DBZ feels better when watching it with someone, doesn't it?

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:20 am

I've always pictured DB (or Z, or GT) to be more enjoyable when watching it with others... the only problem is, NOBODY around here likes the Japanese version and I refuse to watch the dub more than once through. So I'm stuck just musing about it on my own... *develops multiple personalities*

[insert_name_here] · Post by **[insert_name_here]** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:48 pm

kenisu3000 wrote:I've always pictured DB (or Z, or GT) to be more enjoyable when watching it with others... the only problem is, NOBODY around here likes the Japanese version and I refuse to watch the dub more than once through. So I'm stuck just musing about it on my own... *develops multiple personalities*

Understands full-heartly. But when I did like the dub, I always watched it with people and loved it even more.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:30 am

I think DBZ is a better experience when watching with someone else. Hell, I got nearly my entire family to watch it with me at one time or another, even got my older sister hooked (would you believe she prefers GT over original DB and DBZ?). Definitly better than watching it alone IMO.

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:40 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Hell, I got nearly my entire family to watch it with me at one time or another, even got my older sister hooked (would you believe she prefers GT over original DB and DBZ?).

Actually, it doesn't surprise me that she likes GT so much, because there are a few aspects of that show that I enjoy better than DB and Z.

gogetaSS · Post by **gogetaSS** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:46 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:I think DBZ is a better experience when watching with someone else. Hell, I got nearly my entire family to watch it with me at one time or another, even got my older sister hooked (would you believe she prefers GT over original DB and DBZ?). Definitly better than watching it alone IMO.

For a while, I actually preferred GT, mainly because for about 2 months I never knew DB and Z existed! At the time on Toonami, they were just showing GT, and then Z came back on, and I was thinking, " Woo Hoo! A new series!" o_O
It's strange because in the UK we got the original DB way after Z and GT.
I like to watch DB with friends, but they hate the Japanese dub, whereas I love it, so I'm kinda stuck.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:22 pm

gogetaSS wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:I think DBZ is a better experience when watching with someone else. Hell, I got nearly my entire family to watch it with me at one time or another, even got my older sister hooked (would you believe she prefers GT over original DB and DBZ?). Definitly better than watching it alone IMO.
For a while, I actually preferred GT, mainly because for about 2 months I never knew DB and Z existed! At the time on Toonami, they were just showing GT, and then Z came back on, and I was thinking, " Woo Hoo! A new series!" o_O
It's strange because in the UK we got the original DB way after Z and GT.
I like to watch DB with friends, but they hate the Japanese dub, whereas I love it, so I'm kinda stuck.

So you're relatively new to the series.

And by the way, the Japanese version is the original so you don't really call it the Japanese dub, a dub is when the anime is translated into another language.

Incase you didn't know.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:07 am

kenisu3000 wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:Hell, I got nearly my entire family to watch it with me at one time or another, even got my older sister hooked (would you believe she prefers GT over original DB and DBZ?).
Actually, it doesn't surprise me that she likes GT so much, because there are a few aspects of that show that I enjoy better than DB and Z.

'

Same goes for me acctually, but mainly the ending, I like GT's ending far better than Z's.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:59 pm

Great Saiyaman wrote:I like GT's ending far better than Z's.

You and me both, it certainly did what Z's ending failed to do for me, bring tears to my eyes (whilst Z's gave me a cliffhanger-like unfinished feeling). GT's end just gave me a more general feel that it was all really over. I think the Shadow Dragon saga summary on Wikipedia sums it up best, and for anyone whom hasn't seen GT's ending, I highly recommend reading that.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:49 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Great Saiyaman wrote:I like GT's ending far better than Z's.
You and me both, it certainly did what Z's ending failed to do for me, bring tears to my eyes (whilst Z's gave me a cliffhanger-like unfinished feeling). GT's end just gave me a more general feel that it was all really over. I think the Shadow Dragon saga summary on Wikipedia sums it up best, and for anyone whom hasn't seen GT's ending, I highly recommend reading that.

God! We're going to have to agree to disagree. The whole point of the Dragonballs, since they were created, was so that there's hope for the future. That's why DB ends opened like that, it's also why DBZ ends open like that. DBGT simply guaranteed that there will be no such hope in the future. Whatever happens is tough shits for the Earth. DBGT ended the story of Goku in a manner that goes against the very nature of the dragonballs' creation. If they didn't want Goku to be the hero so damned badly, they should have done what he wanted and had it left open for the next generation to be capable of saving the day.

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:02 pm

Which is why Neko Majin Z's ending should be adopted as canon by all fans.

Yup.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:33 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Great Saiyaman wrote:I like GT's ending far better than Z's.
You and me both, it certainly did what Z's ending failed to do for me, bring tears to my eyes (whilst Z's gave me a cliffhanger-like unfinished feeling). GT's end just gave me a more general feel that it was all really over. I think the Shadow Dragon saga summary on Wikipedia sums it up best, and for anyone whom hasn't seen GT's ending, I highly recommend reading that.

I disagree, and not for the point of being different, I have my reasons on why(for me) the Z ending does the job better for me.

GT's ending, for a start is very good, I found it very sad to see Kuririn all old, and that whole scene touched me a lot, how he says he's the only one that has changed, and Goku saying lets spar and Roshi being there, it's just a feeling of old DB memories, not to mention the piece of music in the BG, it's very nice. But it makes Goku too myterious, the boy we've known from DB, turning out to be some legend that we don't even know what ends up with him apart from he flies of on Shenlong and re appears on the GT special.

Anyway, bottom line, I like the Z ending better because it's not sad, it's a happy ending that leaves the opportunity for a future which is predicatable, Goku trains Uub, makes regular family visits, Goten and Trunks going to school, the Saiya-Jin blood in Pan and Bra beating up all the bullies etc. The life goes on normally.

