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[Perfect]

A comparison with 100kg weights. I don't see a connection.

Erm, I misread that. I thought you were combining the weight for the clothes and... My bad.

In the manga he asks for the 300G machine after Trunks killed Freeza and has never gone to space.

Yes he asks for it and gets it in the course of a couple of pages. He hasn't reached SSJ at that point because of his general attitude. Unless you're implying in those pages he isn't under 300x gravity? I haven't checked in awhile, but I don't recall anything contradicting that. As for space I merely assumed he went like in the anime, since it doesn't really contradict anything but serves no real purpose. I like to assume he went to space and reached SSJ, that's just my personal theory, while I'm not saying it has anything to do with the argument since I'm mainly referring to him not being SSJ, I just tend to couple the two.

[Fox666]

This is what what we can see in the manga:



It's not enough to conclude anything, especially considering Goku gradually increased the gravity to 100 G. We don't know if Vegeta really trained in 300 G in his regular form.

And since you brought up the question of the 40 tons training of Goku, here the page for reference:



I would like to ask why everybody says this is because of Goku using the Bukujutsu. If it is about something on the Super Exciting Guide, I would like to see what exactly it said. I don't think it ever said Goku would be able to run around if he was on ground, considering what he says there:

Goku: “10 tons [in each weight]!? I dunno, that might be a little too much even for me…I wouldn’t be able to move.”

Of course there is no reason to think he should be able to, since we have never seen anyone training with 40 tons before, and according to youself weight are not "linear".

Daizenshuu 4 tell us that Goku was in the Heaven while training with Kaio, so there shouldn't be any extra gravity. For Goku, training at 8 and 40 tons is the equivalent of 100 and 500 G.

If you think about it, Trunks was forced to transform in Super Saiyan in 150 G, Vegeta was already a Super Saiyan, and Goku was at the equivalent of 100 G in the afterlife. Perhaps at this point of the story we are supposed to believe that nobody can handle over 100 G without transforming in Super Saiyan?

It is only a problem if you think that Vegeta trained with 300 G before transforming in Super Saiyan. Of course it could be that Toriyama just forget that Vegeta used 300 G before.

[Perfect]

This is what what we can see in the manga:



It's not enough to conclude anything, especially considering Goku gradually increased the gravity to 100 G. We don't know if Vegeta really trained in 300 G in his regular form.

I think it's safe to assume seeing that he requests a 300x gravity increase only a page before, that he's training above 100x, if not 300x. Plus if Goku could handle 100x before Namek, plus the zenkai he received on Namek which was a huge boost, then he'd be far above 100, along with Vegeta.

And since you brought up the question of the 40 tons training of Goku, here the page for reference:



I would like to ask why everybody says this is because of Goku using the Bukujutsu. If it is about something on the Super Exciting Guide, I would like to see what exactly it said. I don't think it ever said Goku would be able to run around if he was on ground, considering what he says there:

Goku: “10 tons [in each weight]!? I dunno, that might be a little too much even for me…I wouldn’t be able to move.”

Of course there is no reason to think he should be able to, since we have never seen anyone training with 40 tons before, and according to youself weight are not "linear".

I don't know why you keep putting linear in quotes, it's an obvious fact they're not. Various aspects contribute thus making a different result, hence not linear. I don't have the page myself, but I'm sure someone here does.

Daizenshuu 4 tell us that Goku was in the Heaven while training with Kaio, so there shouldn't be any extra gravity. For Goku, training at 8 and 40 tons is the equivalent of 100 and 500 G.

Are you sure it's Heaven? I'd rather think it'd be Dai Kaio's place, which would quite clearly have extra gravity, making a total of 400 tons, plus the fatigue and flying.

If you think about it, Trunks was forced to transform in Super Saiyan in 150 G, Vegeta was already a Super Saiyan, and Goku was at the equivalent of 100 G in the afterlife. Perhaps at this point of the story we are supposed to think that nobody can handle over 100 G without transforming in Super Saiyan?

There's nothing that implies that.

1 ton = 2,000lbs
*40
----
80,000lbs

Goku's weight - I dunno, like 135 pounds or something, *100 = 13,500lbs

500x Earth's gravity would be around 67,500lbs

I don't know how you can say Goku was 100x in the afterlife. Unless of course you're referring to his 8 tons I think beforehand, which is still above 100x. It's about 120, and if you look at how easily Goku moves in them even with the chi being trained and fatigue an potential gravity since I'm not sure about Heaven, I'm sure he'd be able to do a few more tons like that. Of course he's already above 100x so this would just further my point. Actually Goku agrees to make them a little heavier, so by assumption that's a few more tons, granted not a lot, but a few more.

