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Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by UnbiasedDBZfan » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:08 am

Who wins this battle of compsers? Saban's own Shuki Levy? Or the Techo/Rock master Bruce Faulconer? By the way メリークリスマスみんな!
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

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UnbiasedDBZfan wrote:Who wins this battle of compsers? Saban's own Shuki Levy? Or the Techo/Rock master Bruce Faulconer? By the way メリークリスマスみんな!
Why is the Katakana/Hiragana not viewable btw?
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:49 am

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UnbiasedDBZfan wrote:Who wins this battle of compsers? Saban's own Shuki Levy? Or the Techo/Rock master Bruce Faulconer? By the way メリークリスマスみんな!
Why is the Katakana/Hiragana not viewable btw?
Probably because you don't have the necessary fonts installed. I can see it.

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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by Gonstead » Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:06 pm

You do realise that Faulconer was not the only person responsible for the Funimation Soundtrack for DBZ right?

Scott Morgan, Julius Dobos and Mike Smith all helped out to make that soundtrack.
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by penguintruth » Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:22 pm

Most of Shuki Levy's music is just sort of... there. As much as I hate to, I have to give it to Faulconer.
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by BluezaBladeNZ » Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:37 pm

Definitely Shuki Levy for me. His score actually more of an organic feel to it and knew when to get dark, light-hearted etc, whereas Faulconer Productions just feels like generic electronic/rock/synth rhythms being played non-stop to me (I'll probably get flamed for saying this but it's just what I think).

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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by Codarik » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:36 pm

I'm not too fond of Shuki Levy's music, kinda just sounded like background noise that wouldn't stop and got really annoying at times, it also sound like the same 7 tracks played over and over again. Faulconer Productions was great, had 4 guys with different styles making music for the show, because of the different styles, the music never got old or boring, every character had a unique theme and there has been moments when their music outclassed Kikuchi's score.

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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:08 pm

This is a hard one because Shuki Levis music seemed pretty bland but nothing seemed to be out of place. His music didn't ad much but it didn't take away from anything either. Team Faulconer on the other hand had fantastic composers but a lot of the tracks didn't really fit with the moment. Though a few did fit better IMO (best example is Paikuhans theme playing when he beats Cell Freeza and King Cold).

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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by UnbiasedDBZfan » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:29 am

BluezaBladeNZ wrote:Definitely Shuki Levy for me. His score actually more of an organic feel to it and knew when to get dark, light-hearted etc, whereas Faulconer Productions just feels like generic electronic/rock/synth rhythms being played non-stop to me (I'll probably get flamed for saying this but it's just what I think).
Shuki Levy's score never shut up either. None of the English composers' score ever shut up.
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:10 am

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BluezaBladeNZ wrote:Definitely Shuki Levy for me. His score actually more of an organic feel to it and knew when to get dark, light-hearted etc, whereas Faulconer Productions just feels like generic electronic/rock/synth rhythms being played non-stop to me (I'll probably get flamed for saying this but it's just what I think).
Shuki Levy's score never shut up either. None of the English composers' score ever shut up.
Mark Menza's had a fair bit of silence, particularly in DBZ Movie 6.

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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by UnbiasedDBZfan » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:33 am

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UnbiasedDBZfan wrote:
BluezaBladeNZ wrote:Definitely Shuki Levy for me. His score actually more of an organic feel to it and knew when to get dark, light-hearted etc, whereas Faulconer Productions just feels like generic electronic/rock/synth rhythms being played non-stop to me (I'll probably get flamed for saying this but it's just what I think).
Shuki Levy's score never shut up either. None of the English composers' score ever shut up.
Mark Menza's had a fair bit of silence, particularly in DBZ Movie 6.
Okay then barring one neither of them shut up and the one that does shut up doesn't shut up in his main series of composition(I.E Dragon Ball GT)
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by Gonstead » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:37 pm

There IS silence in all of the English scores. They're just rare to appear at times.
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by UnbiasedDBZfan » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:40 pm

Gonstead wrote:There IS silence in all of the English scores. They're just rare to appear at times.
Stopping then starting a new song does not constitute for silence. Proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz2iib7NFLE
This actually has silence, then the music starts to play. Levy's score was music then it stopped then immediately it started again which is not silence since a new track was starting in the first place.
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by Gonstead » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:56 pm

That's not what I'm talking about.

It's stuff like this I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7zILDjLF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXgNib19m8
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by Akumaito Beam » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:04 am

Yeah, I'll defend the Saban dub on a lot of fronts but the music really had this stock quality to it. I can pick out themes but very rarely did it add anything to the scenes. That being said I'd argue it was at least unintrusive, I've never thought "This could not be more grating." when listening to it and I can't really say the same for the BFP score. A lot of that has to do with the non-stop Mickey Mousing on BFP's score which I can only take in small doses before it seems like the music is stepping on the footage's toes. So the BFP score stood out a lot more to me but that was kind of a double edged sword because I feel like under scrutiny it doesn't stand up very well. The Levy stuff is easy to ridicule but you'd almost be going out of your way to do so, it's the musical equivalent of a fan droning on in the background.

Shit, that paragraph is overly negative! I don't mean to be super blunt or offensive. Different strokes. :)

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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by UnbiasedDBZfan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:26 am

Gonstead wrote:That's not what I'm talking about.

It's stuff like this I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7zILDjLF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXgNib19m8
Whoa, well that shut me up!
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

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Gonstead wrote:That's not what I'm talking about.

It's stuff like this I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7zILDjLF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXgNib19m8
To be fair, in the first video it seems it was for humorus reason.
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by Gonstead » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:29 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Gonstead wrote:That's not what I'm talking about.

It's stuff like this I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7zILDjLF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXgNib19m8
To be fair, in the first video it seems it was for humorus reason.
Still counts as silence.
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

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BluezaBladeNZ wrote:Definitely Shuki Levy for me. His score actually more of an organic feel to it and knew when to get dark, light-hearted etc, whereas Faulconer Productions just feels like generic electronic/rock/synth rhythms being played non-stop to me (I'll probably get flamed for saying this but it's just what I think).
Shuki Levy's score never shut up either. None of the English composers' score ever shut up.
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Re: Christmas Special: BF vs Shuki Levy

Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:23 pm

Gonstead wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Gonstead wrote:That's not what I'm talking about.

It's stuff like this I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7zILDjLF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXgNib19m8
To be fair, in the first video it seems it was for humorus reason.
Still counts as silence.
Certainly musical silence, which I know is your point, but, damn. What really catches me is that they felt the need to keep it from being silent by having the characters constantly talk and bridge the gap until the music started up again. They could just never have silence.

Oh, and as for the thread title, wasn't it revealed recently that it was actually Ron Wasserman, not Shuki Levy, who did the music for the first two seasons?
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