Any Episodes/Movies/Specials you can't watch?

[DBZ Mick]

Although I do agree it goes on too long, I think if you cut out the filler with Pilaf at the beginning and some other bits, it's much more enjoyable. I liked the monkey stuff.

See, I adore the Pilaf filler. I thought it was genuinely funny and the fake wedding stuff was a super fun way to pop in on the Ox-King to see what he was up to. I'm super curious what you liked about that monkey episode. Maybe I'm just a dick with no empathy or something.

And I hated that Pilaf stuff, lol. Funny...

I don't know why I like the monkey stuff, I just thought it was fun, need to watch it again though.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I refuse to watch the Bardock dub. Why watch a glorified fandub, AMV, poor mans version of this TV Special? And this is coming from a guy who likes the Old FUNi Dub(Anything before GT to me is the old FUNi dub) Even the Big Green Dub(Which is horrible) was better because it had relevance to the topic at hand. And a very good Freeza voice. IMO at least. Akira Toriyama would fume if he watched this.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Akira Toriyama would fume if he watched this.

Or just shrug and say, "Meh. I still get money."

[AgitoZ]

Akira Toriyama would fume if he watched this.

This is all under the assumption that Mr. Toriyama can speak English, right?

[Cipher]

So, I just remembered Plan to Eradicate the (Super) Saiyans exists. I can't be alone when I say I'll probably never have an urge to rewatch either version of it.

[B]

Waching the original Dragon Ball series in Japanese has ruined the dub for me. I can pinpoint all instances where they threw in lines for the fuck of it, and it takes me out of the experience. It doesn't help the actors aren't that great and you can tell they're speaking juuust fast enough to fill any given silent scenes.

Dragon Ball Z, dub or not, is too slow and too poorly animated to sit through anymore. The Majin Buu arc is a lone exception. It's not any shorter or particularly better animated; I just like the arc enough where those problems are more negligible.

I have no desire to revisit any films that aren't 5, 6, 12, or 13.

[Attitudefan]

Waching the original Dragon Ball series in Japanese has ruined the dub for me. I can pinpoint all instances where they threw in lines for the fuck of it, and it takes me out of the experience. It doesn't help the actors aren't that great and you can tell they're speaking juuust fast enough to fill any given silent scenes.

Dragon Ball Z, dub or not, is too slow and too poorly animated to sit through anymore. The Majin Buu arc is a lone exception. It's not any shorter or particularly better animated; I just like the arc enough where those problems are more negligible.

I have no desire to revisit any films that aren't 5, 6, 12, or 13.

Picky person aren't you?

[Perfect]

Waching the original Dragon Ball series in Japanese has ruined the dub for me. I can pinpoint all instances where they threw in lines for the fuck of it, and it takes me out of the experience. It doesn't help the actors aren't that great and you can tell they're speaking juuust fast enough to fill any given silent scenes.

Dragon Ball Z, dub or not, is too slow and too poorly animated to sit through anymore. The Majin Buu arc is a lone exception. It's not any shorter or particularly better animated; I just like the arc enough where those problems are more negligible.

I have no desire to revisit any films that aren't 5, 6, 12, or 13.

Picky person aren't you?

I was thinking the same thing. :p

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Akira Toriyama would fume if he watched this.

This is all under the assumption that Mr. Toriyama can speak English, right?

Maybe he can but I know what he would say about the Bardock Special.

To Funimation
How dare you ruin my franchise by adding your bullshit and making a mockery out of me. You're downgrading my product. Why the hell are you downgrading my product!?

Sincerely
Akira Toriyama
鳥山明

[Saiga]

Akira Toriyama would fume if he watched this.

This is all under the assumption that Mr. Toriyama can speak English, right?

Maybe he can but I know what he would say about the Bardock Special.

To Funimation
How dare you ruin my franchise by adding your bullshit and making a mockery out of me. You're downgrading my product. Why the hell are you downgrading my product!?

Sincerely
Akira Toriyama
鳥山明

No, he wouldn't. First of all, the Bardock special wasn't even made by him, so it's not really ruining "his product". There's also no indication that he so aggressively defends the franchise like that, in fact he honestly doesn't seem to care what direction other people take it in.

