New Book About Akira Toriyama - The Master of Manga

[MajinKing]

Are you talking to me?? If so then explain yourself beacause it is u who isn't making a proper argumentation

[Perfect]

While he does forget about Lunch, which I find funny if anything, she served her purpose and it's perfectly fine to forget or leave out characters.

[Eire]

No, when you want your characters out of sight and out of mind you put them on a bus. Other mankagas don't have such a problem with managing their own cast.

MajinKing, calm down and face the fact that making a situation when all characters are plain useless besides author's favourites is a next argument against calling him anything close to "master".

[Perfect]

Again, you fail to understand that forgetting a useless character being ill-mannered is subjective to preference. Master is also subjective, but many people believe him to be, including myself.

[Eire]

No, my dear. Just paying attention to such a details is subjective, while plain admitting to "forget" sounds very non-professional- especially comparing to other long-running series which authors managed to avoid that.

[Perfect]

But that's the thing, friend. A professional can openly admit his or her mistakes and get over it. I'm sure he had other ailments, deadlines in combination with his family and new ideas. The combinations are really endless, I have the utmost respect for someone that puts their family before their work.

[Eire]

Say it surgeon before appendectomy, he will surely be happy to leave you with open stomach to go to his daughter's school performance. Also get over it when he admit that he forget to put on some sutures:mrgreen:

Seriously I don't understand- what having family have to do with planning and finishing your work.

[Perfect]

Drawing a comic book and forgetting things due to being stressed out from deadlines and family is completely understandable. What's unprofessional would be to lie and say, "Nah, I uh just didn't feel like drawing her". He does what a professional does and openly admits his wrongs. Of course that's only one possible combination of why he forgot her. I'd like to think it'd be that or because he stopped caring about her and forgot for that reason.

[Eire]

So, Toryiama did something wrong? Wow.
Stress is not an excuse. If you are not able to deal with it and it prevents you from doing things right, change your work. Good for Toryiama that he didn't come out with that kind of excuse- that would be discrediting. Besides, it wasn't a matter of one chapter, but the work that lasted for years- you suggest that he wasn't able to find some time and think about his own work?

[Perfect]

I'm sure he did think about his work, but rather concentrate on what was important. Lunch would serve less of a purpose than Yamcha, which is pretty much nothing as it is. Collateral damage for #20, ya know.

Edit: Of course he's wrong, everyone is every now and then. :p

[Eire]

The problem is that you think they are more or less important things, while I'm sure that talented and skilled author can deal with everything. Absence of some characters isn't a thing that hurts eyes during first reading, but can be bothering while analysing work as a whole. Establishing a fate of a character doesn't need hard work- even old, good "he moved aboard/after that argument we are not in touch with each other any more" gives an impression that author keeps all threads together.

[Perfect]

I don't see how the absence of a minuscule character when analyzing work as a whole is bothersome, since it can be left open to interpretation with what happened to that character from a story perspective. It's not like he forgot about Piccolo or Goku.

[Eire]

Forget about Goku? You made my day During DB Goku grows like a tumour, swallowing everyone.

OK, let's explain what should be explained in my first post. Some people surely felt offended when I dared to say that Toryiama's place is not on the altar. Does the fact that one user here find his works incomplete affect your point of view? He managed to write some of the most popular and influential manga in history and I've never denied it. That doesn't change the fact that he made some mistakes- the fact if they affect the enjoyment of reading is questionable. Pairing him with mangakas able to maintain huge casts for years, develop the story before they start and making works from different genres shows that in terms of storytelling he isn't among the best. But does it matter? Do we have to put on pedestal everyone whose works we like? Why fans of Potter doesn't make a fuss about the fact that Rowling sometimes missed the point but discuss or admitt it and enjoy in spite of that?

[Saiga]

The thing is, he DID put Lunch on a bus. She went chasing after Tenshinhan. He just never brought her back because he forgot to.

[Perfect]

I wouldn't be surprised if Goku has a brain tumor under his hair somewhere.

Where some people have strong suits, others don't. Toriyama's a master for being able to take so many existing elements and creating a memorable story with memorable characters while at the same time being unique, such as Oliver says in the interview. He's a great, influential, unique and an epic story teller. Through his storytelling he even shaped the world's most popular and successful manga genre. Forgetting a useless character really doesn't add up to even so much as a dent in his title. While I can say, yeah of course he isn't the best to some, he's a master for sure.

I guess I'm just saying, while he isn't the best in some people's opinions and has flaws like many others, he is a master in the business and highly respected.

[Eire]

Poor tumour, he would be so lonely in Goku's skull.

Croquette for celebration of agreement?
But being myself I must wonder again: how the circumstances surrounding DB helped him? At least here DB had no concurrence with at best 10 TV channels and one newly born manga publisher. Everyone wanted DB because it filled niche between Donald Duck in every newspaper shop and French comics that were expensive and available mostly in special shops. Now Internet gives us opportunity to access everything possible in matter of seconds- is such a phenomena still likely to happen?

[Perfect]

That actually reminds me, I haven't eaten since this afternoon, so well over 12 hours ago...

I find Dragon Ball to be just that, a phenomena, especially when it comes to popularity. How it rose to popularity in so many countries is really astounding. I think it's a matter of it being so broad and unique and hitting at just the right time periods in each country, it's almost too convenient. Now with the internet access to everything online, I just don't know. If Dragon Ball just came out today, the internet could help spread it or backlash it and cause it to fall into oblivion.

@Michsi

I think he's the best in some forms of what he does and such alike. I find it to be a highly subjective term, but I see exactly where you're coming from. I don't think he's the best in the sense that an author is just hard to level with other authors, though I guess at the same time I do consider him the "best" seeing he created my most favorite series ever; but I also acknowledge other people don't think he is and adhere to their logic because it's their opinion and there's nothing wrong with that.

Felt this didn't need a post of its own so I edited it here.

[Michsi]

But I think it's anybody's right to chose to think that he is the best or amoung the best out of everything the've seen. I certainly believe so. Dragon Ball was the first manga I have read and because of it I have started looking for more. Out of , lets say, a 100 manga, there were maybe 4 or 5 I have acyually liked.
DB may not be the manga with the greatest plot ideas, the greatest art or whatever, but it's one of the best when it comes to entertainment and that's what matters the most.
And there are so many other important aspects. Toriyama is one of he best when it comes to telling the story in sequential art form. His character designs are very memorable, which is one of the most important things when it comes to characters. etc etc

[Michsi]

That's basically the point I was trying to make. The only time I'm a bit against such statements is when somebody hasn't really seen anything beside the work he is trying to defend.
I acknoledge that there are other great works out there, ones that deserve more fame than they actually get, but that doesn't mean the ones that do get fame don't deserve theirs.

Edit: But know it looks like I'm double posting

[Eire]

I just don't know. If Dragon Ball just came out today, the internet could help spread it or backlash it and cause it to fall into oblivion.

I think that wouldn't be so bad- I see that nowadays DB would end like One Piece or Berserk- recognisable in fandom, aired in countries that air an anime, manga published here and there, regular scanlations, stable fanbase with active own discussion boards, but there's no way that it could break into mainstream even for a short while.