The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

I agree with Rocketman; if the fight continued one-on-one, Vegeta would most likely defeat the Cell Junior. If for no reason other than being so damn tenacious. Plus for the record, Daizenshuu #7 does say that the little jerks were equal in power to him.

As for Gohan vs Cell, I think Gohan was pretty much even with Cell's self-restrained Cell Games level, rather than just a step behind it like Goku. But even assuming that Cell doesn't or can't power up, I doubt Gohan would be able to win. Not only due to Cell's all-around superior skillset, but because... well, Gohan's not a very determined or effective fighter here without Super Saiyan 2.

[Michsi]

Cell Jr, I think.

Vegeta himself made me believe how hopeless it was simply because he kinda sorta admits it himself after getting hit once by one.

[asbereth]

Ginyu vs. Vegeta (after his zenkai against Recoome)

I don't know if this should go here, but I'm always wondering how strong he becomes after his zenkai against Recoome. Why should he be shocked by Goku's show of power against Ginyu when he would be shown later on to somehow match even first form Frieza (and even caused his scouter to blow up)? There didn't seem to be any major power-up or zenkai between his fights against Recoome and Frieza if I'm not mistaken, so after that zenkai (the one he received after Recoome), shouldn't he be at the same power level as when he was fighting first form Frieza?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Vegeta should be able to deal with Ginyu easily, but I'm not sure if he was as strong as Ginyu right after healing. Goku did say Jheese was someone Vegeta could handle, but that's about it. Vegeta was also focused on the idea of Goku and Ginyu beating each other once he flees, which tells me he wasn't as strong as them at that point.

Later, after Jheese sees Vegeta's Battle Power and crushes his scouter, he tells Jheese that his strength is constantly growing, and that he's starting to realize that his increase isn't a normal one, or something along those lines. That could be why Vegeta went from fearing Goku's power to utterly surpassing it rather quickly. His Battle Power was likely increasing steadily after healing.

So, at that point, I'd say he's stronger than Ginyu. At one point, I thought he only surpassed Ginyu once he took his quick nap.

[Rocketman]

Ki control is a mental game, and Vegeta had just gone a week without sleep. It's completely believable that a quick nap would let him get a better grasp on just how much power he'd gained.

[Saiga]

SS Future Gohan vs Piccolo (Android Saga, Pre Kami Fusion)

Future Gohan stomps this, I have him lower than Initial Trunks but still a lot higher than Piccolo.

SPC vs SS Goku (28th Budokai)

I don't think Goku at the 28th Budokai would be as strong as he used to be as a Super Saiyan 2, so Cell takes this.

SS Gohan vs Perfect Cell, Suppressed

SS Gohan takes this if he's fighting seriously. I think Goku's confidence in him winning was genuine, not just because of Gohan's ability to get rage boosts.

SS Vegeta vs Cell Jr.

Vegeta wins this, if it's only one of them. I don't believe they can regenerate. Also, Piccolo Daimao, I'd like to point out that it was only Trunks/Vegeta that could hold their own against them, not Piccolo as well. Unless you're counting the anime, of course.

Vegeta vs Captain Ginyu

Vegeta should take this, although not right after he recovers with the Senzu.

[mysticboy]

Sorry if this has been asked (too lazy to look through 88 pages).

Dabura vs. Perfect Cell

[Fox666]

SS Vegeta vs Cell Jr.

Vegeta wins this, if it's only one of them. I don't believe they can regenerate. Also, Piccolo Daimao, I'd like to point out that it was only Trunks/Vegeta that could hold their own against them, not Piccolo as well. Unless you're counting the anime, of course.

According to Cell, "Vegeta ya Trunks are barely fighting evenly" so I guess the Cell Jr. were still stronger than any of them.

[Kaboom]

Dabura vs. Perfect Cell

I figure Dabra to be about equal in power to Cell as he was against Super Saiyan Goku and Gohan, before powering all the way up after Gohan went Super Saiyan 2. So assuming Cell stays at that level instead of going up to full power and wasting Dabra easily... then it'd be up in the air, as Cell's wide variety of techniques clashes with Dabra's magic-based abilities.

[Silver Sinspawn]

Would Cell be wise enough to avoid getting spat on, or to remove a limb if it happens?

[Kaboom]

I'd say so. He's smart and perceptive enough to realize what's happening, and would be able and willing to rip a limb off and regenerate if necessary.

