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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by Nex Carnifex » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:41 pm

mustve gotten him confused with the monkey from power puff girls. Still, he's been growing in intelligence even before Goku was growing in power.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:01 am

I never view Dr. Slump canon to the series even if they crossover and are made by the same creator. I remember that the Earth was destroyed in Dr. Slump and return back to normal like a page later when Planets are destroy until they are wish back in DB.
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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by GreggMays64 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:29 am

The manga is the main canon. It is the primary canon. Now the anime is the secondary canon. It tells the same exact story as the manga, but with differences. The stuff you see in the anime only can happen in the manga, just depends on what it is. Like the Bardock special, or the Trunks special. Although, the Trunks special did happen differently in the anime, while we only just saw Bardock in the special. The Bardock special I would say still happened in the manga, but they're might be differences. I would consider most of the filler canon within the anime, and maybe some for the manga depending on what it is. The movies are meant to be looked at as a what if side story. One of the only fillers I would not say is canon is the Garlic Jr. arc because it is a movie put in the show. Now Dragon Ball GT is a what if continuation. It could still happen, well mainly in the anime. I wouldn't really call Dragon Ball GT not canon.

Fillers don't have a lot of plot holes like people like to make it out to be. Most of it comes from the English dub. That one guy from the After Life Tournament arc fight with Yamcha was hinted to be some sort of sparring match, where he isn't fighting seriously. Goku may be weaker than Bootenks, but Bootenks was toying with Goku. As I've said, the manga is the primary canon. The anime is a secondary canon. The movies, and Garlic Jr. arc are what if side stories. The what if side stories are still true to the character and their powers. I wouldn't really say Toei knows nothing about Dragon Ball, because Toei is usually told by Akira Toriyama if they're doing something wrong.

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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by Saiga » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:35 am

Only the manga, supported by guidebooks and interviews.
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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by OutlawTorn » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:27 am

What to consider canon is always a bit of a sticky issue in the case of fragmentation of manga, anime and movies but I go by whatever happens on screen (for the anime) or within the pages of the manga are canon. Basically, it has to happen in the 42 volumes of the manga or the 508 combined episodes of the anime. Yes, like it or not, under that criteria GT is included in the anime canon. The specials, as they expand upon the anime are included in the canon, while the movies aren't exactly clear. For example, it's difficult to reconcile Dead Zone with the beginning of Dragon Ball Z, while it's difficult to reconcile the Garlic Jr. saga (regardless of your opinion on filler, the criteria as laid out above includes them as part of the anime canon) without Dead Zone.

Therefore, things such as author's intent or stuff mentioned in interviews after the fact are not canon, even if they happen to come directly from the creator. So, if Mr. Satan was never referred to as "Mark" in either the manga or the anime, then despite being the name chosen by the creator it is not canon as there is nothing in the series to corroborate it.

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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by Bussani » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:16 am

GreggMays64 wrote:Fillers don't have a lot of plot holes like people like to make it out to be. Most of it comes from the English dub.
There are still a fair few caused by Toei. Villains having their bodies in the afterlife is probably one of the biggest...although the odd thing is that it wouldn't be a plothole at all if they'd left out the line from the manga explaining what happens to bad guys when they die.
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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by Saiga » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:23 am

GreggMays64 wrote:
Fillers don't have a lot of plot holes like people like to make it out to be.
Yes they do. They're riddled with plot holes.
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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by CatouttaHell » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:17 am

GreggMays64 wrote:Fillers don't have a lot of plot holes like people like to make it out to be.
I would agree that most of the filler in Dragonball and even early Z is pretty good but to say that there's not a lot of plot holes is just silly, no offence.

The Boo arc at least is filled with nonsensical filler that contradicts the manga at every opportunity.

Pure Boo is stated multiple times to be the strongest Boo and even overpowers Super Vegetto with a mere burst of his power, Mister Popo holds his own against Goten and Trunks, SSjin Goku one-shots Ultimate Gohan, etc.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:58 am

CatouttaHell wrote:Pure Boo is stated multiple times to be the strongest Boo and even overpowers Super Vegetto with a mere burst of his power
SSjin Goku one-shots Ultimate Gohan, etc.
Wait, WHAT?!
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by GreggMays64 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:49 pm

What I'm saying is the fillers don't have as much plot holes people make it out to be. They're still plot holes. But not as much as people like to make it out to be.