To me, I prefer the Z ending because it lets the life of Goku carry on for us, but GT closes the doors completely. I don't really like it because of that.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:22 pm

I disagree, and not for the point of being different, I have my reasons on why(for me) the Z ending does the job better for me.

GT's ending, for a start is very good, I found it very sad to see Kuririn all old, and that whole scene touched me a lot, how he says he's the only one that has changed, and Goku saying lets spar and Roshi being there, it's just a feeling of old DB memories, not to mention the piece of music in the BG, it's very nice. But it makes Goku too myterious, the boy we've known from DB, turning out to be some legend that we don't even know what ends up with him apart from he flies of on Shenlong and re appears on the GT special.

Anyway, bottom line, I like the Z ending better because it's not sad, it's a happy ending that leaves the opportunity for a future which is predicatable, Goku trains Uub, makes regular family visits, Goten and Trunks going to school, the Saiya-Jin blood in Pan and Bra beating up all the bullies etc. The life goes on normally.

To me, I prefer the Z ending because it lets the life of Goku carry on for us, but GT closes the doors completely. I don't really like it because of that.

The GT ending was sad, Goku left, Piccolo went to Hell, Mr. Satan lived.

But with this sort of ending, it makes it impossible for Goku to return and save the day yet again, and leaves a new generation in charge of protecting the Earth, something that should have happened after Cell was killed.

Don't get me wrong, I love the ending of Z, but it just leaves a space wide open for something like GT to occur. I love all the DB series, and that in it self tells me that Dragonball will never truly end...(

That sure was corny...)

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:42 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote:
I disagree, and not for the point of being different, I have my reasons on why(for me) the Z ending does the job better for me.

GT's ending, for a start is very good, I found it very sad to see Kuririn all old, and that whole scene touched me a lot, how he says he's the only one that has changed, and Goku saying lets spar and Roshi being there, it's just a feeling of old DB memories, not to mention the piece of music in the BG, it's very nice. But it makes Goku too myterious, the boy we've known from DB, turning out to be some legend that we don't even know what ends up with him apart from he flies of on Shenlong and re appears on the GT special.

Anyway, bottom line, I like the Z ending better because it's not sad, it's a happy ending that leaves the opportunity for a future which is predicatable, Goku trains Uub, makes regular family visits, Goten and Trunks going to school, the Saiya-Jin blood in Pan and Bra beating up all the bullies etc. The life goes on normally.

To me, I prefer the Z ending because it lets the life of Goku carry on for us, but GT closes the doors completely. I don't really like it because of that.
The GT ending was sad, Goku left, Piccolo went to Hell, Mr. Satan lived. But with this sort of ending, it makes it impossible for Goku to return and save the day yet again, and leaves a new generation in charge of protecting the Earth, something that should have happened after Cell was killed.

Don't get me wrong, I love the ending of Z, but it just leaves a space wide open for something like GT to occur. I love all the DB series, and that in it self tells me that Dragonball will never truly end...( That sure was corny...)

That's the thing, since GT is all filler, Toriyama can still carry on with his story without GT even happening. It's up to him and it's his story, it's not as if everything in Dragonball has explanations, like how none of the movies fit in the story and nobody really cares, if a new story from the man himself is done, people won't care about GT either, it could be like one long movie.

Oh, and sad to say, but Dragonball is over, and it has been for a long time, those are the facts everyone has to face, sadly.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:05 pm

Bejiita wrote:GT is all filler

...... How? Filler is something creaetd by the anime to stall time inbetween manga segments. There is nothing in the manga that takes place after GT, so it's not filler. It's an anime-only series (much like "Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters GX", except, in that case, the mangaka actually did continue the series in a different vein from the anime)

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:38 pm

B-kun wrote:
Bejiita wrote:GT is all filler

...... How? Filler is something creaetd by the anime to stall time inbetween manga segments. There is nothing in the manga that takes place after GT, so it's not filler. It's an anime-only series (much like "Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters GX", except, in that case, the mangaka actually did continue the series in a different vein from the anime)

Obviously..you know what I mean though don't you?

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:00 am

Yeah, I know what you meant, I was just saying that to the general populace. It's quite funny/aggrivating it is to see someone quote a GT scene and someone reply with "Filler"

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:46 am

B-kun wrote:Yeah, I know what you meant, I was just saying that to the general populace. It's quite funny/aggrivating it is to see someone quote a GT scene and someone reply with "Filler"

Funny/aggravating?

That sounds odd to slash those two words together, they are complete differently mixed feelings which I find odd to feel simultaneously for some reason! I'd never laugh if I was pissed.

But anyway, me saying GT is filler is a quick way of saying 'it didn't happen in the manga' instead of saying otherwise, really it is sort of true.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:32 pm

Well, it's amusing, but it's also annoying.

... Dude, I don't make sense to myself.

Anyway, I know what you meant, but "Filler" isn't really the right term to use, since there's nothing for GT to fill. =/ And considering how long it took me to realise what filler meant, it could potentially confuse a sleepy me.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:34 pm

The term you are looking for, to define GT (and the movies) is "Non-canon".

GT, the Movies, and the Fillers are all Non-canon

The Fillers are their own entity, separate from GT and the Movies.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:38 pm

The term you are looking for, to define GT (and the movies) is "Non-canon".

GT, the Movies, and the Fillers are all Non-canon

The Fillers are their own entity, separate from GT and the Movies.

GT is canon, at least canon in the anime version anyway. There are tow canons: The anime canon (which includes DB-GT w/all your fillers and whatnot) and the manga canon (

I think the title explains it all.)