I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

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I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by GreggMays64 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:29 pm

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Dai Booshin (Good)
Dai Booshin (Evil)
Super Boo
Bootenks
Boocollo
Boohan
South Booshin
Kid Boo

Majin Boo is by far one of the most confusing villains. For example, like how Super Boo became Kid Boo instead of Dai Booshin (Evil). Here I will try and see just how I cracked this mystery.

So when South Booshin absorbed the Dai Kaioshin, he became Dai Booshin. As Dai Booshin, Majin Boo developed a second personality, which is why there are two Majin Boos. The original evil one rest within Dai Booshin while the new good one is in complete control over Dai Booshin. The gray Majin Boo is a secondary form for Dai Booshin. Since the good Majin Boo uses the fat Majin Boo, the evil one uses the gray skinny Majin Boo. The gray Majin Boo is incomplete, he isn't crazy like Kid Boo because Majin Boo usually gets tamed by absorptions. He becomes more human. That's just how the personality of the original personality Majin Boo turned out.

Now when Dai Booshin (Evil) became Super Boo, he got his body back, or atleast formed the same kind. He also had his strength back. Kid Boo is base form Majin Boo with no absorptions, Super Boo is base form Majin Boo WITH absorptions. Since Dai Booshin (Good) is a Majin Boo, he could be used as if he were apart of Super Boo. He is like a stock of absorptions for Super Boo to use. It's because of Dai Booshin (Good) with the two absorbed Kaioshins that he isn't Kid boo. What Super Boo is to Kid Boo is what Bebi's third form is to Bebi's second form.

The reason one Super Boo became Kid Boo is because Super Boo only needed Dai Booshin (Good) to form him the same kind of body he had. The fact that Dai Booshin (Good) had two absorbed warriors is what made Kid Boo into Super Boo. As for how Super Boo became South Booshin, either A it's not South Booshin, or B his body remembers how that form, which is why he was in there for a very short amount of time.

In conclusion, Kid Boo is base form Majin Boo. Super Boo is base form Majin Boo with absorptions. Majin Boo developing a second personality is what made two different Majin Boos. Dai Booshin (Good) is almost a sack of two absorptions, which is why Majin Boo is Super Boo and not Kid Boo. Dai Booshin (Good) was only good for giving the original evil Majin Boo the same kind of body he had before getting expelled, and being Super Boo rather than Kid Boo.

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Fox666 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:12 pm

Just to point out the proper names according to the manga and guidebooks:

Innocent Majin Boo (Good Majin Boo after the split)
Pure Evil Majin Boo
Evil Majin Boo
Gotenks and Piccolo-absorbed Evil Majin Boo
Piccolo, Trunks and Goten-absorbed Evil Majin Boo
Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten-absorbed Evil Majin Boo
South Kaioshin-absorbed Pure Majin Boo
Pure Majin Boo



The manga is quite confusing with Majin Boo as Dragon Ball typically doesn't provide deep information regarding "magical" things.

As far we know the wacky Pure Evil Boo was created by the evil inside the fat Innocent Boo and also has the inverse shape of him, and after he absorbed the good portion of the Innocent Boo he became the Evil Boo. Which interestingly seems to maintain his "identity" as the same fat Innocent Majin Boo from before, perhaps because he is the combination of the same parts of before, even if arranged differently?

For an unknow reason some "essence" was taken away from the Evil Boo when the Innocent/Good Boo was taken from him, and he also lost his very "identity" as he transformed in Pure Boo.

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by FNF » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:53 am

GreggMays64 wrote:Dai Booshin (Good) was only good for giving the original evil Majin Boo the same kind of body he had before getting expelled
Mr Buu is stated to have made Boo far better than Fat Buu in all areas inc power;

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by GreggMays64 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:07 am

FNF wrote:
GreggMays64 wrote:Dai Booshin (Good) was only good for giving the original evil Majin Boo the same kind of body he had before getting expelled
Mr Buu is stated to have made Boo far better than Fat Buu in all areas inc power;

“It’s not just his appearance…Everything about him is definitely greater than before…”
I actually meant the body he originally had. The same kind of pink bubble gum body, as opposed to that gray thing. The gray thing that the evil one use was formed from within his original body. By eating Dai Booshin (Good), he had the same type of body again, and reverted back to the default base form. Dai Booshin (Good) for Super Boo is like two sacks of absorbed warriors South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin.

