Kenji Yamamoto(No Kai) vs Bruce Faulconer(All)

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

So you're comparing Kenji Yamamoto's insert songs in Z and the video games to Faulconer Productions' entire score for Dragon Ball Z. Now how is that fair in anyway.

Since Bruce Faulconer is despised on this website and Yamamoto isn't as much, leaving out Yamamoto's Kai work will even the odds.

That's very untrue, there are tons of fans of Faulconer Productions' music. Plus with the music scandal, Yamamoto's reputation is tarnished with a lot of people. You can't use that to justify removing his work on Kai. There are people who hate a score, and people who like it.

Again, I don't see how it's fair to erase a large part of a composer's career when comparing him to another composer. There ARE tons of people who think Faulconer Productions' is better than Kenji Yamamoto regardless of his score for Kai. You're being unfair to both of them. Yamamoto because you're not willing to take into account (probably) the biggest thing he did while involved with the franchise. Faulconer Productions' because you are saying that they are incapable of comparison to Kenji Yamamoto without disregarding Dragon Ball Kai.

There was nothing fair about this topic.

I love Bruce Faulconer way more then Propoganda man. At least Bruce Faulconer can MAKE music!

[AgitoZ]

I love Bruce Faulconer way more then Propoganda man. At least Bruce Faulconer can MAKE music!

First of all, Yamamoto has a ton of tracks that are not ripped off of something. Even then, the many that do have some sections or entirely sound like another song aren't note for note copies.

Secondly, I don't think you know what propaganda means.

Lastly, thanks for completely missing Daimao's point.

[Son Gohan Daimao]

I love Bruce Faulconer way more then Propoganda man. At least Bruce Faulconer can MAKE music!

But I wasn't asking if you liked that. You're not giving me any proof that this is a solid topic. You did not even the odds for Faulconer Productions. If anything, you're taking Faulconer Productions down a peg or two.

[cRookie_Monster]

I love Bruce Faulconer way more then Propoganda man. At least Bruce Faulconer can MAKE music!

Sorry to nitpick on this...but it's important to me personally. It's pretty unfair to compare *Bruce Faulconer* to anyone given the small amount of music he's put out...

*Faulconer Productions* on the other hand put out like 9 CDs worth.

Note the name at the top of this page:
http://faulconer.com/dragon.html

Thanks to those who already make this distinction

[Saiyajin no Tatsujin]

So you're comparing Kenji Yamamoto's insert songs in Z and the video games to Faulconer Productions' entire score for Dragon Ball Z. Now how is that fair in anyway.

That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.

[AgitoZ]

So you're comparing Kenji Yamamoto's insert songs in Z and the video games to Faulconer Productions' entire score for Dragon Ball Z. Now how is that fair in anyway.

That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.

Which is...what exactly? That this topic is unfair?

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I love Bruce Faulconer way more then Propoganda man. At least Bruce Faulconer can MAKE music!

Sorry to nitpick on this...but it's important to me personally. It's pretty unfair to compare *Bruce Faulconer* to anyone given the small amount of music he's put out...

*Faulconer Productions* on the other hand put out like 9 CDs worth.

Note the name at the top of this page:
http://faulconer.com/dragon.html

Thanks to those who already make this distinction

I'mma just saying this to counter my old enemy 054martinm if he's on this site. Don't take it personally Scott! I know you did a good amount of the music but I'm actually saying this to protect you. I don't wanting martinm hating on you as well. Bruce Faulconer just happens to be the mastermind. Same concept as Kenji. He is the 'mastermind' but not the only person involved in 'his music.' If anyone should be critiqued it should be the mastermind.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I love Bruce Faulconer way more then Propoganda man. At least Bruce Faulconer can MAKE music!

First of all, Yamamoto has a ton of tracks that are not ripped off of something. Even then, the many that do have some sections or entirely sound like another song aren't note for note copies.

Secondly, I don't think you know what propaganda means.

Lastly, thanks for completely missing Daimao's point.

Most of his real music is off limits in this topic remember!? I said no KAI!

