Episode of Bardock: Giant On-Going Manga + Anime Discussion

[Craddle]

Ah, I never read the Heroes website where it actually states that.

Whenever you add time travel to any equation it starts to get very tricky with alternate timelines, paradoxes, ect.

New Special! Dragon Ball Z: Back to the Future featuring Doc Brown.

[Saiga]

My explanation: Different methods of time travel work differently. So Bardock's time travel worked differently than Trunks' time travel.

[Gozar]

To me, trying to make sense of the Time Travel events of Episode of Bardock is like trying to make sense of certain GT events with Manga universe logic. It just doesn't work. I view EoB the same way I view GT and most of the Movies. A really fun watch on its own. But ultimately an entirely separate universe from Toriyama's world and not to be intertwined.

[Craddle]

To me, trying to make sense of the Time Travel events of Episode of Bardock is like trying to make sense of certain GT events with Manga universe logic. It just doesn't work. I view EoB the same way I view GT and most of the Movies. A really fun watch on its own. But ultimately an entirely separate universe from Toriyama's world and not to be intertwined.

Gozar and I agree? Whoa, stop the presses!

I couldn't agree more. Though it's fun to discuss, it really was never meant to be.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

That reaction shot is something right out of a Looney Toons... and didn't fit the tone of Dragon Ball Z, or specifically the tone set by the Bardock TV special, which this is a huge contrast to.

What!? How can you say that kind of a reaction dosen't fit into DBZ?

Sure, the original Bardock TV special didn't have crazy reaction shots, but that special had more of a serious tone. This plays out like a direct sequel and has it's own feel to it. The story and feel are just going into a totally different direction. Just look at the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movie back in the 90's. It had a serious tone, but all other sequels after it were more light hearted and kid friendly.

Also, I think a lot of people, including myself grew up or at least have known for all their fandom the story of Bardock. His character was established in that TV special all those years ago and those traits and feelings displayed in that TV special is how we view him. Lonely, violent, brutal, angry. Those are some of the things I think of when I think of Bardock because well, this is how he was established in the TV special. So now years later, it might be hard to view him any other way.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

You guys should know how time travel works in the Dragon World, the only difference here is that Bardock was just blasted back without a time machine. And since Bardock is on planet plant and is a Super Saiya-jin, where does the legend come from? It appears to me that Dragon Ball SSSS is going to end up as an alternate universe to the Dragon World.

Basically what I said on youtube, an alternate universe of Dragon Ball.

But if Bardock was sent back as true time travel than boy wouldn't Vegeta be pissed ^O^

I'm kinda surprised they didn't use one of Vegeta's family members as the basis of the SSJ legend.

[Metalwario64]

That reaction shot is something right out of a Looney Toons... and didn't fit the tone of Dragon Ball Z, or specifically the tone set by the Bardock TV special, which this is a huge contrast to.

What!? How can you say that kind of a reaction dosen't fit into DBZ?

Yeah, I just meant specifically the Bardock Special, which is why I elaborated on what I meant by "the tone of Dragon Ball Z", because the Bardock Special is a Dragon Ball Z special.

Crazy reactions are okay during lighthearted moments (which as you've shown, Z has plenty). I just don't think Bardock and silly reaction shots should ever be used together.

[MCDaveG]

I'm kinda surprised they didn't use one of Vegeta's family members as the basis of the SSJ legend.

Shueisha/TOEI..... because they don't look like Goku + Bardock was most popular fanfiction SSJ and claimed to appear as SSJ in AF

[AceSharp]

Edit: Sorry, phone posted twice.

[AceSharp]

On another note...

I guess this completely and utterly contradicts the Dragonball Online storyline, seeing as Bardock can't be saved from death if he's been blasted 1000 years into the past...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

On another note...

I guess this completely and utterly contradicts the Dragonball Online storyline, seeing as Bardock can't be saved from death if he's been blasted 1000 years into the past...

DBO's Bardock comes from an alterative universe, probably from the same alternative universe that our character and the Time Breakers often travel.

Also, could anyone please PM me subs for the special? I search through Google, but I only find the YouTube attached subs.

[samuraix123]

On another note...

I guess this completely and utterly contradicts the Dragonball Online storyline, seeing as Bardock can't be saved from death if he's been blasted 1000 years into the past...

DBO's Bardock comes from an alterative universe, probably from the same alternative universe that our character and the Time Breakers often travel.

Also, could anyone please PM me subs for the special? I search through Google, but I only find the YouTube attached subs.

Same. I've been checking all morning and haven't found Jack.

Edit- Are we ever going to go back to the way Dragonball used to be animated? like this,


I'm not trying to knock the way they animate the Movie's now. But I prefer the old style.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

Probably not, but I kinda don't mind the new animation personally..

[VegettoEX]

Are we ever going to go back to comparatively-expensive, physical, cel-animated drawings for shoddy franchise stuff like DB? Likely not .

[Daimo-Rukiri]

Are we ever going to go back to comparatively-expensive, physical, cel-animated drawings for shoddy franchise stuff like DB? Likely not .

He's right, dragon ball isn't the new guy in town anymore. And cell animation today is bloody expensive! I've looked into it for animation scenes for my fan game, not worth it for a budget of $50,000...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't mind the modern animation, but it wouldn't kill them to try to match the source material a little better. The modern art style has strayed from what Toriyama did during the series' run. They could use some more curves to the lines or something to help give depth, everything feels kinda flat right now, even with the shading.

[Makaioshin]

Bardock grabbing Chilled and just smashing him to the ground made the special watchable for me. I can't say I care too much for it otherwise. The animation is nice, the voice acting is great, and the music is decent but the story itself is just uninteresting.

[Saimaroimaru]

That meele smackdown Bardock did on Chilled was the best part. Also, it would be ironic if Bardock is the progenitor of the Saiyan race.

[kei17]

Are we ever going to go back to comparatively-expensive, physical, cel-animated drawings for shoddy franchise stuff like DB? Likely not .

I think he's rahter talking about the drawing style than the production process. And personally I do agree with him. As I said billions of times here before, I strongly dislike Yamamuro's current style, which is not capturing Toriyama's styles in any era at all, and looks more like some fan art.

[samuraix123]

Yup I have not a clue about ''production process'' I just wan't to see the old style of Animation. Because I don't care a-lot about the new stuff, it looks Gummy? lol But I kinda like it, But I just prefer the old style better. But I'm glad to see people agreeing with me