[Eire]

Broli movies. I was was so excited about the idea of LSSJ that it's poor execution makes me cry.

[AgitoZ]

Picky person aren't you?

Care to elaborate?

[Attitudefan]

Picky person aren't you?

Care to elaborate?

Yes. He disliked pretty much all the movies just because there might be a certain error here or there. He's saying most of the series was too slow and poorly animated, which in other words, he means it outright sucked. I think this an unfair statement as I find Dragonball has some of the best animation to a weekly television show that was produced at the time and I feel it still holds up today (minus the digital art and effects but still)
He can only watch one arc from the entire series. He can't enjoy the rest because of nitpicky mistakes or drawings!

I can understand the hate for the dub though that B has. I find I am that way he is.

[AgitoZ]

He disliked pretty much all the movies just because there might be a certain error here or there.

I don't see anywhere in that post where he says why he wants to skip certain movies. And if errors is what he hates then I don't know why he would pick movie 12, since the baddies still have their bodies.

He's saying most of the series was too slow and poorly animated, which in other words, he means it outright sucked. I think this an unfair statement as I find Dragonball has some of the best animation to a weekly television show that was produced at the time and I feel it still holds up today (minus the digital art and effects but still)

Well, it kinda does suck. DBZ was still a weekly series and it suffered from that in both pacing and animation. It's bad compared to both the comic and other series. Don't get me wrong, I still like it, but I won't deny the flaws.

He can only watch one arc from the entire series. He can't enjoy the rest because of nitpicky mistakes or drawings!

Did you see the episode where Goku and Gohan come out of the RoSaT? DBZ can and does have some animation flaws that are most certainly not nitpicks.

[Akumaito Beam]

Nothing B said sounded unreasonable to me. Personally I enjoy the Z movies but I can totally understand why someone wouldn't like the majority of them. Movie 7 isn't unwatchable for me but it's pretty darn close.

Out of the context in which ithe series was made I wouldn't even say the "bad animation" or way too lengthy comments were uncalled for.

[Perfect]

For a weekly series, it doesn't have "bad" animation. People tend to confuse artwork and animation quite often, though I don't see how. The majority of Z's artwork is subjective to being good or bad based on the art studio that was drawing it it. I'd say most of the artwork was good, but when the artwork was bad there'd be good animation usually to back it up. An example is the episode after Trunks slices Freeza in half. We get that triangle artwork shit which just looks terrible, but the animation is fairly fluid. The pacing is a hit and miss, do you like drawn out scenes or extra added subplots? I do, but that's just me. The Freeza arc for sure has bad pacing, but I enjoy it; probably because of the type of fan I am.

Do I find it ridiculous someone can't watch prior episodes to Buu? Yes, very much so. The Cell portion of the anime was easily better with pacing and animation. Even Last House had some good as well bad artwork to show. What was bad would be less detailed characters that're heavily off model, but then a few minutes later we'd see very stylized artwork that'd actually looked good. If anything at all, the early portion of Z with the Saiyans, is very well paced and has few dips in animation and artwork when compared to the rest of the series. It has that more "Dragon Ball" feel to the style still. How anyone could prefer the Buu saga over that is beyond me.

[Attitudefan]

For a weekly series, it doesn't have "bad" animation. People tend to confuse artwork and animation quite often, though I don't see how. The majority of Z's artwork is subjective to being good or bad based on the art studio that was drawing it it. I'd say most of the artwork was good, but when the artwork was bad there'd be good animation usually to back it up. An example is the episode after Trunks slices Freeza in half. We get that triangle artwork shit which just looks terrible, but the animation is fairly fluid. The pacing is a hit and miss, do you like drawn out scenes or extra added subplots? I do, but that's just me. The Freeza arc for sure has bad pacing, but I enjoy it; probably because of the type of fan I am.

Do I find it ridiculous someone can't watch prior episodes to Buu? Yes, very much so. The Cell portion of the anime was easily better with pacing and animation. Even Last House had some good as well bad artwork to show. What was bad would be less detailed characters that're heavily off model, but then a few minutes later we'd see very stylized artwork that'd actually looked good. If anything at all, the early portion of Z with the Saiyans, is very well paced and has few dips in animation and artwork when compared to the rest of the series. It has that more "Dragon Ball" feel to the style still. How anyone could prefer the Buu saga over that is beyond me.