Let's say he had 16 tons total, 4 on each, then that'd equal 32,000. That's be roughly double the amount of gravity on him, even you add just one ton on each more instead, it'd still be a hell of a lot more than 100x, about 237x (If it were 16 total). If it were 12 it'd be 177x. I'm also using the US standard for tons, which is lower than other countries, so the gravity can be even higher depending by what country you go by.

It is only a problem if you think that Vegeta trained with 300 G before transforming in Super Saiyan. Of course it could be that Toriyama just forget that Vegeta used 300 G before.

I don't see a problem unless you insinuate that Trunks and Goten are above Cell arc Vegeta and Goku, which they aren't.

[Fox666]

I don't know why you keep putting linear in quotes, it's an obvious fact they're not. Various aspects contribute thus making a different result, hence not linear. I don't have the page myself, but I'm sure someone here does.

I am just not a fan of the word "linear".

Are you sure it's Heaven? I'd rather think it'd be Dai Kaio's place, which would quite clearly have extra gravity, making a total of 400 tons, plus the fatigue and flying.

6 - Heaven
The planet where those who have been judged by Enma Daio to be good people reside. Goku trained here heading into the 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai.
http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.p ... other#link

And here is a picture of that place from the manga:

(...)

Goku's weight - I dunno, like 135 pounds or something, *100 = 13,500lbs

500x Earth's gravity would be around 67,500lbs

I don't know how you can say Goku was 100x in the afterlife. Unless of course you're referring to his 8 tons I think beforehand, which is still above 100x. It's about 120, and if you look at how easily Goku moves in them even with the chi being trained and fatigue an potential gravity since I'm not sure about Heaven, I'm sure he'd be able to do a few more tons like that. Of course he's already above 100x so this would just further my point.

I would expect for a man like Goku to weight 80 kg (176 lbs) however it appears his official record is 62kg (136 lbs).

That would make 8 and 40 tons the equivalent of 129 and 645 G instead of what I said before. However that doesn't change my argument.

[Perfect]

I don't know why you keep putting linear in quotes, it's an obvious fact they're not. Various aspects contribute thus making a different result, hence not linear. I don't have the page myself, but I'm sure someone here does.

I am just not a fan of the word "linear".

Are you sure it's Heaven? I'd rather think it'd be Dai Kaio's place, which would quite clearly have extra gravity, making a total of 400 tons, plus the fatigue and flying.

6 - Heaven
The planet where those who have been judged by Enma Daio to be good people reside. Goku trained here heading into the 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai.
http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.p ... other#link

And here is a picture of that place from the manga:

(...)

Goku's weight - I dunno, like 135 pounds or something, *100 = 13,500lbs

500x Earth's gravity would be around 67,500lbs

I don't know how you can say Goku was 100x in the afterlife. Unless of course you're referring to his 8 tons I think beforehand, which is still above 100x. It's about 120, and if you look at how easily Goku moves in them even with the chi being trained and fatigue an potential gravity since I'm not sure about Heaven, I'm sure he'd be able to do a few more tons like that. Of course he's already above 100x so this would just further my point.

I would expect for a man like Goku to weight 80 kg (176 lbs) however it appears his official record is 62kg (136 lbs).

That would make 8 and 40 tons the equivalent of 129 and 645 G instead of what I said before. However that doesn't change my argument.

Alright, I just wanted to be sure about Heaven. I also edited my post heavily to morose assert my point of how it does affect your argument, seeing that Goku was able to train above x100 gravity and probably anywhere from x170-x237, depending on how you measure a ton, it'd be more by the UK's standards. So you don't have to be SSJ to go over that amount of weight by any means. The anime shows they can do x450-500 the gravity of Earth in their base forms, but the manga merely suggests x237-x300, which are both gradually above x100. You could say Vegeta doing x300 would be based on speculation given the prior page, but it's a fair point. There's morose evidence towards than using future references which weren't in mind while he was drawing that part of the story. We also have to factor in Goku's already fatigued body from training already and the Super Exciting Guide's passage about flying. It actually might be somewhere on Daizex, I remember seeing it some time ago. I did however fine this which quotes Herms about it,
http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t151 ... g-section/

Going by that, Goku could easily do waaaaaaay more weight than 8-16 tons total.