Like I said, I see Super Boo being the result of Majin Boo reverting back to his base form after absorbing people. He won't become Kid Boo, he will become Super Boo. So Super Boo isn't exactly Dai Booshin (Good) absorbed, it's after having two Kaioshins absorbed, and reverting back to his base form. Dai Booshin (Good) since he's a Majin Boo is still able to play an influence on Super Boo. They kind of became one again.

The reason I said Dai Booshin (Good) was good for that, as well as the form we see is because he doesn't need him to keep his body. Just the adult form.

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by SylentEcho » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:13 pm

I'm mixed up with these official names because I always made up my own names for them.

Which one's are these now?

Pure Evil Majin Boo
Evil Majin Boo
South Kaioshin-absorbed Pure Majin Boo
Pure Majin Boo

Could someone please help me with pictures of them?

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:23 pm

SylentEcho wrote:I'm mixed up with these official names because I always made up my own names for them.
Could someone please help me with pictures of them?
I don't think there is need for pictures...
- "Pure Evil" Majin Buu is the skinny gray one that forms after Mr. Satan gets shot. He fights with and then manages to absorb the fat "Good" Majin Buu that spawned him by purging his evil. "Good" Buu later becomes known as Mr. Buu and hangs around with Mr. Satan after the Buu Arc.
- "Evil" Majin Buu is what most people commonly refer to as "Super" Buu. He's the Buu that forms after the two Buus mentioned above merge, and goes on to battle Ultimate Gohan and then absorb Piccolo and Gotenks.
- "South Kaioshin-absorbed" Majin Buu is what every one normally describes as the "Buff" Buu. He looks like he was on steroids and is seen briefly before transforming into "Pure" Buu once Goku and Vegeta remove everyone that was absorbed by the "Evil" Majin Buu. He also battled Dai Kaioshin in the past and was the Buu who absorbed the fat god, resulting in "Innocent" Majin Buu aka the initial "Fat" Buu.
- "Pure" Majin Buu is the tiny, child sized Buu that Goku and Vegeta have their final battle with on the Kaioshin Kai. He's most commonly reffered to as "Kid" Buu by the fandom...

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:09 pm

OK, here are all of Βοο's and Oob's forms and appearances through the franchise:


From the manga/anime:

Majin Boo (Egg)
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Majin Boo (Innocent/Good)
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Majin Boo (Pure Evil)
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Majin Boo (Evil)
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Majin Boo (Evil - Gotenks & Piccolo absorbed)
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Majin Boo (Evil - Piccolo,Goten & Trunks absorbed)
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Majin Boo (Evil - Gohan, Piccolo, Goten & Trunks absorbed)
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Majin Boo (Evil - Gohan, Piccolo, Goten & Trunks absorbed - topless)
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Majin Boo (Evil - Piccolo absorbed)
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Majin Boo (Pure - South Kaioshin absorbed)
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Majin Boo (Pure)
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Oob
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From Neko Majin:

Oob (Training)
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From GT:

Oob (Teen)
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Oob (Merged)
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Oob (Papayaman)
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From Budokai 2:

Majin Boo (Evil - Tenshinhan & Yamcha absorbed)
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Majin Boo (Evil - Freeza absorbed)
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Majin Boo (Evil - Cell absorbed)
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Majin Boo (Evil - Vegeta absorbed)
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From Shin Budokai 2:

Majin Boo (Evil - Final Form Coola & LSSJ Broli absorbed)
He didn't change, just got stronger

Majin Boo (Evil - Babidi absorbed)
Splited into multiple Boo clones, the clones were based to Majin Boo (Evil), Majin Boo (Evil - Gotenks absorbed) & Majin Boo (Evil - Gohan absorbed)

Majin Boo (Super Pure)
Formed after the Boo clones merged into one body. His appearance was the same as normal Majin Boo (Pure), but was stronger due to Coola, Broli & Babidi inside him


From DBO:

Boobi
Unseen, a female version of Majin Boo (Good)
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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Saiga » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:12 pm

It would appear that once he starts absorbing people, his antennae reflects his strength somewhat.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:19 am

Saiga wrote:It would appear that once he starts absorbing people, his antennae reflects his strength somewhat.
Yeah. You know, I originally thought that his antennae only grew that long because of SSj3 Gotenks, who had long hair, was inside him. But then I saw that Boo still retained the long antennae even after Gotenks had defused within him and he'd absorbed Gohan.
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Post by SylentEcho » Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:47 pm

Thanks a lot for the pics man. Really helped out.

