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[Perfect]

I don't know where you're getting that there's no room for interpretation, since as I stated on numerous posts, he doesn't state that his nucleus is indigenous to his head. He merely states there's a clump of nerves there currently as he's speaking that make up his nucleus. Also note, he doesn't say whether or not his head is destroyed, he specifically refers to his nucleus, meaning he could lose his head and survive. However, I think this arguments gone on far enough and does deserves its own thread and I'll type one up in a bit.

Yes,he refers to his nucleus inside his head not his body.He can't be more obvious than that.

Also note, he doesn't say whether or not his head is destroyed, he specifically refers to his nucleus, meaning he could lose his head and survive.

I think he doesn't need to do it,because he points to his head.

1. Because he's referring to its current location and not whether it's indigenous to his head.

2. Because he's pointing towards the nucleus in his head. Notice he says, "There's a small clump in my head", meaning currently, not "There's always been a small clump in my head" or "There's been a small clump inside my head". Then note he directly refers to the clump for a reason, not because he just mentioned it's in his head, but because it's whether or not the nucleus survives. There's no evidence towards what you're saying, other than being closed minded and objective.

3. I'd really prefer if any further arguments could be brought up in the aforementioned thread.

[Titan]

1. Because he's referring to its current location

Nothing suggests that .

Because he's pointing towards the nucleus in his head. Notice he says, "There's a small clump in my head", meaning currently, not "There's always been a small clump in my head" or "There's been a small clump inside my head". Then note he directly refers to the clump for a reason, not because he just mentioned it's in his head, but because it's whether or not the nucleus survives. There's no evidence towards what you're saying, other than being closed minded and objective.

In that case he should have used the word currently and he also should have said that the clump is inside his body not his head.

You keep adding words to make a case,but in fact, for your theory to work, he would have to use your words.

You are are the one being closed minded and trying to make a theory out of thin air.

[Perfect]

1. Because he's referring to its current location

Nothing suggests that .

Because he's pointing towards the nucleus in his head. Notice he says, "There's a small clump in my head", meaning currently, not "There's always been a small clump in my head" or "There's been a small clump inside my head". Then note he directly refers to the clump for a reason, not because he just mentioned it's in his head, but because it's whether or not the nucleus survives. There's no evidence towards what you're saying, other than being closed minded and objective.

In that case he should have used the word currently and he also should have said that the clump is inside his body not his head.

You keep adding words to make a case,but in fact for you theory to work he would have used your words.

You are are the one being closed minded and trying to make a theory out of thin air.

I'm making a theory out of thin air? He doesn't have to say currently for the context to suggest it's in the present tense. How can you not identify that it's in the present tense? If Cell were referring to past tense, you'd see it in the dialogue. I'm being open minded if anything, really.

[Titan]

1. Because he's referring to its current location

Nothing suggests that .

Because he's pointing towards the nucleus in his head. Notice he says, "There's a small clump in my head", meaning currently, not "There's always been a small clump in my head" or "There's been a small clump inside my head". Then note he directly refers to the clump for a reason, not because he just mentioned it's in his head, but because it's whether or not the nucleus survives. There's no evidence towards what you're saying, other than being closed minded and objective.

In that case he should have used the word currently and he also should have said that the clump is inside his body not his head.

You keep adding words to make a case,but in fact for you theory to work he would have used your words.

You are are the one being closed minded and trying to make a theory out of thin air.

I'm making a theory out of thin air? He doesn't have to say currently for the context to suggest it's in the present tense. How can you not identify that it's in the present tense? If Cell were referring to past tense, you'd see it in the dialogue. I'm being open minded if anything, really.

Just open a thread.

[Rocketman]

Vegettroll.

[Senzu_Bean]

It seemed rather well established in the series that the Cell Juniors couldn't regenerate...

I really don't think there is something in the story that establishes Cell Juniors can't regenerate and all information we have about Cell Juniors suggest they're just miniatures of Cell. They most likely didn't regenerate when Gohan kill them because that is exactly what Gohan did - he kill them right there.

One could question is whether or not Cell (or a Cell Junior) would die if their nucleus is destroyed. It's the key for its regeneration but is it essential to its life? I don't know.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I really don't think there is something in the story that establishes Cell Juniors can't regenerate and all information we have about Cell Juniors suggest they're just miniatures of Cell. They most likely didn't regenerate when Gohan kill them because that is exactly what Gohan did - he kill them right there.

One could question is whether or not Cell (or a Cell Junior) would die if their nucleus is destroyed. It's the key for its regeneration but is it essential to its life? I don't know.

I have to agree with Perfect here, and say they just can't regenerate. Most of the Cell Juniors only have their heads smashed, one is cut directly in two, and one or two are damaged in other ways. But most of them don't seem to take any more damage than Cell regenerated from. I mean, Cell had everything from his upper torso blown off by Goku's Shunkan'ido Kamehameha, and the first Cell Junior Gohan kills had his head smashed/decapitated from the neck up. If he was really exactly like a mini Cell, minus the stinger, he shouldn't have had any problem regenerating from that:

[Fox666]

But Gohan actually apparently destroyed the heads of all Cell Jr., much like Piccolo said he wouldn't be able to regenerate from. If you ignore Cell regenerating from his legs which is already a plot-hole, there is no reason to assume the Cell Jr. cannot regenerate.

[Senzu_Bean]

^ I agree.