[Fox666]

Let's say he had 16 tons total, 4 on each, then that'd equal 32,000. That's be roughly double the amount of gravity on him, even you add just one ton on each more instead, it'd still be a hell of a lot more than 100x, about 237x (If it were 16 total). If it were 12 it'd be 177x. I'm also using the US standard for tons, which is lower than other countries, so the gravity can be even higher depending by what country you go by.

The manga uses Kilos, so I doubt it would ever include US standards. By the way, who cares about the US system of measurement?

I don't see a problem unless you insinuate that Trunks and Goten are above Cell arc Vegeta and Goku, which they aren't.

Why not? Just because they are too young?

While the Daizenshuu doesn't touch much that kind of question, it appears to make the more obvious interpretation of Goten sparring with Gohan: "By virtue of being Goku's son, Goten posses battle power not the least bit inferior to even Gohan." Perhaps that a little of exaggeration of theirs, but it's worth to note.

[Perfect]

I thought I made it clear I was using 2,000 as it's the US standard here, so a ton where I live is 2,000 (Plus Canada weighs a ton at 2,000 pounds, granted that's through conversions I believe, but still). I'd assume a metric ton in Japan would be 2,205 like anywhere else. Which would mean Goku's lifting even more than what I stated, hence your point being moot here and dragging your previous point through the mud in the process. Since you know, you'd get the same converting results. Plus many people are comfortable with the way things are set up in the US 300+ million people that is, not to mention there's worse systems out there. I only used pounds because that's what I'm used to, and it doesn't make a damn difference because I can convert it perfectly fine. :S

Ah, not because they're too young, but because they don't compare strength wise to the Saiyans during the early Cell arc as I've been kinda more or less pointing out every post. It is satirical in the sense to show he's not weak, and they're not weak by any means. They're just not as strong as their past fathers. Seeing that Trunks who'd been walking around the chamber for a little bit of time, granted not a lot, but still a little bit of time, still couldn't get used to the gravity, as quite the opposite with Gohan in RoSaT. He was physically incapable. Whereas we can assume Vegeta could do more than x100 in his base form given Goku did x100 before his huge zenkai on Namek which put him at an entirely new level. Thus able to handle new levels of gravity. Notice there isn't a pattern with gravity and battle power increases because of them not being linear, being there's no pattern because of contributing aspects, but if one has a battle power strong enough to tackle the gravity, then they should be able to after getting used it.

Example:
Goku has a battle power of 10.
Vegeta has a battle power of 10.
Goku trains for 5 hours as hard as he can.
Vegeta trains for 2 hours as a warm up
They're both training under x10 gravity.

Goku's battle power increases to 28
Vegeta's battle power increases to 20.

Example 2:
Vegeta can't train at x15 gravity because he's not physically able. His battle power is 20
Goku can train in x15 gravity because his is 28.

Example 3:
Vegeta trains for 1 hour as a warm up
Goku trains hard for 30 minutes
Vegeta retains 1 battle power
Goku retains 2.3 battle power

There's just so many factors, there's no way it can be consistent. We do know however that the stronger you are, the more gravity you can handle. So that's more or less why Trunks and Goten aren't that strong, at least until they go to train in RoSaT.

So basically here's out argument:

Vegeta training at x300 is unknown, so you assume that no Saiyan can handle x100 without SSJ. I proved that wrong in the posts above, so in other words, Goku could easily do over x100 after his zenkai increase on Namek, along with Vegeta, though granted, not nearly as much. Vegeta was roughly 1,000,000? and Goku 3,000,000+ his training before coming home, I assume Vegeta did a little in the time before then too, so maybe he's around 1-2 million and Goku's at 4. Who knows, but they can both most certainly train under harsher conditions than Trunks.

[Piccolo Daimao]

But why would you think he was holding back against Goten? The only reason would be to make some sense ouf of the 150G thing.

However we have many instances which show us that Trunks and Goten are not just strong, but close to be strong as the adults are as full-power Super Saiyans.

No, I already said that he was his little brother, so he wouldn't use his full power as he would fighting against a real serious opponent, like Dabra and Boo. It doesn't take a genius. Gohan had already been surprised at how fast base Goten could throw a rock at him. Are we supposed to assume now that base Goten is close to Super Saiyan Goten? No, Gohan was simply rusty and didn't realize that his brother was so fast. Same situation here. Gohan's surprised that Goten can already go Super Saiyan at such a young age when he and his father had trained their butts off for it, and is further surprised that his brother is stronger than he thought.

