The controversy about Gohan Angers and Spirit vs Spirit

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Many BF haters pan this song due to it being less emotional then Kenji Yamamoto's Unmei no Hi-Tamashii tai Tamashii, but it is actually fitting. If you get what the songs trying to get to you, it's that Gohan has lost all control and after he is transforming it shows his rage due to Cell's action hence why the song is called Gohan Angers. It actually more fitting then the Japanese imo(please don't kill me) because the Japanese song by Yamamoto is less agressive sounding yet Gohan is releasing his power. Cell even comments: You cannot beat me by powering up(In the English dub Cell says don't think you can beat me just by powering up) which shows that Gohan is releasing his power out of anger. What do YOU think about Gohans Anger in comparison to said song with long name? (Yes the song is a Kenji Yamamoto song before you ask.)

[Gonstead]

Honestly, I find Spirit vs Spirit highly overrated.

Very generic J-Pop/J-Rock song if you ask me. One that you would no doubt find in about every other Anime there was being produced at the time, barring some here and there for the sake of diversity.

As for Gohan Angers, there's two versions of that track but it's best of you combined them together like in this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2PmJLtZXW8

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Honestly, I find Spirit vs Spirit highly overrated.

Very generic J-Pop/J-Rock song if you ask me. One that you would no doubt find in about every other Anime there was being produced at the time, barring some here and there for the sake of diversity.

As for Gohan Angers, there's two versions of that track but it's best of you combined them together like in this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2PmJLtZXW8

I agree but I do like Spirit vs Spirit because I grew up with it and it has some nostalgic feelings to me(I also grew up with Bruce Faulconer's soundtrack as well. If you're wondering you're right I'm Japanese. But my Japanese language skills are worn out, so don't ask me any hard Japanese sentences because I won't know.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Um, Gohan Angers isn't even used in the same scene as Spirit vs. Spirit. Gohan Angers was used in the very next episode (185) when Gohan's screaming again.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Um, Gohan Angers isn't even used in the same scene as Spirit vs. Spirit. Gohan Angers was used in the very next episode (185) when Gohan's screaming again.

Just saying, it still get bashed though.

[Zarathustra]

Gohan Angers is a better song, but the scene was done better in the original dub.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Um, Gohan Angers isn't even used in the same scene as Spirit vs. Spirit. Gohan Angers was used in the very next episode (185) when Gohan's screaming again.

Just saying, it still get bashed though.

Really? I have never heard anyone criticize this piece. I see people giving the 'Hyperbolic Time Chamber' crap for its usage during the transformation sequence in 184.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Um, Gohan Angers isn't even used in the same scene as Spirit vs. Spirit. Gohan Angers was used in the very next episode (185) when Gohan's screaming again.

Just saying, it still get bashed though.

Really? I have never heard anyone criticize this piece. I see people giving the 'Hyperbolic Time Chamber' crap for its usage during the transformation sequence in 184.

Go on Gohan SSJ2 Japanese theme on Youtube and then you'll know what I mean.

[MCDaveG]

I also think this song is overrated. I never liked (and never will) Japanese pop and first time I saw it, I was pissed that it isn't Kikuchi's BGM like when Goku first transformed. I kinda accepted it later, but only as a part of the original series but I'm not like OMFG SPIRIT VS SPIRIT awesomeness. Kinda liked what US dub did on the track with the original score, but Gohan's monologue ruined it afterwards

[Gonstead]

Take out the monologue, play Gohan Angers over where Spirit vs Spirit would be in the English dub and I'd say we would have a pretty good result.

I actually might try that. I'll post the result if I do complete it.

[ThunderPX]

^ I'm not sure how possible that is, given that the monologue overlaps with the actual transformation scream.

[Gonstead]

^ I'm not sure how possible that is, given that the monologue overlaps with the actual transformation scream.

Only by a tiny bit and it's not even that intrusive to the scream when you play music over it.