For example, Goku's battle with Bootenks. While in the manga, Bootenks only charged at him, the anime had them go in a brawl for a few moments. Actually, Bootenks was toying with Goku, and he was even having the upperhand on him.

Yamcha's fight with Olibu was hinted to be training, where Olibu is trying to train him along with that other guy.
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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by CatouttaHell » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:01 pm

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CatouttaHell wrote:Pure Boo is stated multiple times to be the strongest Boo and even overpowers Super Vegetto with a mere burst of his power
SSjin Goku one-shots Ultimate Gohan, etc.
Wait, WHAT?!
Yeah when he was in Boo's head, Son one-shotted a fake Ultimate Gohan who he said was as powerful as the real thing too (the Daizenshuu confirms his power.)

To make it worse, he fought almost evenly with him in base before that.

The Pure Boo/Vegetto thing is more open to interpretation but it's still just as ridiculous any way you slice it. He's stated by multiple characters to be the strongest Boo even when he's still suppressed to SSjin 2 Goku's level.

Gohan-Boo in the Anime is far below Base Vegetto, yet when he gets mad enough he powers up enough to scream the multiverse apart and overpower Super Vegetto.

Since the Anime apparently goes by the silly logic that all of Boo's absorptions weaken him/suppress his power, the most likely explanation (IMO) for that filler is that he was tapping into a part of Pure Boo's suppressed power.
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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by Saiga » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:29 pm

GreggMays64 wrote:What I'm saying is the fillers don't have as much plot holes people make it out to be. They're still plot holes. But not as much as people like to make it out to be.

For example, Goku's battle with Bootenks. While in the manga, Bootenks only charged at him, the anime had them go in a brawl for a few moments. Actually, Bootenks was toying with Goku, and he was even having the upperhand on him.

Yamcha's fight with Olibu was hinted to be training, where Olibu is trying to train him along with that other guy.
That's only how you interpret it though. It's got nothing to do with the dub.
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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by Rukura » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:31 pm

- Dragon Ball, Volumes 1 - 42
- Bardock TV Special
- Movies 12 and 13
- Jump Anime Tour Special

I kinda want to include Episode of Bardock, but with my own modifications to make it fit.

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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by Tyro » Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:35 am

Here's my very rough take on what makes up the canon realm that is Dragonball:
  • The Dragonball manga in its Kanzenban format.
  • Official guidebooks pertaining to the manga-verse. These include books such as the Daizenshuu and the Super Exciting Guides. If the guidebooks also cover materials pertaining to the anime-verse but they're not treated as one-in-the-same, it's acceptable. I wouldn't take what is said in Daizenshuu #3 as canon as it pertains almost entirely to the anime, for an example. But caution has to be taken when being introduced to information not present in the manga. I wouldn't put it past some of this new material to be incorrect (yeah, I'll say it: I think Gohan was a SSj against Dabra).
  • Inverviews/Statements from Akira Toriyama.
  • Grey area: The Bardock special,Yo! Son Goku and friends return!, and Dragonball Online. Not quite sure where I stand on these yet.
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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by Bussani » Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:38 am

CatouttaHell wrote:(the Daizenshuu confirms his power.)
Which section/Daizenshuu does that?
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Bussani » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:46 am

Ah, thank you very much. I looked around for it, but it never occurred to me they'd have their own entry in the human racial dictionary!
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Bussani wrote:Ah, thank you very much. I looked around for it, but it never occurred to me they'd have their own entry in the human racial dictionary!
Daizenshuu 7 has entries in the Human Racial Dictionary for loads of insignificant characters. The "aerobics woman", the "man who tries to support the Genki-Dama", the "slingshot kid", etc.
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Re: What Dragon Ball media do you consider canon

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:09 pm

, yet when he gets mad enough he powers up enough to scream the multiverse apart and overpower Super Vegetto.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:
, yet when he gets mad enough he powers up enough to scream the multiverse apart and overpower Super Vegetto.
Dragon Ball has a multiverse? Nothing really states that Dragon Ball has more then one universe.
*cough*trunksuniverse*cough*celluniverse*cough*timeline4*cough*rosatdimention*cough*
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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