[cRookie_Monster]

I'mma just saying this to counter my old enemy 054martinm if he's on this site. Don't take it personally Scott! I know you did a good amount of the music but I'm actually saying this to protect you. I don't wanting martinm hating on you as well. Bruce Faulconer just happens to be the mastermind. Same concept as Kenji. He is the 'mastermind' but not the only person involved in 'his music.' If anyone should be critiqued it should be the mastermind.

That's fine if someone wants to hate on me The fact is most people don't know who did what. Even the four of us composers get it confused sometimes, especially since there were only a few weeks where all four of us were working at the studio concurrently. That's why I recommend referring to the organization instead (Don't refer to me lol! I don't always want to be associated w/the other guys' work...and I'm sure vice versa)

And yes, Bruce wrote the checks and was the one they approached to do the job. He even did some composing too! =D

[Son Gohan Daimao]

I still don't think you understand what I'm getting at. You are comparing a few video game scores and insert songs to a score for a 291 episode TV series. It's clear that this is unfair for neither Faulconer Productions' or Kenji Yamamoto.

I love Bruce Faulconer way more then Propoganda man. At least Bruce Faulconer can MAKE music!

First of all, Yamamoto has a ton of tracks that are not ripped off of something. Even then, the many that do have some sections or entirely sound like another song aren't note for note copies.

Secondly, I don't think you know what propaganda means.

Lastly, thanks for completely missing Daimao's point.

Most of his real music is off limits in this topic remember!? I said no KAI!

See that, you said his real music. Then what kind of comparison is this? This thread, along with a lot of your recent ones, barely make sense.

Comparing Faulconer's SSJ Theme to Chou Super Dragon Soul (not used in the same scene(s))

Comparing Gohan Angers to Spirit vs. Spirit

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

The guy steals from Disturbed for crying out loud! Also at the other guy who had a go at me for criticising Clinkenbeard, a lot of his 'Kai music' is also based of many blockbuster 2008-2009 songs like Terminator and Avatar so no this guy is not original and if he is it doesn't matter. Also I'm not unbiased anymore. I will be biased from now on!

[AgitoZ]

The guy steals from Disturbed for crying out loud! Also at the other guy who had a go at me for criticising Clinkenbeard, a lot of his 'Kai music' is also based of many blockbuster 2008-2009 songs like Terminator and Avatar so no this guy is not original...

Well, no. Some sound like exact copies, others don't. But that's not the majority of his work, especially not for Kai. A lot is still under debate about what's inspiration and just straight up ripping off.

...and if he is it doesn't matter.

If it doesn't matter, why bring it up? And it shouldn't matter either way, why should any of that affect what work you judge him on? You're not making a good argument for why we have to ignore that body of work or even the existence of this very theread. You're not being fair to either side.

Also I'm not unbiased anymore. I will be biased from now on!

Anymore? Okay, you do that.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

The guy steals from Disturbed for crying out loud! Also at the other guy who had a go at me for criticising Clinkenbeard, a lot of his 'Kai music' is also based of many blockbuster 2008-2009 songs like Terminator and Avatar so no this guy is not original...

Well, no. Some sound like exact copies, others don't. But that's not the majority of his work, especially not for Kai. A lot is still under debate about what's inspiration and just straight up ripping off.

...and if he is it doesn't matter.

If it doesn't matter, why bring it up? And it shouldn't matter either way, why should any of that affect what work you judge him on? You're not making a good argument for why we have to ignore that body of work or even the existence of this very theread. You're not being fair to either side.

Also I'm not unbiased anymore. I will be biased from now on!

Anymore? Okay, you do that.

The man's Kai soundtrack is null and void from this discussion! If you say Kenji Yamamoto's better cause of his music in Kai 1 point automatically goes to Bruce Faulconer. No Kai. You may use Head Cha La(yes he did the arrangements for this song so it's partially his), Battle Point Unlimited, Spirit vs Spirit(which he also arranged) and the music from the games. I'm being biased now. I should have done this from the start!

[AgitoZ]

I'm being biased now. I should have done this from the start!

No, you're being unfair at this point.

[Son Gohan Daimao]

The guy steals from Disturbed for crying out loud! Also at the other guy who had a go at me for criticising Clinkenbeard, a lot of his 'Kai music' is also based of many blockbuster 2008-2009 songs like Terminator and Avatar so no this guy is not original...