EDIT: Here it is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUu7OCRQOfs

I'm no expert in editing so it's the best I could do.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I also think this song is overrated. I never liked (and never will) Japanese pop and first time I saw it, I was pissed that it isn't Kikuchi's BGM like when Goku first transformed. I kinda accepted it later, but only as a part of the original series but I'm not like OMFG SPIRIT VS SPIRIT awesomeness. Kinda liked what US dub did on the track with the original score, but Gohan's monologue ruined it afterwards

Yeah, that monologue was stupid, unnecessary and redundant but the score in the next episode is more fitting then Kenji Yamamoto's said J-Pop song.

[AgitoZ]

Yeah, that monologue was stupid, unnecessary and redundant but the score in the next episode is more fitting then Kenji Yamamoto's said J-Pop song.

Not really.

It's a decent song, I guess (a little boring and underwhelming if you ask me), but it shares the problem with plenty if not all the tracks of the replacement score. It just doesn't fit.

Unmei no Hi on the other hand, albeit with lyrics that are a bit over top, really brings that scene together. Starting out it slow, then adding Kageyama's vocals, then building and building, and....BAM. It really makes you believe Gohan just might be able to fulfill #16's final wish.

Also, I don't if it's just me, but when I think of a generic J-Pop song I think of Kai's second ending, not Unmei no Hi.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Yeah, that monologue was stupid, unnecessary and redundant but the score in the next episode is more fitting then Kenji Yamamoto's said J-Pop song.

Not really.

It's a decent song, I guess (a little boring and underwhelming if you ask me), but it shares the problem with plenty if not all the tracks of the replacement score. It just doesn't fit.

Unmei no Hi on the other hand, albeit with lyrics that are a bit over top, really brings that scene together. Starting out it slow, then adding Kageyama's vocals, then building and building, and....BAM. It really makes you believe Gohan just might be able to fulfill #16's final wish.

Also, I don't if it's just me, but when I think of a generic J-Pop song I think of Kai's second ending, not Unmei no Hi.

IMO Gohan Angers fits because it shows the anger built up in Gohan and it shows that he's mad at Cell! Unmei no Hi is a happy song which doesn't fit, but is good on its own.

[VegettoEX]

How is "Unmei no Hi" a "happy" song? I don't get that vibe from it at all. Have you looked at its lyrics? The song embodies shonen determination in every way, albeit with a different tone than the standard JAM Project song. I get "hopeful sadness" from the song, personally.

I'm on board with the "how on earth do you think this is what generic J-Pop sounds like?" viewpoint, too. Even for the time, that's not what "generic J-Pop" sounded like. That sounds to me like someone just looking for an easy way to dismiss it outright without having to back up how they feel, the same way "Ugh, it's so anime!" gets tossed around with regard to certain video game plots these days.

I don't really care if you like the song, like some other song better, or think you could poop out a better whistle tune to go along with it. Quite frankly, I'm more confused about why someone who's parading around calling themselves "unbiased" is creating so many moderately-antagonistic "versus" discussions regarding the production of the show.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

How is "Unmei no Hi" a "happy" song? I don't get that vibe from it at all. Have you looked at its lyrics? The song embodies shonen determination in every way, albeit with a different tone than the standard JAM Project song. I get "hopeful sadness" from the song, personally.

I'm on board with the "how on earth do you think this is what generic J-Pop sounds like?" viewpoint, too. Even for the time, that's not what "generic J-Pop" sounded like. That sounds to me like someone just looking for an easy way to dismiss it outright without having to back up how they feel, the same way "Ugh, it's so anime!" gets tossed around with regard to certain video game plots these days.

I don't really care if you like the song, like some other song better, or think you could poop out a better whistle tune to go along with it. Quite frankly, I'm more confused about why someone who's parading around calling themselves "unbiased" is creating so many moderately-antagonistic "versus" discussions regarding the production of the show.

I don't hate it, its a good song, I just don't think it fits as much as Gohan Angers is more fitting because Gohan is in a rage, yet Spirit vs Spirit is a song that sounds to pure sounding, too I'm not angry that Cell is doing these bad things. And of course I'm unbiased I respect all controversial versions of Dragon Ball especially the Japanese version as I grew up with that as a kid as I did with the 2 other controversial versions are also special to me also. Just saying why would I defeat the purpose of my name?

[Rukura]

I'm also more at a loss as to what "controversy" you think you mean.

