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Never revived?

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:44 am

Like, Farmerwithshotgun and the sumo from Bojack Unbound, I'm sure there are many people who never came back to life. Did the Z Fighters just forget, or what?
I can understand that people are murdered every day, and that Dragon Balls shouldn't solve all lifes problems, but, do you think it was a little unfair that these people never got revived?
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Re: Never revived?

Post by Darkprince410 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:54 am

For some of those cases, it was a matter of not knowing and/or not having the ability to revive them by any means. For example, none of the Z Senshi knew of the farmer with the shotgun, so they wouldn't have had any idea that he died, thus wouldn't contemplate resurrecting them. Then there are all the people that Nappa killed (when he blew up the city that he and Vegeta landed in, etc) that were never resurrected because Piccolo was killed, and when the Dragonballs were restored, they were used to revive those that Freeza and his men killed on Namek, thus by the time they could be used again it would be too late to revive those he had killed.

I feel it was more unfair for those that Nappa killed to not be resurrected than for the farmer with the shot gun, but in both cases I can understand why they couldn't be.

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Re: Never revived?

Post by In Brightest Day » Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:08 am

Farmer with Shotgun wasn't killed. He just let Raditz go because he is beyond combat. Even Vegetto bows before his might.

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Re: Never revived?

Post by hleV » Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:39 am

In Brightest Day wrote:Farmer with Shotgun wasn't killed. He just let Raditz go because he is beyond combat. Even Vegetto bows before his might.
If Vegetto bows before the farmer, then Kui is the supreme ruler of... literally everything. He's above AT.

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Re: Never revived?

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:49 am

Then explain the sumo dude. They could have easily revived him, I don't think they even used the Dragon Balls in that movie.
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Re: Never revived?

Post by Saiga » Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:50 am

Silver Sinspawn wrote:Then explain the sumo dude. They could have easily revived him, I don't think they even used the Dragon Balls in that movie.
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Re: Never revived?

Post by SylentEcho » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:08 am

Yeah. Everybody knows the only sumo that matters is E-Honda.

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Re: Never revived?

Post by NitroEX » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:24 am

I've seen the Bojack movie but I don't even remember a sumo.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:04 am

Silver Sinspawn wrote:Then explain the sumo dude. They could have easily revived him, I don't think they even used the Dragon Balls in that movie.
Just assume that Movie 9 takes place less than a year after the Cell Games, so the Dragon Balls were inert. By the time they would have reactivated, the poor guy is out of sight, out of mind...
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Post by Jackal puFF » Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:47 pm

They could have wished the sumo guy back AFTER the movie..Offscreen you know?
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Re: Never revived?

Post by Scarz » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:00 pm

It always bugged me that the millions of people that Nappa blew up never got revived. I can understand forgetting a few people like Framerwithshotgun or the Sumo guy but an entire city is pretty hard to forget.

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Re: Never revived?

Post by Fox666 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:08 pm

There is the trunks driver Vegeta killed while fighting no.18...

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:23 pm

Scarz wrote:It always bugged me that the millions of people that Nappa blew up never got revived. I can understand forgetting a few people like Framerwithshotgun or the Sumo guy but an entire city is pretty hard to forget.
It all depends on if you believe Nappa still counted as one of "Freeza's men" when the wish to revive everyone "killed by Freeza and his goons" was made during the battle with the tyrant. Vegeta obviously lived and went on to betray Freeza by trying to kill him, but Nappa didn't really seem to do anything out of line, so its possible those people he killed on Earth were revived...
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Re: Never revived?

Post by Gonstead » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:52 pm

Fox666 wrote:There is the trunks driver Vegeta killed while fighting no.18...
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Re: Never revived?

Post by Cipher » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:30 pm

I forget. Did the wish to revive all those killed by Freeza's men specify "on Namek"? If not, it's very possible the city Nappa destroyed could have been restored, along with lots of off-screen aliens on other planets.

But the people killed by Androids 19 and 20 on Amembo Island are unequivocally never revived. Which kind of sucks because, you know, they could have stopped it from happening. (Of course without the power-ups gained during the course of that arc, either Cell or Buu would have destroyed the world, and ... logic and Dragon Ball and etc.)

Also, they probably didn't revive the sumo wrestler in Movie 9 because it's not their damn fault. They sometimes revive people killed en masse by a particular villain, or when it's their fault, but um, people get killed. They stopped the threat. The Red Ribbon Army no doubt killed plenty of people other than Bora, but Goku's not morally obligated to revive them just because he tangled with the Red Ribbons.

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Re: Never revived?

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:54 pm

... Did the aliens from the first Broly movie get revived?
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Re: Never revived?