Well, no. Some sound like exact copies, others don't. But that's not the majority of his work, especially not for Kai. A lot is still under debate about what's inspiration and just straight up ripping off.

...and if he is it doesn't matter.

If it doesn't matter, why bring it up? And it shouldn't matter either way, why should any of that affect what work you judge him on? You're not making a good argument for why we have to ignore that body of work or even the existence of this very theread. You're not being fair to either side.

Also I'm not unbiased anymore. I will be biased from now on!

Anymore? Okay, you do that.

The man's Kai soundtrack is null and void from this discussion! If you say Kenji Yamamoto's better cause of his music in Kai 1 point automatically goes to Bruce Faulconer. No Kai. You may use Head Cha La(yes he did the arrangements for this song so it's partially his), Battle Point Unlimited, Spirit vs Spirit(which he also arranged) and the music from the games. I'm being biased now. I should have done this from the start!

This thread shows you were biased from the start. If you want this thread to have ANY meaning, then compare Kenji Yamamoto and Faulconer Productions' (not Bruce Faulconer).

The fact that Kenji Yamamoto was plagiarizing is irrelevant. We're judging the sound of the compositions, not the originality or the integrity behind it. If we were, we could start talking about how Bruce Faulconer took credit for songs he had not composed for Z since you seem to be using his name only and not referring to everybody else involved by saying Faulconer Productions or Team Faulconer.

I do not know where you thought you were going with this thread, but it tells us absolutely nothing about people's preferences.

On the side of Yamamoto: A few insert songs and a few soundtracks for video games. A large part of his career in Dragon Ball suddenly vanishes.

On the side of Faulconer Productions: His entire Dragon Ball career!

If there was anything you should have removed from Yamamoto, it should be the video game soundtracks and insert songs from Z. And let's not forget the fact that Yamamoto never scored the Buu arc for Kai, so why don't we remove Faulconer Productions' work on the Buu arc. Oh, but Faulconer didn't the Saiyan arc or the Namek arc, so let's remove that. Doesn't that seem less biased.

You screwed yourself when you claimed that you were being unbiased.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I'm being biased now. I should have done this from the start!

No, you're being unfair at this point.

Not really. I'm evening the odds. I know Bruce Faulconer is way more talented then Yamamoto could dream of being. Bruce Faulconer has won many state awards usually in the top 10 which means he's one of his states best musicians. Yamamoto on the other hand has to take it the next level and use other people works and make it look like his own when clearly it's not. I know Bruce is bankrupt, but still in the right hands he could have surpassed Kikuchi. You should be lucky. You will never see this come out a Japanese person's keyboard ever again. Or will you!? But still all is fair in love and war. Bruce Faulconer may receive hate but the Kikuchi fanboys and the Yamamoto fanboys don't realise Faulconer was not at his full potential. And you know what? You and them are scared to admit Faulconer's superior to Yamamoto aren't you? Bruce Faulconer is easily better then the other English composers and is only surpassed by Shunsuke himself. Call me a fanboy, hypocrite whatever, but at least I can see the good in people. All the Faulconer haters like yourself are just jealous that Bruce Faulconer's music is the reason DBZ is AS popular as it is now. The total population in which Faulconer's music was shown would total over 300,000,000 and I bet about 1/4 of all those people watched DBZ as kids and most of them loved Faulconer's score. In fact if we add the population of the UK and Canada that's about 400,000,000 so millions of people experienced Faulconer's work. I know Kikuchi's score has been listened to by about 50%+ more people, but when you type up DBZ soundtrack without typing up Japanese who dominates the pages? Need be no answer. I know this is a long reply and all but in all honesty, yes this is fair. I know this site is not one for the English Funimation dub fans, but rather for the Japanese dub fans and to them Faulconer is not the one whom the DB soundtrack really associated with, but I just want you guys to appreciate his music. This is also fair because you praise a talentless hack with only a few good songs, but a man who has won many regional awards(mind you Texas is bigger then Nihon) doesn't really cross your mind. His music may not be very classic however DBZ took off in the 90s and his music is very fitting for the times. He may have some crap music but most of it is far superior to Kenji 'The hack' Yamamoto. Oh well. There's my $2. Peace!