Again, same situation with Vegeta and Trunks. Vegeta wouldn't be using his full power against his son in a sparring session, otherwise he'd blow him away. Vegeta is already surprised that his son can go Super Saiyan at such a young age, when he had to train his butt off in 300G. So, when testing his strength, he's surprised that he can actually manage to land a hit on him and, in his frustration, lashes out and makes his son start to cry.

I already agreed that Goten and Trunks may be stronger than #18, since a suppressed blast from Trunks made #18 panic and expose them rather than continue to fight, presumably because she thought that they'd be enough of a threat that they could defeat her. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they can match Goku, Gohan and Vegeta in their Super Saiyan forms, since they've far surpassed #18 by now.

[Fox666]

I did however fine this which quotes Herms about it,
http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t151 ... g-section/

It doesn't say much, except for the training being "effective".

And since Goku already mention in the manga that he wouldn't be able to move at all with 40 tons, there is no reason to think he would wasn't for the Bukujutsu.

I thought I made it clear I was using 2,000 as it's the US standard here, so a ton where I live is 2,000 (Plus Canada weighs a ton at 2,000 pounds, granted that's through conversions I believe, but still). I'd assume a metric ton in Japan would be 2,205 like anywhere else. Which would mean Goku's lifting even more than what I stated, hence your point being moot here and dragging your previous point through the mud in the process. Since you know, you'd get the same converting results. Plus many people are comfortable with the way things are set up in the US 300+ million people that is, not to mention there's worse systems out there. I only used pounds because that's what I'm used to, and it doesn't make a damn difference because I can convert it perfectly fine. :S

The manga and guidebooks uses kilos, and one ton is 1,000 kilos.

If you are going to translate kilos in lbs, and you are not sure of how to many lbs is in a ton, of course you won't get a correct result.

Vegeta training at x300 is unknown, so you assume that no Saiyan can handle x100 without SSJ. I proved that wrong in the posts above, so in other words, Goku could easily do over x100 after his zenkai increase on Namek, along with Vegeta, though granted, not nearly as much. Vegeta was roughly 1,000,000? and Goku 3,000,000+ his training before coming home, I assume Vegeta did a little in the time before then too, so maybe he's around 1-2 million and Goku's at 4. Who knows, but they can both most certainly train under harsher conditions than Trunks.

I don't know what you meant by proving me wrong. Like I said before, we see Trunks struggling with 150 G, Vegeta transformed in Super Saiyan at that gravity, and Goku training with 8 G, which is somewhat below 150 G. We assume that Vegeta trained at 300 G in his regular form, but aren't we being told the opposite?

[Perfect]

It doesn't say much, except for the training being "effective".

And since Goku already mention in the manga that he wouldn't be able to move at all with 40 tons, there is no reason to think he would wasn't for the Bukujutsu.

It quite clearly says it makes it much harder, you're just ignoring the point.

The manga and guidebooks uses kilos, and one ton is 1,000 kilos.

If you are going to translate kilos in lbs, and you are not sure of how to many lbs is in a ton, of course you won't get a correct result.

I can convert kilos and pounds just fine, the fact you're questioning it is appalling. I think you have a problem with reading and comprehension, seeing that using 2000 pounds which is slightly less than a metric ton actually furthers my point more because it actually increases Goku's weight.

I don't know what you meant by proving me wrong. Like I said before, we see Trunks struggling with 150 G, Vegeta transformed in Super Saiyan at that gravity, and Goku training with 8 G, which is somewhat below 150 G. We assume that Vegeta trained at 300 G in his regular form, but aren't we being told the opposite?

I literally just proved you wrong and you ignore everything I said. If Goku can train with more than x100 gravity during the late Freeza and early Cell arc, then it's clear he's stronger than Trunks.

[Senzu_Bean]

I don't want to sound like an ass but honestly it looks like you're trying to find excuses to say Trunks and Goten are stronger than they really are.