Post by dantman » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:37 pm

Cipher wrote:I forget. Did the wish to revive all those killed by Freeza's men specify "on Namek"? If not, it's very possible the city Nappa destroyed could have been restored, along with lots of off-screen aliens on other planets.

But the people killed by Androids 19 and 20 on Amembo Island are unequivocally never revived. Which kind of sucks because, you know, they could have stopped it from happening. (Of course without the power-ups gained during the course of that arc, either Cell or Buu would have destroyed the world, and ... logic and Dragon Ball and etc.)

Also, they probably didn't revive the sumo wrestler in Movie 9 because it's not their damn fault. They sometimes revive people killed en masse by a particular villain, or when it's their fault, but um, people get killed. They stopped the threat. The Red Ribbon Army no doubt killed plenty of people other than Bora, but Goku's not morally obligated to revive them just because he tangled with the Red Ribbons.
I watched that part a little while long ago. I could almost swear I heard the wish NOT contain "on Namek" but when relaying what he did Shenron say "on Namek". Could use a double-check though.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:43 pm

dantman wrote:I watched that part a little while long ago. I could almost swear I heard the wish NOT contain "on Namek" but when relaying what he did Shenron say "on Namek". Could use a double-check though.
Dunno, I'm too lazy to check the manga, but this is what the Daiz has to say from Kanzentai:

7th Advent
The revived God collected the dragonballs, called forth Shenlong, and resurrected those killed by Freeza. Saichourou was also restored to life, and Porunga was revived again.
8 - "To restore to life all those killed by Freeza and his men."
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Re: Never revived?

Post by Cipher » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:21 pm

Silver Sinspawn wrote:... Did the aliens from the first Broly movie get revived?
Not that we see. If I remember correctly, he shot one blast at a group of them on the ground, but it wasn't really clear if they were killed or were just out of its radius.

He also destroyed their home planet, but it wasn't clear whether or not there were any of them left on it by that point.

Either way, they were all in a spaceship headed for Earth by the end, so it's obvious something had to be done with them. It's not hard to imagine them being revived/having their planet restored at some point in whatever alternate universe the movie takes place in.

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Re: Never revived?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:02 pm

Cipher wrote:I forget. Did the wish to revive all those killed by Freeza's men specify "on Namek"? If not, it's very possible the city Nappa destroyed could have been restored, along with lots of off-screen aliens on other planets.

But the people killed by Androids 19 and 20 on Amembo Island are unequivocally never revived. Which kind of sucks because, you know, they could have stopped it from happening. (Of course without the power-ups gained during the course of that arc, either Cell or Buu would have destroyed the world, and ... logic and Dragon Ball and etc.)

Also, they probably didn't revive the sumo wrestler in Movie 9 because it's not their damn fault. They sometimes revive people killed en masse by a particular villain, or when it's their fault, but um, people get killed. They stopped the threat. The Red Ribbon Army no doubt killed plenty of people other than Bora, but Goku's not morally obligated to revive them just because he tangled with the Red Ribbons.
But remember that, because Freeza and his men had killed so many people, they were only limited to those who'd died in the past year. But I don't think that Nappa was one of Freeza's men. Of course, there's argument for him being either Vegeta's partner or one of Freeza's men, since while we see Nappa working with Vegeta, we don't really see anything of Nappa's role pertaining to Freeza. But since we did see Nappa working with Vegeta to get the DBs for immortality, and the fact that Freeza later says that Vegeta went against his orders by going to Earth, I think Nappa wouldn't count as one of Freeza's men.

As for those killed by #19 and #20, I think that they were initially distracted by Yamcha. Of course, then #20 started blowing up the surroundings, but after the shit with the Androids went down, Cell, the bigger threat, came onto the scene. I think it's plausible that, within all that mess, they forgot about #19 and #20 and just went to revive those killed by Cell. They used the first wish to revive those killed by Cell, but before anyone could think of another one for the second one, Kuririn wasted it on removing #17 and #18's bombs.

And yeah, agreed. We only see Gohan, as the Great Saiyaman, actively stopping crime that doesn't directly affect him. But Goku and the others aren't superheroes. They're just martial artists who happen to get tangled in battles with villains who may happen to kill others around that time in the process. But they could've revived Dosukoi (the sumo) off-screen. If the Dragon Balls were still inert, then they may've waited a year for them to reactivate, and then, if they could still remember and/or care about some guy they didn't know who just happened to get killed by one of Bojack's men, they could revive him. But there's no use in showing us that.

Same situation for the truck driver that Vegeta inadvertently killed during his fight with #18. It's one guy that they don't know, care about it or will likely remember, and have no obligation to revive.
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