Thank you. I agree Perfect. The Pacing isn't as bad as everyone says. And as I get older it becomes even more enjoyable. I like the pace the anime goes, it's pretty good actually. It lets the viewer absorb everything that is going on.

I don't see anywhere in that post where he says why he wants to skip certain movies. And if errors is what he hates then I don't know why he would pick movie 12, since the baddies still have their bodies.

He says he'll only watch certain movies which means he's not going to watch any of the other ones.

Well, it kinda does suck. DBZ was still a weekly series and it suffered from that in both pacing and animation. It's bad compared to both the comic and other series. Don't get me wrong, I still like it, but I won't deny the flaws.

I've been watching many 80's-90's cartoons lately and as their art may always be pretty decent the fluidity and animation is pretty piss poor. Dragonball owns them in that regard. Last house was the worst in the Buu arc not the Saiyan arc so I find that odd to what B said.

Did you see the episode where Goku and Gohan come out of the RoSaT? DBZ can and does have some animation flaws that are most certainly not nitpicks.

In motion it is not so bad and that's Last house when they took a nose dive in quality. Before that they were really good. See Dragonball and Early Z. The movies though are amazing and I don't see what's the reason he hates them as their quality in art is awesome! Their first DBZ movie is so well animated, probably the best art and animation in the series

[Saiga]

Do I find it ridiculous someone can't watch prior episodes to Buu? Yes, very much so. The Cell portion of the anime was easily better with pacing and animation. Even Last House had some good as well bad artwork to show. What was bad would be less detailed characters that're heavily off model, but then a few minutes later we'd see very stylized artwork that'd actually looked good. If anything at all, the early portion of Z with the Saiyans, is very well paced and has few dips in animation and artwork when compared to the rest of the series. It has that more "Dragon Ball" feel to the style still. How anyone could prefer the Buu saga over that is beyond me.

I don't think he finds the animation and pacing of the Boo saga better, I just think he likes the saga enough to make it worth watching, unlike the Cell saga. That's how I feel as well.

[Perfect]

Do I find it ridiculous someone can't watch prior episodes to Buu? Yes, very much so. The Cell portion of the anime was easily better with pacing and animation. Even Last House had some good as well bad artwork to show. What was bad would be less detailed characters that're heavily off model, but then a few minutes later we'd see very stylized artwork that'd actually looked good. If anything at all, the early portion of Z with the Saiyans, is very well paced and has few dips in animation and artwork when compared to the rest of the series. It has that more "Dragon Ball" feel to the style still. How anyone could prefer the Buu saga over that is beyond me.

I don't think he finds the animation and pacing of the Boo saga better, I just think he likes the saga enough to make it worth watching, unlike the Cell saga. That's how I feel as well.

If that's what he means, then that's fair seeing that the Buu saga is much more whimsical whereas the Cell saga is more like a cinematic drama.

[AgitoZ]

SNIP

Okay...but how is any of that nitpicking?

For a weekly series, it doesn't have "bad" animation. People tend to confuse artwork and animation quite often, though I don't see how.

I guess I might as well comment on this as well. If bad isn't the word, then lazy could also work. There are many staring contests and static talking shots because it has a very tight budget. Like when high speed action is needed it mainly uses tricks to give the illusion of speed, reusing animation when fighting, etc.

And like you lightly touched upon that's only when comparing to weekly series, to others it's even worse.

Thank you. I agree Perfect. The Pacing isn't as bad as everyone says. And as I get older it becomes even more enjoyable. I like the pace the anime goes, it's pretty good actually. It lets the viewer absorb everything that is going on.

There's that bias again. Read the comic, watch other shows that aren't weekly series and see the snail's pace that is DBZ.

I don't see anywhere in that post where he says why he wants to skip certain movies. And if errors is what he hates then I don't know why he would pick movie 12, since the baddies still have their bodies.

He says he'll only watch certain movies which means he's not going to watch any of the other ones.

"I don't see anywhere in that post where he says why he wants to skip certain movies." All you're doing is assuming.

All you're other points I already touched upon. Of course DBZ looks better compared to crappier series, it doesn't make it any better.