1) Trunks can barely handle 150 times Earth's gravity unless he goes Super Saiyan;

2) Goku is training with 8 tons using Bukujutsu without effort and cannot move with 40 tons unless he goes Super Saiyan. Goku using 8 tons equals to well over 100 times Earth's gravity and 40 tons equals well over 600 times Earth's gravity;

3) Seven years prior to both situations Vegeta demands Bulma's father to build him a gravity room capable to handle 300 times Earth's gravity, justifying that by saying he, Vegeta, is worth as much as three Goku and thus can train in three times as much gravity as Goku did;

4)

- Goku and Krillin trained with a forty kg turtle shell to overcome the ordinary human level;
- Goku trained with an over one hundred kg suit to match Piccolo's power;
- The Saiyans are used to ten times the gravity of the Earth;
- Goku trained under ten times the gravity of the Earth to match the Saiyan's strength;
- Goku trained under one hundred times the gravity of the Earth to overcome the Saiyans' limits;
- Yamcha felt Kaio's planet gravity but in lack of more information he could handle it enough to chase after Bubbles;
- Vegeta trained under three hundred times the gravity of the Earth to overcome his limits and become a Super Saiyan;
- Nobody complains about ten times the gravity of the Earth inside the RoSaT, not even Gohan;
- Goku later trained with weights of eight tons without too much effort and with weights of forty tons while in the air which roughly equals training in six hundred times the gravity of the Earth. He cannot move while in the air with those, unless he goes Super Saiyan;
- Vegeta later can freely move in one hundred and fifty times the gravity of the Earth in Super Saiyan. Trunks barely can handle that same gravity unless he goes Super Saiyan;
- Pui Pui can handle tens times the gravity of the Earth, thinks that is impressive and Vegeta just dances in hip-hop style in front of him.

I now ask how does all this proves Trunks and Goten are anything but weaker than people who actually are capable of handling more than gravity than they can do? I once again don't want to sound like an ass but something like this is as trivial as saying Mr. Satan is weaker than Cell because Cell owned him with a slap in the face. Mr. Satan excuse for losing that way is shockingly similar to your excuses - he wasn't unaccustomed/used to Cell/the arena/the crowd, whatever.

[dbgtFO]

A while later, Goku has an interesting encounter with Piccolo after he trained in the RoSaT:

Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.”
Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even, it won’t do any good against Cell…”
Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.”

Based on Trunks surprise, Piccolo should have surpassed the half of Goku strength along Vegeta and Trunks during the Cell Games.

Not necessarily. It seems more like that both Piccolo and Trunks are surprised at Goku's frankness.

But during the Majin Boo saga, Babidi and Dabra decide to "rid of the trash" besides the saiyans, which did not transform in Super Saiyans.

Babidi: “Get rid of the trash besides those 3 [Goku, Gohan, Vegeta], then return to the spaceship right away. That way, I think those 3 will fly into a rage and follow you inside for sure.”

However this makes a whole confusion regarding how strong the saiyans actually are.

Dabra: “Seems they’re trying to hide from us…In total…there are 7. We can’t use Kaioshin and Kibito’s energy…But 3 of them seem to have marvelous energy…”
Babidi: “Looks like it. It seems that we’ll get more than enough energy from just those 3…Kuhihihi…To think that we’d be able to revive Majin Boo so quickly…”

What is that supposed to mean? Gohan as a Super Saiyan 2 filled less than half of Majin Boo energy, and in his regular state he is supposed to fill over a third? How exactly that math works?

Like Kaboom I don't think they were actually sensing their ki, but rather found out about their powers in another way, perhaps with Babidi's Crystal Ball or something, which told them that those 3 guys combined would provide all the energy needed. That energy obviously comes from them having Super Saiyan 2(and above in Goku's case) at their disposal, whereas Piccolo may not even be as powerful as the first stage of Super Saiyan.

Trunks and Goten

It can be argued that Piccolo intelligence is predominant over Trunks and Goten power which won't affect Boo by much. Of course if we go by intelligence, Gotenks should have zero influence (I am joking).

Yeah, pretty much what I think.

Super Gotenks was absorbed as the primary influence, due to his power, Piccolo as the secondary influence, due to his intelligence.
Goten and Trunks are worth nothing to Buu after defusing.
Even if they were stronger than Piccolo, it still wouldn't be enough to make a significant difference and Piccolo is without a doubt much more intelligent than either of them, so Piccolo becomes the primary influence by default.

Babidi
But Babidi was calling for Majin Boo help when Piccolo threatened him:

Was Babidi just being arrogant? That's a lot of confidence!

I guess so..

[Senzu_Bean]

To tell the truth Dabra never says those three (Goku, Gohan and Vegeta) have absurdly large energies. He simply says "But 3 of them seem to have marvelous energy…”. "Marvelous energy" can mean anything, specially in this case, since Dabra or Babidi cannot sense energy/ki.

