The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Fox666]

It depends on how strong Goku was against Broli... is he supposed to have the same strength when he fought Cell?

[Perfect]

It depends on how strong Goku was against Broli... is he supposed to have the same strength when he fought Cell?

While it's speculated he could be just as strong or weaker, it really doesn't matter. Goku regardless of what point he was at during the Cell saga, would never match up to Perfect Cell at full power. I'd imagine at full power if Gohan wasn't SSJ2, everyone would be killed instantly.

If we look at Herms' strength checker, Goku and Krillin are both astounded amazed by Cell's power as well.

Goku: “S-so we finally get to see Cell fight at full power”
Kuririn: “Th-this ki is so astounding, it’s like the entire Earth is shaking.”

Plus the fact that Cell with his speed uncompressed was to fast for Goku to see, says enough..

[Kaboom]

Personally, I usually just use a method that's really easy: consider the movie villains to be counterparts to series ones, at least in terms of power. Movie 8 Broly matches up with some level of Perfect Cell beating up on various Super Saiyan heroes, and Movie 10 Broly matches up with "Super Perfect" Cell and beats up on SSj2 Gohan. Pit Cell against Broly in a fight, though, and Cell would win. All Broly has going for him is raw power, but Cell's got brains, skill, and a wide variety of special techniques.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Personally, I usually just use a method that's really easy: consider the movie villains to be counterparts to series ones, at least in terms of power. Movie 8 Broly matches up with some level of Perfect Cell beating up on various Super Saiyan heroes, and Movie 10 Broly matches up with "Super Perfect" Cell and beats up on SSj2 Gohan. Pit Cell against Broly in a fight, though, and Cell would win. All Broly has going for him is raw power, but Cell's got brains, skill, and a wide variety of special techniques.

Plus regeneration.

[Kaboom]

Yep, that would fall under "special techniques."

[perucho1990]

End of DBZ Mr Buu vs Buu Saga SSJ2 Vegeta(No Majin Vegeta btw).

[Haji]

Broly took out a planet with a ki blast a little bigger than a baseball, and Broly was taking on 2 FPSSJ, 2SSJ grade 2 and a Super Namekian. Broly only got taken out in the movies cause they was movies, it had to end sometime. Which made both his defeats pitiful.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yep, that would fall under "special techniques."

Yeah, that's fine, then.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Broly took out a planet with a ki blast a little bigger than a baseball, and Broly was taking on 2 FPSSJ, 2SSJ grade 2 and a Super Namekian. Broly only got taken out in the movies cause they was movies, it had to end sometime. Which made both his defeats pitiful.

We don't know that Goku and Gohan were FPSSjs in that film. And if you look at it that way, all the villains in the films only got taken out because they were movies that had to end sometime. Why is Broli an exception?

[Perfect]

Broly took out a planet with a ki blast a little bigger than a baseball, and Broly was taking on 2 FPSSJ, 2SSJ grade 2 and a Super Namekian. Broly only got taken out in the movies cause they was movies, it had to end sometime. Which made both his defeats pitiful.

We don't know that Goku and Gohan were FPSSjs in that film. And if you look at it that way, all the villains in the films only got taken out because they were movies that end sometime. Why is Broli an exception?

He isn't an exception, it's just the typical, "Broly's stronger than everyone and had die because he would have ended the entire series", fan boy response. :p

[Saiga]

Broly took out a planet with a ki blast a little bigger than a baseball, and Broly was taking on 2 FPSSJ, 2SSJ grade 2 and a Super Namekian. Broly only got taken out in the movies cause they was movies, it had to end sometime. Which made both his defeats pitiful.

We don't know that Goku and Gohan were FPSSjs in that film. And if you look at it that way, all the villains in the films only got taken out because they were movies that end sometime. Why is Broli an exception?

He isn't an exception, it's just the typical, "Broly's stronger than everyone and had die because he would have ended the entire series", fan boy response. :p

I just hate that response you could really say the same thing for Freeza, Cell and Boo anyway, I mean they had to get taken out so that their Arcs could end...

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Alright then SSJ2 Goku Boo vs Super Perfect Cell. Before you say rape this is roughly what was said when Prince of Darkness Vegeta/Majin Vegeta was pounding Fat Boo
Piccolo: He's just as strong, no stronger then Gohan when he fought Cell
I'm guessing that means that the gap bewteen SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Kid Gohan is so negligible that it doesn't matter. And Super Perfect Cell one shotted SSJ2 Kid Gohan's arm. And you can't do that if you're weaker then someone. So believe Super Perfect Cell>=SSJ2 Goku imo. Also the Majin boost gives Vegeta an insane enough boost to match Goku blow for blow so it solidifies that SSJ2 Kid Gohan>SSJ2 Normal Vegeta.

[Saiga]

Alright then SSJ2 Goku Boo vs Super Perfect Cell. Before you say rape this is roughly what was said when Prince of Darkness Vegeta/Majin Vegeta was pounding Fat Boo
Piccolo: He's just as strong, no stronger then Gohan when he fought Cell
I'm guessing that means that the gap bewteen SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Kid Gohan is so negligible that it doesn't matter. And Super Perfect Cell one shotted SSJ2 Kid Gohan's arm. And you can't do that if you're weaker then someone. So believe Super Perfect Cell>=SSJ2 Goku imo. Also the Majin boost gives Vegeta an insane enough boost to match Goku blow for blow so it solidifies that SSJ2 Kid Gohan>SSJ2 Normal Vegeta.

