The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Fox666]

First Appearance: 10
He already has twice the power of an ordinary person. What's more, his body is tough enough to repel a gun bullet.

His natural toughness is regarded as a separate "bonus" trait on top of his Ki-based Battle Power. Makes a lot of sense.

I forget about that description. But I am not sure if it is regarded as a bonus or just additional information. I suppose the Ki is also a result of training your body, since increasing your muscle mass also raises your Ki.

Some people may think 10 is too low for Goku, but we don't have any real-life reference, so anything is possible. I guess it's because of the fans habit of creating "formulas" for battles, so Goku overwhelming strength over a regular human doesn't match what they know about a fight against someone with twice the battle power.

Perhaps "10" is based on the idea that Son Gohan should be able to stop Goku as an Oozaru, so his strength should be less than a tenth that of like Kame-sennin?

I agree, but it's a bit odd that Mr. Satan is the world champion yet he even early-DB regular humans can beat him with ease.

I agree. Fighters may be afraid of his fame. But the tournament announcer also said the level of the Budokai dropped since Goku and the others left.

It's funny to think that anyone close to super-human strength like Giran or Panput should be able to take Mr. Satan title.

[Senzu_Bean]

I agree, but it's a bit odd that Mr. Satan is the world champion yet he even early-DB regular humans can beat him with ease.

I personally believe Mr. Satan can defeat anyone that isn't above that human wall that Kame-sennin tells Goku and Kuririn early in the story. Since he is suppose to be the strongest ordinary guy around he would logically lose to Nam but guys below the human wall like Panput, Goku, Kuririn and Yamcha before they're trained by Kame-sennin, etc. would definitely lose to him.

[Fox666]

Well, before Goku and Kuririn trained with Kame they could break rocks with their hands and survive bullet shots, so I doubt Satan could do anything to them.

[In Brightest Day]

I agree, but it's a bit odd that Mr. Satan is the world champion yet he even early-DB regular humans can beat him with ease.

It's likely those fighters (King Chappa, for example) just left after the multiple beatings and witnessing fights that they couldn't even keep track of. For whatever reason, there seemed to be some ignorance from the fighters at the 25th Budokai. Whatever the case, there was clearly a massive decline in the quality of fighters by the time the 24th Budokai took place. Even Panpoot, who was likely the weakest of all of the notable Budokai fighters would probably defeat Mr. Satan.

I believe there is no official explanation regarding that battle power of 10. The battle power is also part of the "anatomy" for the matter.

Kuririn was shot at different times in those earlier parts of the Manga as well. I don't know if I really agree with that, personally.

I personally believe Mr. Satan can defeat anyone that isn't above that human wall that Kame-sennin tells Goku and Kuririn early in the story. Since he is suppose to be the strongest ordinary guy around he would logically lose to Nam but guys below the human wall like Panput, Goku, Kuririn and Yamcha before they're trained by Kame-sennin, etc. would definitely lose to him.

If we go by physical feats, Goku, Yamcha & Kuririn would have the strength to punch Mr. Satan's head clean off his shoulders even in their very first appearances.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Nam (21st Budokai) Vs. Mr. Satan (Cell Games)

Mr. Satan has a reputation for winning the Budokai, but how strong is he? Mr. Satan is afraid of bullets, something Kid Goku endured. Nam was able to hold his own against Kid Goku for a while.

Namu held his own against Goku, the guy who'd tanked bullets with little damage eight months prior, and even almost knocked him unconscious. Mr. Satan was downed by one bullet and needed Boo to heal him. Namu stomps, without a doubt.

The only reason Mr. Satan won the 24th TB was because the Z-Warriors and other super-strong guys weren't participating, so he was probably just going up against your average-joe martial artists and happened to win. The undeserved hype that he got was a gag, but in-universe, it's likely that the Earthlings had merely forgotten the far superior guys at the previous tournaments (only the King recognized Goku and Piccolo).

[Silkman3003]

What about..

Ssj Vegeta(Cell Saga. Post Rosat. When he first met 2nd form Cell)

Vs

Imperfect Cell Post Human absorption. Obviously not 2nd form cell

If Vegeta stomps. Make it Semi Perfect Cell >.>

[Kid Buu]

What about..

Ssj Vegeta(Cell Saga. Post Rosat. When he first met 2nd form Cell)

Vs

Imperfect Cell Post Human absorption. Obviously not 2nd form cell

If Vegeta stomps. Make it Semi Perfect Cell >.>

Post RoSaT defeated Semi-Perfect Cell, who is stronger then Imperfect Cell.

[Silkman3003]

I mean regular ssj Vegeta.(but after the first Rosat) Not Assj/Ussj Vegeta

[Fox666]

Probably Vegeta would win, No.16 seemed quite impressed with Vegeta power at the time.

[FNF]

SSjin Vegeta and Initial 2nd form Cell should be at the least close to each other. c16 thought that he may have a chance against Cell and Trunks was questioning Vegeta going SSjin g2 off the bat.

It's pretty much;

SSjin Vegeta>/~Initial 2nd form Cell>>Imperfect Cell (post mass human absorption).

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Vegeta wins easily. Android #16 is only ok with the idea of fleeing once Vegeta and Cell engage in combat. Since he went from considering Cell as the most powerful in the universe to believing Vegeta is able to fight him after powering-up since the last time, I'm sure Imperfect Cell would be nothing more than a weak test dummy.

Trunks seemed to be surprised at Vegeta's decision to transform early, so I think Vegeta can take Semi-Cell at that point. However, I believe Semi-Cell at full-power would scrap Super Saiyan Vegeta.

[Kaboom]

Imperfect/1st-form Cell gets his spindly exoskeleton spanked.

After that... I'd say Semiperfect Cell's full power (remember, he didn't pull that out until after Vegeta was beating on him) would be a bit too much for Vegeta to overcome without using SSj Grade 2.

[CatouttaHell]

Nutt vs. Redjic

Nutt being the member of Mega Cannon Sigma that was killed by Pan.

[Piccolo Daimao]

What about..

Ssj Vegeta(Cell Saga. Post Rosat. When he first met 2nd form Cell)

Vs

Imperfect Cell Post Human absorption. Obviously not 2nd form cell

If Vegeta stomps. Make it Semi Perfect Cell >.>

Yeah, I think SSj Vegeta post-Rosat would stomp Imperfect Cell pretty easily, if he doesn't cockily drop his guard and allow Cell to absorb his ki.

But against semi-perfect Cell, I think that once the big bug pulled out his full power, Vegeta would be finished.

How about Son Goku vs. Vegeta in an eating contest? And Bulma vs. bad Lunch. They can still use technology, weapons and whatnot.

[Hellspawn28]

Round 1: Buu Saga Piccolo with weighted clothing vs. Pui Pui.

Round 2: Buu Saga Piccolo without weighted clothing vs. Pui Pui.

I'm not sure if this battle already been posted already but who wins?

[Kaboom]

Pui Pui is a joke. A joke that Piccolo finds immensely funny as he, weighted or not, effortlessly turns said joke into a small pile of smoking cinders.

[Saiga]

I think Piccolo would probably win, as Vegeta destroyed him easily. I think Kaioshin overestimated Pui Pui a lot.

[Fox666]

I will give this to Piccolo, despite some inconsistencies regarding his strength in the Boo saga.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Lol, Piccolo wins both scenarios with ease. I don't think Pui-Pui is that strong anymore.

[In Brightest Day]

Weighted Piccolo turns the less competent Ginyu into dust with a mere look. Pui Pui is pathetically weak, IMO.