Cell isn't Majin Buu, regeneration doesn't mean invincibility as long as you can regenerate. I think everyone agrees if Vegetto used his time traveling powers and appeared at the time Cell was alive he could have simply kicked the bug's butt and kill it without essentially destroy its body, right?

v The nucleus thing seems to be the norm since later Piccolo basically uses the same explanation and Daizenshuu also describes their regeneration working that way.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

But Gohan actually apparently destroyed the heads of all Cell Jr., much like Piccolo said he wouldn't be able to regenerate from. If you ignore Cell regenerating from his legs which is already a plot-hole, there is no reason to assume the Cell Jr. cannot regenerate.

To me, that's asinine. The plot hole comes from his nucleus explanation, which happens after he gets his head blown off. Therefore that's what should be ignored, or at least handwaved into some other viable explaination. The fact is, Cell regenerates from his legs and the Cell Jurniors don't, so they can't regenerate.

^ I agree.

Cell isn't Majin Buu, regeneration doesn't mean invincibility as long as you can regenerate. I think everyone agrees if Vegetto used his time traveling powers and appeared at the time Cell was alive he could have simply kicked the bug's butt and kill it without essentially destroy its body, right?

v The nucleus thing seems to be the norm since later Piccolo basically uses the same explanation and Daizenshuu also describes their regeneration working that way.

I'm not saying that. Vegetto could punch Cell all he wants, and eventually Cell would die. But as long as he has enough ki and TIME to allow himself to regenerate the internal damage he is taking, he can continue to fight. This is all assuming Vegetto holds back enough to fight him, and doesn't turn him into dust with the first punch of course. The Cell Junior gets his head smashed in, and then is forgotten, which gives him plenty of time to regenerate if he coudl do so, because Cell himself proves that losing your head isn't that big of a deal...

Your point? Piccolo would spawn kids from his mouth, Cell from his lower back...they don't have to be the exact same.

[Senzu_Bean]

But that is the thing - Gohan was so overwhelming stronger than the Cell Juniors that just one punch/kick was more than enough to kill them. Not just rip their heads or whatever but actually KILL them. Regeneration shouldn't prevent them die through a massive powerful punch/kick. Heck, Namekians also can regenerate as long as their heads are intact yet they have show to die numerous times without actually their head be destroyed.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

But that is the thing - Gohan was so overwhelming stronger than the Cell Juniors that just one punch/kick was more than enough to kill them. Not just rip their heads or whatever but actually KILL them. Regeneration shouldn't prevent them die through a massive powerful punch/kick. Heck, Namekians also can regenerate as long as their heads are intact yet they have show to die numerous times without actually their head be destroyed.

You're assuming it killed them because he's that much stronger and a simple strike to the head was infinitely more damaging that Goku blasting off Cell's. Either way, the head is still gone, and as Cell showed us, their ki is in their whole body. As he managed to retain his energy despite losing his head and his nucleus according to the "offcial explaination". But that logic hold very little water IMO. Punching them in the gut would have been a lot more believable, as he could have caused all sorts of internal damage from the force of impact, preventing them from being able to regenerate it all. As it stands, even if Gohan was that much stronger, he used so much power that he was only able to damage the head because he caused it to fly off the creatures neck, so the rest of their body and their ki should remain in tact.

It seems much, MUCH more likely that Gohan killed them because he smashed their heads in, and they can't regenerate at all.

[Senzu_Bean]

I don't see it that way but since there isn't officially saying whether they can or cannot regenerate it's perfectly fine that various opinions exist.

[Mewzard]

Checking through the entire list of fighters on their universe spin wheel thing, only two left: Beelzebub from Sandland (aka Universe 2), and that unknown figure that's probably the final villain in the series from Universe 3 (Super Bardock's universe).

And then after that, it's Nappa vs Freeza. Should be fun.

[Hellspawn28]

I really can't wait for the next round and I'm looking forward to Goku vs. #17 and Nappa vs. Freeza.

[Titan]

I really can't wait for the next round and I'm looking forward to Goku vs. #17 and Nappa vs. Freeza.

Really?
It is obvious that Goku and Freeza will win easily.

[perucho1990]

I really can't wait for the next round and I'm looking forward to Goku vs. #17 and Nappa vs. Freeza.

Really?
It is obvious that Goku and Freeza will win easily.

We dont know how strong this Nappa is. Radditz was as strong as the Ginyu Force(at least 180,000).

I wonder if he is will use "2 Fingers", it looked badass when he used it to destroy the city in the Saiyans Arc.

[Titan]

I really can't wait for the next round and I'm looking forward to Goku vs. #17 and Nappa vs. Freeza.

Really?
It is obvious that Goku and Freeza will win easily.

We dont know how strong this Nappa is. Radditz was as strong as the Ginyu Force(at least 180,000).

I wonder if he is will use "2 Fingers", it looked badass when he used it to destroy the city in the Saiyans Arc.

If Nappa wants to be competitive vs Freeza he needs to be a super sayan and i don't think he is one.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If Nappa wants to be competitive vs Freeza he needs to be a super sayan and i don't think he is one.

I dunno, Nappa is stronger than Raditz. Oozaru might bring him into Freeza's league, at least the basic final form, but then again there is the problem of him being a bigger target, possibly too slow, and Freeza having the ability to increase his power to 100%...yeah Nappa doesn't stand a chance unless Salagir wants him to.

[Fox666]

Why would he be slower? It appeared to me that when Vegeta was fighting Goku he was 10 times faster an Oozaru as expected, not the opposite.

Nappa would need a battle power of 12 million to fight Freeza as an Oozaru, or 2.4 million as a Super Saiyan. I wonder how strong this Nappa from the "Super Saiyan universe" is...