I wonder if "marvelous energy" isn't tied with the whole "pure energy" thing these guys talked about at this part of the story.

[Fox666]

I don't want to sound like an ass but honestly it looks like you're trying to find excuses to say Trunks and Goten are stronger than they really are.

"They really are"? Is that according to some official source? Because as far I know the guidebooks are more inclined with them being on par with Gohan during the 25th Budokai than being weaker than Goku on Namek.

Or is that based alone on the 150 G thing?

[Perfect]

I don't want to sound like an ass but honestly it looks like you're trying to find excuses to say Trunks and Goten are stronger than they really are.

"They really are"? Is that according to some official source? Because as far I know the guidebooks are more inclined with them being on par with Gohan during the 25th Budokai than being weaker than Goku on Namek.

Or is that based alone on the 150 G thing?

I guess it's totally viable that a guidebook can contradict itself and say Gohan was SSJ2 against Dabra and then change its mind and say he wasn't. Not to mention it was being satirical.

Story supported textual evidence > anything a guidebook says

[Fox666]

But is the 150 G thing the ONLY reference you are using to estimate the strength of Trunks and Goten?

I now ask how does all this proves Trunks and Goten are anything but weaker than people who actually are capable of handling more than gravity than they can do? I once again don't want to sound like an ass but something like this is as trivial as saying Mr. Satan is weaker than Cell because Cell owned him with a slap in the face. Mr. Satan excuse for losing that way is shockingly similar to your excuses - he wasn't unaccustomed/used to Cell/the arena/the crowd, whatever.

You can think it is a poor excuse.

However supposedly Yamcha is pratically of the same battle power of Raditz, but why is he having trouble with 10 times gravity if Raditz was raised in these conditions?

Yamcha: “Anyway, I’ve really had it with the gravity here. My body’s heavy and I can’t even run easily.”

[Perfect]

Yamcha's a pansy, who cares about him. Jokes aside, refer to my post about getting used to gravity and how it relates to Trunks, Vegeta and Gohan, etc. :p

[Kaboom]

Like I pointed out before, you're both right. Can we please move on from the gravity debate?

[Kid Buu]

I basically place Piccolo in the same tier that I place him in the Cell Arc: Above the Humans and #18 but Below the Saiyans.

[gojirason]

From Daizenshuu 7's entry on Trunks:

He and Goten then participated in the Adult Division as Mighty Mask, demonstrating strength on par with No. 18's

Think about it this way, taking all the evidence into account, and not actually ignoring anything or making assumptions about what any particular piece of evidence MEANS...

1. Trunks is as strong as 18. [Daiz 7]
2. Goten is as strong as Gohan. [Daiz 2]
3. Vegeta was pressured enough by Trunks that he instinctively attacked when he couldn't dodge. [Manga]
4. Goten pushed Gohan hard enough while training to make him sweat (after Goten's power had been established) [Manga]
5. Trunks struggled in 150G in his normal form. [Manga]
6. Teen Gohan = Cell Games Gohan [Daiz 2]
7. Goten and Trunks demonstrated traits of Full Power SSJs [Manga]
8. Adult Goten is not much stronger than little kid Goten. [Daiz 2]
9. Adult Trunks (end of series) is not much stronger than little kid Trunks. [Daiz 2]
10. Despite getting his ass kicked at 1G, Pui-Pui (along with Dabura and Babidi) thinks increasing the Gravity will give him an advantage over an obviously more powerful fighter. [Manga]
11. Piccolo is an unknown amount stronger than Android 17, who is in turn an unknown amount stronger than Android 18. [Inference, Piccolo post RoSaT > "Kamiccolo" = #17), Manga based]
12. Yakon is strong enough to frighten Kaioshin.
13. Kaioshin > Piccolo [Daizenshuu 7 + Manga]
14. Goku can fight Yakon in his normal form.

Really, unless SOMETHING is assumed from this information that will therefore contradict ESTABLISHED information (such as giving a crap about gravity), then the following is true, and contradicts no established information.

Yakon >=< Goku (Buu Saga) >=< Kaioshin > Piccolo (Buu Saga) > Number 18 ~= Trunks >= Goten > SSJ Vegeta (Android Arc)

If you'd like to contest this please do so by offering facts that I have neglected. Any other arguments (while not necessarily invalid) would be based on conjecture, and thus unprovable.

Things like this should be kept simple. Trying to make a system out of undefined feats in a series full of little incongruities is going to be full of fallacies no matter what.