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Tyro » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:28 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Majin Boo (Pure - South Kaioshin absorbed)
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I know the names are confusing, but just for the record I'm using the same names given in DBZGTKOSDH's post for the various Boo forms.

I've always found it very peculiar that South Kaio-shin, although stated to be the strongest of the Kaio-shins at the time, could increase Pure Boo's power so exponentially that he'd surpass Evil Boo's power who is often considered to be much stronger than Pure Boo.

Someone, somewhere, once brought up the idea that when Evil Boo was reverting to Pure Boo and he passed through the "South Kaio-shin-absorbed" transformation, that it was possible that this wasn't simply us literally seeing Pure Boo (Southern Kaio-shin-absorbed), but that when Mr. Boo was ripped from Evil Boo's being, somehow the Southern Lord's power momentarily powered up Evil Boo, who took on a very similar appearance to when he initially absorbed the Southern Kaio-shin as Pure Boo, only to have that power vanish a few moments later (it helps to think of turning on a hose and then quickly turning it off: the water still has to run its course and exit the hose even though the water was only on for a moment) when he finally stops transforming, and returned to being the original Pure Boo.

I think this is reasonable to assume. Kaio-shin noted that this buff looking Majin Boo looked exactly like the one after the Southern Lord was absorbed by Pure Boo. Look at how similar Pure Boo and Evil Boo appear. Height is the main difference, and with the Southern Kaio-shin's body "stretching" Pure Boo's body the way it did, it's not unreasonable to believe that it would also have an effect on Evil Boo's body.

So IMO Evil Boo (SK-absorbed) =/= Pure Boo (SK-absorbed). They just look the same.

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Post by bizness86 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:43 am

Tyro wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Majin Boo (Pure - South Kaioshin absorbed)
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I know the names are confusing, but just for the record I'm using the same names given in DBZGTKOSDH's post for the various Boo forms.

I've always found it very peculiar that South Kaio-shin, although stated to be the strongest of the Kaio-shins at the time, could increase Pure Boo's power so exponentially that he'd surpass Evil Boo's power who is often considered to be much stronger than Pure Boo.

Someone, somewhere, once brought up the idea that when Evil Boo was reverting to Pure Boo and he passed through the "South Kaio-shin-absorbed" transformation, that it was possible that this wasn't simply us literally seeing Pure Boo (Southern Kaio-shin-absorbed), but that when Mr. Boo was ripped from Evil Boo's being, somehow the Southern Lord's power momentarily powered up Evil Boo, who took on a very similar appearance to when he initially absorbed the Southern Kaio-shin as Pure Boo, only to have that power vanish a few moments later (it helps to think of turning on a hose and then quickly turning it off: the water still has to run its course and exit the hose even though the water was only on for a moment) when he finally stops transforming, and returned to being the original Pure Boo.

I think this is reasonable to assume. Kaio-shin noted that this buff looking Majin Boo looked exactly like the one after the Southern Lord was absorbed by Pure Boo. Look at how similar Pure Boo and Evil Boo appear. Height is the main difference, and with the Southern Kaio-shin's body "stretching" Pure Boo's body the way it did, it's not unreasonable to believe that it would also have an effect on Evil Boo's body.

So IMO Evil Boo (SK-absorbed) =/= Pure Boo (SK-absorbed). They just look the same.
I've often assumed similar.

As far as I conceived, Evil Boo and Pure Boo were different entities, or at least different personae; Evil Boo was losing his own presence (and power) as he regressed, whilst Pure Boo's power and personality was emerging. Their resulting sum of powers seemed to one rising power from a bird's-eye view.

Pure Boo < Pure Boo (Southkaio) < Evil Boo < Evil Boo (Regression)

imo.

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Hitiro » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:44 am

Personally I feel that Pure Evil Boo absorbed Innocent Boo to get back some of the power that was originally the Pure Boo's, this formed Evil Boo but Dai Kaioshin, who existed in Innocent Boo, was still weakening Evil Boo. After Innocent Boo was removed, Evil Boo, who had Innocent Boo inside him reclaimed that lost portion of power that Pure Evil Boo didn't have which is why he changed to Pure Boo instead of Pure Evil Boo. A lot of people will argue with me but I think that Pure Boo is the most powerful Boo with exception of Evil Boo with people absorbed.

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Fox666 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:54 pm

bizness86 wrote:I've often assumed similar.

As far as I conceived, Evil Boo and Pure Boo were different entities, or at least different personae; Evil Boo was losing his own presence (and power) as he regressed, whilst Pure Boo's power and personality was emerging. Their resulting sum of powers seemed to one rising power from a bird's-eye view.