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

The fact that Kenji Yamamoto was plagiarizing is irrelevant. We're judging the sound of the compositions, not the originality or the integrity behind it. If we were, we could start talking about how Bruce Faulconer took credit for songs he had not composed for Z since you seem to be using his name only and not referring to everybody else involved by saying Faulconer Productions or Team Faulconer.



From my calculations there is a 99.(% chance that Yamamoto didn't compose all his music himself either! You see it works two ways. Unlike you, I ain't a Yamamoto hater. I'm just critiquing a guy who is loves borrowing music from Disturbed, Propaganda, Avatar, Terminator Salvation, Stratovarious and others. At least Faulconer and his team are original.

[Son Gohan Daimao]

Like I said, you are talking about the integrity of the composers, which doesn't mean jack.

You don't like Yamamoto, fine and you want to remove the only music he created for Dragon Ball that most people will remember him for, yet you are calling yourself UnbiasedDBZfan. That's a major contradiction, wouldn't you say?

From my calculations there is a 99.(% chance that Yamamoto didn't compose all his music himself either! You see it works two ways. Unlike you, I ain't a Yamamoto hater. I'm just critiquing a guy who is loves borrowing music from Disturbed, Propaganda, Avatar, Terminator Salvation, Stratovarious and others. At least Faulconer and his team are original.

Continuing to show heavy bias. Frankly, I don't care if Yamamoto was unoriginal (even though I know your theory about him not composing any of his music is bull), if I like what I'm hearing, than why should I care about its production. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm saying that in a thread where you want to debate on which music is more appealing, why talk about its production. The only that matters in this case is how it sounds and its placement. It's clear that you don't like Yamamoto and his fans, but let's not being completely unfair.

And how am I a Yamamoto hater. Everything I've posted suggests that I'm huge fan of his work (which I am).

When you get down to it, if you're critiquing a score, talk about its placement and how it sounds. When you're critiquing the composer, then you can talk about things like how original it is, or if the composer is bankrupt. Why the hell are you mentioning all these things about the composers when that's not what we're talking about?

And if you're not talking about Kai, why are you mentioning Avatar and Terminator Salvation. That's another major contradiction.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Like I said, you are talking about the integrity of the composers, which doesn't mean jack.

You don't like Yamamoto, fine and you want to remove the only music he created for Dragon Ball that most people will remember him for, yet you are calling yourself UnbiasedDBZfan. That's a major contradiction, wouldn't you say?

From my calculations there is a 99.(% chance that Yamamoto didn't compose all his music himself either! You see it works two ways. Unlike you, I ain't a Yamamoto hater. I'm just critiquing a guy who is loves borrowing music from Disturbed, Propaganda, Avatar, Terminator Salvation, Stratovarious and others. At least Faulconer and his team are original.

Continuing to show heavy bias. Frankly, I don't care if Yamamoto was unoriginal (even though I know your theory about him not composing any of his music is bull), if I like what I'm hearing, than why should I care about its production. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm saying that in a thread where you want to debate on which music is more appealing, why talk about its production. The only that matters in this case is how it sounds and its placement. It's clear that you don't like Yamamoto and his fans, but let's not being completely unfair.

And how am I a Yamamoto hater. Everything I've posted suggests that I'm huge fan of his work (which I am).


When you get down to it, if you're critiquing a score, talk about its placement and how it sounds. When you're critiquing the composer, then you can talk about things like how original it is, or if the composer is bankrupt. Why the hell are you mentioning all these things about the composers when that's not what we're talking about?

And if you're not talking about Kai, why are you mentioning Avatar and Terminator Salvation. That's another major contradiction.

No I meant you were a Bruce Faulconer hater! You're saying that I'm talking about other things like all the music he stole from but since that's the music he arranged I have to talk about them, because that's part of his accolades. Okay?

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Also even if I was a Yamamoto hater(which I'm not BTW) then it's only fair. You BF haters say what you say about Faulconer, but when a thief steals you justify it. Doesn't make sense does it? Exactly now you know how it feels doesn't it? People say Bruce Faulconer fanboys start flamewars that Kikuchi and Yamamoto suck, however you guys can be just as bad if not worse then them.