Dear Mr."Unbiased"DBZfan, there was never any controversy about 'Gohan Angers vs Day of the Promess - Spirit vs Spirit'. Those two pieces are as related as Cha-La and the american Super Saiyan 3 theme.
The only thing you have is Subs vs Dubs, and from there you get a very predictable mix bag of the fans of the japanese, fans of the american and the few that like both. The way I'm reading into it, it seems more like you're the one wanting to start these "discussions" about "controversial" topics...that don't really exist. You do know that this isn't really the place for that, right?

As to you being "unbiased":

I don't hate it, its a good song, I just don't think it fits as much as Gohan Angers is more fitting because Gohan is in a rage

Opinion

Spirit vs Spirit is a song that sounds to pure sounding, too I'm not angry that Cell is doing these bad things.

Opinion

And of course I'm unbiased

Have I mentioned the fact that when you state your opinion, you're being biased? You see, when you say "I think", "I like", "Sounds like", you're doing so based on your own personal likes, tastes and experiences...and thus, being biased. Are you familiar with the what the term actually means?

I respect all controversial versions of Dragon Ball

There. Is. Nothing.

Just saying why would I defeat the purpose of my name?

Because you don't seem to really know what it means....

PS: I do apologize, since the message wasn't meant for me...but I'm a little alergic to blatant contradictions.

[AgitoZ]

I don't hate it, its a good song, I just don't think it fits as much as Gohan Angers is more fitting because Gohan is in a rage, yet Spirit vs Spirit is a song that sounds to pure sounding, too I'm not angry that Cell is doing these bad things.

Again, have you looked at the lyrics? Second, that's not the entire point of the scene. Yes, Gohan is angry. But he's also scared, confused, and a variety of other emotions. The scene marks where he lets it all out. He doesn't just want/have to defeat Cell, he also wants to protect his friends and his home planet.

Hell, it's that same anger that leads to more people dying.

And of course I'm unbiased I respect all controversial versions of Dragon Ball especially the Japanese version as I grew up with that as a kid as I did with the 2 other controversial versions are also special to me also. Just saying why would I defeat the purpose of my name?

...I respect all controversial versions of Dragon Ball especially the Japanese version as I grew up with that as a kid as I did with the 2 other controversial versions are also special to me also.

PS: What the hell are controversial versions?

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I'm also more at a loss as to what "controversy" you think you mean.

Dear Mr."Unbiased"DBZfan, there was never any controversy about 'Gohan Angers vs Day of the Promess - Spirit vs Spirit'. Those two pieces are as related as Cha-La and the american Super Saiyan 3 theme.
The only thing you have is Subs vs Dubs, and from there you get a very predictable mix bag of the fans of the japanese, fans of the american and the few that like both. The way I'm reading into it, it seems more like you're the one wanting to start these "discussions" about "controversial" topics...that don't really exist. You do know that this isn't really the place for that, right?

As to you being "unbiased":

I don't hate it, its a good song, I just don't think it fits as much as Gohan Angers is more fitting because Gohan is in a rage

Opinion

Spirit vs Spirit is a song that sounds to pure sounding, too I'm not angry that Cell is doing these bad things.

Opinion

And of course I'm unbiased

Have I mentioned the fact that when you state your opinion, you're being biased? You see, when you say "I think", "I like", "Sounds like", you're doing so based on your own personal likes, tastes and experiences...and thus, being biased. Are you familiar with the what the term actually means?

I respect all controversial versions of Dragon Ball

There. Is. Nothing.

Just saying why would I defeat the purpose of my name?

Because you don't seem to really know what it means....

PS: I do apologize, since the message wasn't meant for me...but I'm a little alergic to blatant contradictions.

I mean go to Gohan Japanese SSJ2 Theme on Youtube and that is what I mean by controversial. I ain't lying proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD9OtJqog08

I don't intend on trolling the forum, I ain't a troll. And no I didn't know that. I thought bias meant being against something I.E 054martinm failconer's techno, rock bs destroyed the english dbz dub with never ending ending music and unfitting choices. I.E Goku turning SSJ. I.E where example is hating on faulconer and only saying bad thing about him, never being fair and all.