Super Saiyan?

[Jurik]

In GT & video games, the tail never turned golden in SSJ. So, it's just this how it actualy works.

Not true.

[PIC]]

SSJ = No golden tail.

[Cold Skin]

The music used is indeed that of Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans and Ultimate Tenkaichi, but there's one track that seems new to me: the piano track when Burdock accepts Berry as a meal friend. First, I thought it was the ending to Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, but it's not, and it isn't one of the two peaceful tracks of Ultimate Tenkaichi either.

So if I'm right, it means that they did compose a track just for this special... or more likely that the composer has made more tracks than what was used for the games in the end and that there might be more in store, which would justify an OST even more.

Anyway, he definately seems to be the new composer chosen by Toei for any of the show's new material, which sounds good to me.

Too bad the ending credits are so rushed, I never would imagined they would just have a black screen without any music and show the credits in like five seconds before displaying "The End". I thought that if they didn't have any specific ending, they would do just like for Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans and show pictures of the special along with a mix of the OST used. But that's the laziest ending credits I've ever seen in the Dragon Ball franchise! Guess they were out of time!

[TheDevilsCorpse]

In GT & video games, the tail never turned golden in SSJ. So, it's just this how it actualy works.

Not true.

SSJ = No golden tail.

Its not like it is always depicted as brown though...

[AoiKageNoChikara]

I Really want the Music for this!! It used some tracks from PTETSS!!! I want A Soundtrack of this

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, that was interesting. The animation was great (although I still hate this kind of angular character design), and I loved the music.

The story... eh. And not a bad eh. This is certainly the best thing Ooishi has put out, DB storywise. These are the kinds of crazy, one-off sidestories Dragon Ball SD should be telling.

To take it seriously, though? I agree with the other detractors, honestly. Sent back in time? Really? Heroic tendencies? What? Fulfiller of legend? Come on! "Diminishes." That's the best word I've seen to describe this. It further glorifies Bardock. Bardock is evil! He always has been. And now he suddenly comes and saves some cute little aliens after seven minutes of time with them? The whole thing just seems very contrived.

It also shrinks the universe considerably. Even the idea from the Bardock Special, that Goku's father just happened to have some kind of special connection to Freeza, was pushing it a bit. But it kept credibility by maintaining that Bardock was absolutely nothing special. He was granted a gift curse, used it, and utterly failed. That was so thrilling for a DB story, and it fit for his character because, despite being our protagonist and somewhat sympathetic, he was still completely evil. So when he died, it did feel like the stuff of tragedy. But in this he didn't die, and he became the most important figure in Saiya-jin history? That's just ridiculous.

So to take it for what it is... fan-fiction used to sell card games, it's fun and mildly enjoyable. But that's about it.

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

I just got to see it. The story was kinda "meh", but it's still always nice to see new 2D animation for Dragon Ball. I loved the score. It's recycled music from The Plan To Eradicate The Super Saiyans, but still.

[samuraix123]

I'm Just going to think of this as a ''What IF'' story.
Because I like The first Special more (Bardock Dies) Better.

[Craddle]

I noticed that there is no English subs when watching the video. That's too bad but it looks like I will wait when the DVD ever comes out (If it has subs).

It wasn't meant to be viewed outside of Japan. So no subs.

I think the best release we will ever get in english localization will be rip of this special with fansubs......
Or Raging Blast 3 with SSJ Bardock and this movies as feature in the same fashion like Ragin Blast 2 had Hachihyaku?

Same thing I'm thinking.

Fansub is also available for this if anyone is interested. Google is your friend.

[samuraix123]

I would like to see another Animated video with pikkon. He's one of my favorite characters. But I don't ever see that happening.

Also I really hope this Special doesn't end up like Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans Remake. We need these on Disc's Not some stupid game.

[Craddle]

My mistake. Sorry. I didn't know the discussion was limited solely to SSJ1. I only read the one comment.

Yeah, it was only brought up because Bardock's tail is brown in the special, when some people think it should be blonde. GT only has the tail turn blonde at SS3, which might even be an error, because its only visible once. Other than that, any other blonde tails (SS or SS3) are only seen in promotional materials for GT, like some of the books.

Personally I like the tail being blonde, but I don't really care one way or the other how it is depicted in the official sense...I'll do whatever I want in fan works anyway. =P

I never really put much thought into it. I usually just take things for what they are. It would seem that the tail being blonde at any level of SS would make the most sense. I mean, their hair turns blonde, why not their fur too?

[Puto]

Well, for one thing because their fur is already differently-colored to their hair -- Hair is black and fur is brown.

[Perfect]

Aside from the mixed feelings of Bardock actually becoming SSJ, did anyone else enjoy the animation and the way it was articulated in that scene?

[Craddle]

Wow, this new entry into the series is going to be the cause of so much speculation. Is Bardock ever going to find the rest of the Saiyans? I guess he will, since they have to hear the "Legend of the Super Saiyan" somehow. Maybe he has kids with one of the proto-Saiyans, and starts his own family line, or maybe he's going to start Vegeta's family line. Chilled didn't transform in his fight with Bardock, maybe transformation is an evolutionary reaction to get stronger than the Legendary Super Saiyan. Or maybe when Episode of Bardock 2 rolls around, we'll find out that the whole thing was playing out in Bardock's head while he was dying in the Death Ball.

What the hell are you on about son? There's no "Episode of Bardock 2"; there are no other Saiyans around; the Saiyans heard the legend probably from the Freeza Clan or whatever, after all the legend had been around for a thousand years and many races seem to know about the existence of the Saiyans and some about the legend. The namekian Guru knew about it. Maybe Chilled didn't transform because he doesn't have a transformation. Why would Bardock start Vegeta's family line? Why would this be a dream? How specific of a dream had it to be for Bardock to be able to dream about turning Super Saiyan?

This does beg the question, could it be possible that Bardock was blasted so far back in time that he inadvertently created the Legend of the Super Saiya-jin? (It appears to me that's what this anime is hinting at.)

[TheDevilsCorpse]

This does beg the question, could it be possible that Bardock was blasted so far back in time that he inadvertently created the Legend of the Super Saiya-jin? (It appears to me that's what this anime is hinting at.)

Yes. Both the anime and the manga pretty much blatantly say that this is how the legend is created, and the Heroes website said Bardock was blasted 1,000 years into the past to face Chilled on one of their mission updates.

Bringing up this question is more than enough to say that Bardock was blasted into the past of an alternate timeline though. With the opening of this special, since it change's Freeza's reasons for destroying planet Vegeta, we have a problem. Bardock created the legend because Freeza was paranoid about a Super Saiyan and ended up blasting him into the past, but the legend shouldn't even exist until after those events cause the changes in the past, so Freeza shouldn't have the myth to be paranoid over in the first place, meaning Bardock wouldn't be sent into the past...blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, time travel in Dragon Ball splits the timelines in order to prevent paradoxes and such things like that... So either another Bardock was blasted into the past of that timeline and created the legend, or another Saiyan was the basis for it and set things in motion.