Goku roflstomps SPC.

[CatouttaHell]

Alright then SSJ2 Goku Boo vs Super Perfect Cell. Before you say rape this is roughly what was said when Prince of Darkness Vegeta/Majin Vegeta was pounding Fat Boo
Piccolo: He's just as strong, no stronger then Gohan when he fought Cell
I'm guessing that means that the gap bewteen SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Kid Gohan is so negligible that it doesn't matter. And Super Perfect Cell one shotted SSJ2 Kid Gohan's arm. And you can't do that if you're weaker then someone. So believe Super Perfect Cell>=SSJ2 Goku imo. Also the Majin boost gives Vegeta an insane enough boost to match Goku blow for blow so it solidifies that SSJ2 Kid Gohan>SSJ2 Normal Vegeta.

Son Goku godstomps Cell even without SSjin 2 IMO. Piccolo only couldn't tell Vegeta and Gohan apart because he was so far behind that he couldn't accurately tell BPs apart.

SSjin 2 Gohan most likely got a massive rage boost (anywhere from 2x to 4x) at the end of the Kamehameha struggle also. The manga heavily implies and the Daizenshuu flat-out states it... for whatever that's worth. So the gap between him and Cell is pretty large.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Alright then SSJ2 Goku Boo vs Super Perfect Cell. Before you say rape this is roughly what was said when Prince of Darkness Vegeta/Majin Vegeta was pounding Fat Boo
Piccolo: He's just as strong, no stronger then Gohan when he fought Cell
I'm guessing that means that the gap bewteen SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Kid Gohan is so negligible that it doesn't matter. And Super Perfect Cell one shotted SSJ2 Kid Gohan's arm. And you can't do that if you're weaker then someone. So believe Super Perfect Cell>=SSJ2 Goku imo. Also the Majin boost gives Vegeta an insane enough boost to match Goku blow for blow so it solidifies that SSJ2 Kid Gohan>SSJ2 Normal Vegeta.

Son Goku godstomps Cell even without SSjin 2 IMO. Piccolo only couldn't tell Vegeta and Gohan apart because he was so far behind that he couldn't accurately tell BPs apart.

SSjin 2 Gohan most likely got a massive rage boost (anywhere from 2x to 4x) at the end of the Kamehameha struggle also. The manga heavily implies and the Daizenshuu flat-out states it... for whatever that's worth. So the gap between him and Cell is pretty large.

The Daizenshuu's accuracy varies between being bullshit and being somewhat true. I.E Tenshinhan able to use Kaioken when he already has a move like that anyways. Also Piccolo can sense Ki regardless of power. The 2X shit is based on Toei multipliers. Akira never gave that indication. He only agreed with ssj1 multiplier, and even that he thought was too big. ssj3 is obviously a much bigger multiplier than you think as ssj3 goku was keeping up with Kid Boo who was stated to be toying with said buffoon Saiyan.

[Piccolo Daimao]

SSJ2 Goku Boo vs Super Perfect Cell

OK, so even if SSj2 Vegeta pre-Majin is only marginally stronger than SSj2 Gohan was in the Cell arc, who was stronger than Super Perfect Cell, there was apparently enough of a gap between SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Vegeta that Vegeta had to have his dormant power brought out beyond his limits to match him. So, judging by this, SSj2 Goku is much stronger than Super Perfect Cell, and he'd destroy him with little trouble.

[lash]

Goku wins with only slight difficulty.

Cell wasn't stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.

The Daizenshuu's accuracy varies between being bullshit and being somewhat true. I.E Tenshinhan able to use Kaioken when he already has a move like that anyways.

How can that be an example of bullshit, when it doesn't say that in the first place?
I have a feeling you got that off a certain blog...

[Fox666]

I.E Tenshinhan able to use Kaioken when he already has a move like that anyways.

What? Tenshinhan Kaio-ken? The Daizenshuu doesn't have any information regarding that.

The 2X shit is based on Toei multipliers.

Why Toei has anything to do with it? The Super Exciting Guide is based on the manga, it hs nothing to do with Toei.

Akira never gave that indication.

Supposedly the guide was supervisioned by him.

He only agreed with ssj1 multiplier, and even that he thought was too big.

That's not how it happened, you completely misinterpreted his interview.

ssj3 is obviously a much bigger multiplier than you think as ssj3 goku was keeping up with Kid Boo who was stated to be toying with said buffoon Saiyan.

I don't get how you "measured" the multiplier based on that.

[Haji]

Goku, Vegeta and Gohan as SSJ2 in the Buu ark was all roughly the same power level. Goku and Vegeta being the same and Gohan right behind. Now remember in the 10th DBZ movie Broly didn't even flinch at SSJ2 Gohan's punch. I say that cause a lot of people don't see how Broly is around Buu's power. I'm not saying he's as powerful, just that Buu and Broly are around the same power like how i was talking about SSJ2 Goku,Vegeta and Gohan being around the same power. And i think they should have done something like seal Broly. Toei just set up such a powerful character just to have pitiful defeats.


And Gohan getting his arm hurt by Cell, Uh i think that was cause Gohan didn't think and jumped in front of the blast. If he was powered up a bit i don't think it would have bothered him.

[Silkman3003]

I have one!!

SSj3 Goku(movie 13) vs Super Buu

1. Base Super Buu

2. Gotenks Buu

3. Buuhan

Which Super Buus ,can movie 13 Ssj3 Goku defeat?