Pure Boo < Pure Boo (Southkaio) < Evil Boo < Evil Boo (Regression)

imo.
You could just assume the absorption does not equal to the sum of the powers.

During the battle with Gohan, Evil Boo told Gohan that merging with Goku would not help them. Since Evil Boo had all of Piccolo's knowledge, we can speculate that his absorption is at least as good as the metamorian fusion.

Or you could just think that the fusion material of Pure Boo and South Kaioshin as a whole is better than Good Boo and Pure Evil Boo, even if South Kaioshin is not very strong.

Majin Boo (Good): 20
Majin Boo (Pure Evil): 30
Majin Boo (Evil): 600²

Majin Boo (Pure): 100
South Kaioshin: 10
Majin Boo (South-Kaioshin absorbed): 1,000²

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Post by bizness86 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:28 pm

Fox666 wrote:
bizness86 wrote:I've often assumed similar.

As far as I conceived, Evil Boo and Pure Boo were different entities, or at least different personae; Evil Boo was losing his own presence (and power) as he regressed, whilst Pure Boo's power and personality was emerging. Their resulting sum of powers seemed to one rising power from a bird's-eye view.

Pure Boo < Pure Boo (Southkaio) < Evil Boo < Evil Boo (Regression)

imo.
You could just assume the absorption does not equal to the sum of the powers.

During the battle with Gohan, Evil Boo told Gohan that merging with Goku would not help them. Since Evil Boo had all of Piccolo's knowledge, we can speculate that his absorption is at least as good as the metamorian fusion.

Or you could just think that the fusion material of Pure Boo and South Kaioshin as a whole is better than Good Boo and Pure Evil Boo, even if South Kaioshin is not very strong.

Majin Boo (Good): 20
Majin Boo (Pure Evil): 30
Majin Boo (Evil): 600²

Majin Boo (Pure): 100
South Kaioshin: 10
Majin Boo (South-Kaioshin absorbed): 1,000²
Eh; I would, more or less, accept that with Evil Boo's creation; iirc, he states that his absorption of Good Boo was different, or maybe he was just saying that he didn't eat him. My only concern would be Evil Buu's absorptions. He absorbs Gotenks, so by multiplication Gohan should even be alive, unless Boo was playing with him to that extent, or Gohan was just hella more powerful that both Boo and Gotenks. Even then, I would whether with Boo (Piccolo, Trunks, Goten) would have been multiplied.

Although, I do agree that EvilB Boo's power increased substantially, especially if he is able to rival Gotenks, up until SSJ3.

I think your way is simpler. I like my way though... :P

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Post by Senzu_Bean » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:18 am

Hitiro wrote:Personally I feel that Pure Evil Boo absorbed Innocent Boo to get back some of the power that was originally the Pure Boo's, this formed Evil Boo but Dai Kaioshin, who existed in Innocent Boo, was still weakening Evil Boo. After Innocent Boo was removed, Evil Boo, who had Innocent Boo inside him reclaimed that lost portion of power that Pure Evil Boo didn't have which is why he changed to Pure Boo instead of Pure Evil Boo. A lot of people will argue with me but I think that Pure Boo is the most powerful Boo with exception of Evil Boo with people absorbed.
I like that way of thinking and I agree. Perhaps something like this?

Pure Majin Boo: 100 (0% evil suppressed)

Pure Majin Boo South Kaioshin absorbed : 150 (0% evil suppressed)

Innocent Majin Boo: 60 (60% evil suppressed = Pure Evil Majin Boo)

Evil Majin Boo: 90 (40% evil suppressed = Good Majin Boo)

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Metalwario64 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:52 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Majin Boo (Evil - Gohan, Piccolo, Goten & Trunks absorbed - topless)
Are you seriously considering him ripping his shirt off a new form?... :?
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"forms and appearances"

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Metalwario64 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Majin Boo (Evil - Gohan, Piccolo, Goten & Trunks absorbed - topless)
Are you seriously considering him ripping his shirt off a new form?... :?
Everyone knows that when guys rip their shirts off, they instantly buff up, release more of their power and harden their nipples for the ladies, adding an even million to their battle power. Except Boo's nipples are invisible to the naked eye.
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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Metalwario64 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:33 pm

Fox666 wrote:"forms and appearances"
Then what about his fat form wearing Pajamas? Or when he changed his face to look "sexy" to get that girl to kiss him?

On it's own, it just seems so inconsequential.
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