Do you think Vegeta actually loves Bulma?

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Do you think Vegeta actually loves Bulma?

Post by CaptainBallArms » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:37 am

I was just thinking about this yesterday.

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Re: Do you think vegeta actually loves Bulma?

Post by Gonstead » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:28 am

During the Cell Arc? Barely. It seemed more of a one night stand though he probably did start to care during the 7 year long peace because of Trunks and Future Trunks.

During the Buu Arc and beyond? He may not show it sometimes but he does care.

He was genuinely shocked when Goku told him that Bulma and everyone else had died due to Majin Buu and his reaction to Goku suggesting Bulma give a kiss to Old Kai to "persuade" him to turn the other cheek at certain matters was hilarious!
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Re: Do you think vegeta actually loves Bulma?

Post by DBZ Mick » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:32 am

I think he does during the Boo arc onwards. Like Gonstead said.
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Re: Do you think vegeta actually loves Bulma?

Post by Adamant » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:14 am

Gonstead wrote:his reaction to Goku suggesting Bulma give a kiss to Old Kai to "persuade" him to turn the other cheek at certain matters was hilarious!
I.. think you've been looking at some overly censored translation here. What Goku actually offered was to feel Bulma up.
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Post by Kaboom » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:47 am

The short answer is, "eventually."
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Re: Do you think vegeta actually loves Bulma?

Post by Gonstead » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:55 am

Adamant wrote:
Gonstead wrote:his reaction to Goku suggesting Bulma give a kiss to Old Kai to "persuade" him to turn the other cheek at certain matters was hilarious!
I.. think you've been looking at some overly censored translation here. What Goku actually offered was to feel Bulma up.
Meh, it's still offering Bulma to do something with the Old Kai for the sake of getting their way. It's the reaction which is the funniest part of it.
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Re: Do you think Vegeta actually loves Bulma?

Post by hleV » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:56 am

To an extent. There are more important things for him, though.

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Post by SylentEcho » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:11 pm

Goku says to Majin Vegeta, "You say you don't care and you've sold your soul, but you didn't sell your love for them." to which Vegeta changes his mind instantly and wants to kill Boo.

He obviously loves her and Trunks by the Boo arc. He knew he was dying and told Trunks that he had never held him since he was little and wanted to hug him. A guy like Vegeta can't fake those emotions. He'd never react like that unless he really cared.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:46 pm

In the Cell arc, definitely not. He didn't move a muscle to save Bulma and Trunks from #20's blast.

In the Boo arc, definitely. So much so that it was partly the reason he deliberately let himself be possessed by Bobbodi, to restore him to his former evil self and fight without inhibitions, as he'd hated how soft he'd become and denied Goku's claims that he still loved his family.
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Re: Do you think Vegeta actually loves Bulma?

Post by SpacePie8 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:09 am

I've wanted to know if they were ever married. Vegeta refers to Bulma as his woman numerous times, but not his wife? What has Bulma ever referred to him as? Manga, anime, what's the deal with this?
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:03 am

SpacePie8 wrote:I've wanted to know if they were ever married. Vegeta refers to Bulma as his woman numerous times, but not his wife? What has Bulma ever referred to him as? Manga, anime, what's the deal with this?
Back when future Trunks tells Goku that he's Bulma and Vegeta's son, he also mentions that they never married, as "you know what she's like". Later, when future Trunks berates Vegeta for not saving Bulma and Trunks, he refers to them as "his wife and son", contradicting his earlier statement that they never married, although you could argue that he was only saying this for impact (as "the woman you had a one-night stand with and your son" doesn't flow as well or pack the same punch).

And then, later in the Boo arc, when Vegeta finds out that Goku had offered to let the old Kaioshin feel up Bulma, he shouts at him that "She's my wife! Give him a picture of your own wife!" However, it still seems strange that Vegeta would marry a woman that he formerly denied all feelings for and desired to become evil again. You'd think that the order would go "admit love; get married", rather than the other way round. Again, though, it could just be for impact.

By the way, I'm quoting this all from Viz, so the original could be different.
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Post by SylentEcho » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:38 am

I guess the Japanese subs for the anime are a better source than Viz translations.

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Post by Gonstead » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:50 pm

We can only ask the question "How the hell did it happen?".
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:46 pm

Gonstead wrote:We can only ask the question "How the hell did it happen?".
I think that Bulma accused Yamcha of cheating and they had an argument which concluded in Bulma breaking up with him. Seeking solace and wanting revenge, she seduced Vegeta into having sex with her.
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Post by Eire » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:52 pm

I've always imagined that she literally raped him. Not that he tried to defend, but it was a surprise attack.

Vegeta and Bulma had enough time to get married between Trunks and Boo events. I have three theories that seems equally plausible: Bulma wanted it at some point so Vegeta agreed for more or less meaningless ritual. We don't know much about his attitude- primary because Sayians' mating rituals were never presented and we don't know how much of their traditions he knows and practices. He might want it from some reason- after he was shocked by Bulma declaration about being attractive woman he could be a bit prudish or fro Trunks' sake.
Or they become a couple while never having any proper ceremony. I see many couples who refer to their partners as spouses and everyone thinks about them like this, but from some reason they were never married by law or religion ceremony.
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Post by Silver Sinspawn » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:09 am

Vegeta loves that Bulma can produce healthy fighting males to keep the Saiyan race alive
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Post by SpacePie8 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:11 am

Silver Sinspawn wrote:Vegeta loves that Bulma can produce healthy fighting males to keep the Saiyan race alive
Vegeta didn't care about keeping the Saiyan race alive. He didn't think a halfling could ever compare to a purebred.
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Post by Gonstead » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:40 am

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Silver Sinspawn wrote:Vegeta loves that Bulma can produce healthy fighting males to keep the Saiyan race alive
Vegeta didn't care about keeping the Saiyan race alive. He didn't think a halfling could ever compare to a purebred.
But he did comment earlier in the Saiyan Saga that apparently when you mix Saiyan and Human blood, it produces a new type of Saiyan with high power level and to which Nappa comments jokingly about a Super Saiyan.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:00 pm

However, when Dodoria revealed to Vegeta the truth about the Saiyans' destruction, Vegeta himself said that he couldn't care less about the Saiyans, and nothing suggests that he was lying, since we know he's a narcissistic bastard even among Saiyans. When Nappa suggested bringing Raditz back to life with the DBs, Vegeta replied that they were better off without him and that they should wish for immortality instead.

Not to mention that when they were on their way to Earth, when Nappa suggested that they should breed with the Earthlings to create a new Saiyan empire (after talking about Gohan and the damage he'd inflicted on Raditz), Vegeta said that he didn't want a bunch of kids running around with powers greater than theirs.

So he knows how powerful Saiyan-Earthling hybrids can be, but he doesn't care about any Saiyans but himself and doesn't want them to be stronger than him.
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:53 pm

Vegeta was on that lean, then saw a woman and knocked her up, it just so happened to be wanty, needy Bulma.
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