[Silver Sinspawn]

What if the spit came from behind? or mid regeneration?

[CatouttaHell]

I'm torn on this whole issue. On one hand I think Dabra might be even weaker than SSjin Teen Gohan as the latter held his own against him even though he was extremely rusty.

On the other hand I'm thinking Dabra could really be above SPC like Son Goku's comments imply and he was simply holding back massively, maybe because Boo's ball can't get all of Gohan's energy if he one-shots him or something.

That and I have Yakon and Pui-Pui so high nowadays that I'm forced to hax Dabra that much just to keep him above them.

I don't really think Son Goku's comment about Dabra being >>> Cell makes any sense, or Dabra having confidence in fighting them after knowing SSjin Goku's Kiri reading, unless he held back against Gohan.

I could be wrong but nobody has ever compared a character to another character's suppressed BPs unless said character had not used their full power yet.

[Saiga]

SS Vegeta vs Cell Jr.

Vegeta wins this, if it's only one of them. I don't believe they can regenerate. Also, Piccolo Daimao, I'd like to point out that it was only Trunks/Vegeta that could hold their own against them, not Piccolo as well. Unless you're counting the anime, of course.

According to Cell, "Vegeta ya Trunks are barely fighting evenly" so I guess the Cell Jr. were still stronger than any of them.

Oh I know, I was just correcting Daimao who stated that it was Piccolo, Vegeta, and Trunks holding their own when the statement was just Trunks & Vegeta.

And Vegeta's got techs like the Final Flash, so he should be able to take out the Cell Jr with something like that.

[Fox666]

Cell says that “Vegeta ya Trunks” are fighting evenly; ya is a non-exhaustive word for ‘and’, meaning the things listed aren’t necessarily the only things there are to list. In other words, Cell’s line doesn’t necessarily mean that nobody but Trunks or Vegeta are fighting evenly, just that they’re the first examples to come to mind

Technically Cell doesn't necessarily meant only Vegeta and Trunks. Of course he didn't necessairly meant there was someone else.

[Michsi]

Oh I know, I was just correcting Daimao who stated that it was Piccolo, Vegeta, and Trunks holding their own when the statement was just Trunks & Vegeta.

This has been discussed many time before, one of my "favorite debates"

The cover page for that chapter shows who was standing and fighting and who was down for the count . Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo were the only ones on their feet, and the "ya" from the "Vegeta ya Trunks " means Cell wasn't listing just the two of them. Considering that we pretty muchsee that nobody else was holding his own, the only other candidate is Piccolo.

Edit : too slow D:

[In Brightest Day]

Super Perfect Cell vs. Super Saiyan Goku at the 28th Budokai.

Super Perfect Cell is SSj2-tier, meaning that he'd wreck Super Saiyan Goku.

Hmmm. So you never see Goku as a Super Saiyan making it into SSj2 tier? Even right at the end of the series? Fair enough.

Realistically, how powerful do you see SSJ Goku being by the 28th Budokai?

[Rocketman]

I don't think regular ol' Super Saiyan Goku ever gets much stronger than he was at the Cell Games.

[Fox666]

The cover page for that chapter shows who was standing and fighting and who was down for the count . Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo were the only ones on their feet

This is the page in question:



It is not different of what we actually see in the rest of the manga.

the "ya" from the "Vegeta ya Trunks " means Cell wasn't listing just the two of them.

That's not true. It only means that it is possible for Cell having someone else in mind, nor certain.

Cell: “If you don’t show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta ya Trunks are barely fighting evenly… Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina…”

Considering Cell is actually being quite specific about Goku, I believe he didn't meant anyone besides Vegeta and Trunks. Also it's not the only instance which Cell refer to "Vegeta and Trunks" during the Cell Games.

Also it appears to me that Piccolo is struggling more than Vegeta and Trunks in the battle. Personally I don't think he is far behind Vegeta or Trunks, but I don't think he is equal to them either.

[Michsi]

That's not true. It doesn't mean that there was for sure someone else besides Vegeta and Trunks

I've asked somebody that knows japanese a little bit better than I do and the reply I got was that there is no other reason to use "ya". If you want to make it seem like it was just Trunks and Vegeta you use "to" (I hope I'm remembering the right particle.) Why would the author/Cell be ambiguos ?

And I know that Piccolo isn't as strong as Trunks and Vegeta either, but I don't see him having that much more trouble with his Cell Jr. than them.