The controversy about Gohan Angers and Spirit vs Spirit

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I don't hate it, its a good song, I just don't think it fits as much as Gohan Angers is more fitting because Gohan is in a rage, yet Spirit vs Spirit is a song that sounds to pure sounding, too I'm not angry that Cell is doing these bad things.

Again, have you looked at the lyrics? Second, that's not the entire point of the scene. Yes, Gohan is angry. But he's also scared, confused, and a variety of other emotions. The scene marks where he lets it all out. He doesn't just want/have to defeat Cell, he also wants to protect his friends and his home planet.

Hell, it's that same anger that leads to more people dying.

And of course I'm unbiased I respect all controversial versions of Dragon Ball especially the Japanese version as I grew up with that as a kid as I did with the 2 other controversial versions are also special to me also. Just saying why would I defeat the purpose of my name?

...I respect all controversial versions of Dragon Ball especially the Japanese version as I grew up with that as a kid as I did with the 2 other controversial versions are also special to me also.

PS: What the hell are controversial versions?

Controversial versions are the Ocean/Westwood Dub which is the only dub besides the Funimation dub to use different music. The Funi dub for obvious reasons and the Japanese version because of Kai and Toei and a lot of thing that would take me 100 years to complete listing.

[Rukura]

I mean go to Gohan Japanese SSJ2 Theme on Youtube and that is what I mean by controversial. I ain't lying proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD9OtJqog08

That is the complete version of the theme. Okay? It's a song, not a controversy.

I don't intend on trolling the forum, I ain't a troll. And no I didn't know that. I thought bias meant being against something I.E 054martinm failconer's techno, rock bs destroyed the english dbz dub with never ending ending music and unfitting choices. I.E Goku turning SSJ. I.E where example is hating on faulconer and only saying bad thing about him, never being fair and all.

When you're against something, you're biased. When you're saying you prefer something over something else...you're also being biased. When you say you like both...STILL being biased.
.....You're just NOT unbiased, like everybody else.

Controversial versions are the Ocean/Westwood Dub which is the only dub besides the Funimation dub to use different music. The Funi dub for obvious reasons and the Japanese version because of Kai and Toei and a lot of thing that would take me 100 years to complete listing.

Still not "controversial". Just how it worked back then. Companies changed shows almost completely all the time. Dragon Ball Z just so happened to walk the line between the time when it was still done and when people started using the internet (or getting VHS fansubs and raw tapes, as is the case for many in this forum)

[VegettoEX]

And for the record, a bunch of illiterate children spouting nonsense in YouTube comments while using their mommy's laptop does not count as "controversy" .

[Rukura]

Oh, he was refering to the comments? Wow...I'm done lol

[kei17]

I heard that there had been a mixed reception for the transformation scene even in Japan during the original run. I read a post on 2ch saying some people were bitching about the song and the flying bird in letters columns in anime magazines.

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

I heard that there had been a mixed reception for the transformation scene even in Japan during the original run. I read a post on 2ch saying some people were bitching about the song and the flying bird in letters columns in anime magazines.

What exactly have they said about it?

[kei17]

I heard that there had been a mixed reception for the transformation scene even in Japan during the original run. I read a post on 2ch saying some people were bitching about the song and the flying bird in letters columns in anime magazines.

What exactly have they said about it?

I don't remember it well, but it was like "That unrelated bird ruins the tense feeling, and playing an insert song is kinda retarded."

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

Well, can't please everyone, I suppose.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I mean go to Gohan Japanese SSJ2 Theme on Youtube and that is what I mean by controversial. I ain't lying proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD9OtJqog08

That is the complete version of the theme. Okay? It's a song, not a controversy.

I don't intend on trolling the forum, I ain't a troll. And no I didn't know that. I thought bias meant being against something I.E 054martinm failconer's techno, rock bs destroyed the english dbz dub with never ending ending music and unfitting choices. I.E Goku turning SSJ. I.E where example is hating on faulconer and only saying bad thing about him, never being fair and all.

When you're against something, you're biased. When you're saying you prefer something over something else...you're also being biased. When you say you like both...STILL being biased.
.....You're just NOT unbiased, like everybody else.

Controversial versions are the Ocean/Westwood Dub which is the only dub besides the Funimation dub to use different music. The Funi dub for obvious reasons and the Japanese version because of Kai and Toei and a lot of thing that would take me 100 years to complete listing.

Still not "controversial". Just how it worked back then. Companies changed shows almost completely all the time. Dragon Ball Z just so happened to walk the line between the time when it was still done and when people started using the internet (or getting VHS fansubs and raw tapes, as is the case for many in this forum)

Kinda is when there are only 2 versions of DBZ that stick out like a sore thumb. Even the Euro-Portuguese version kept the music and that dub weren't any better then either Ocean or Funi(No offence BTW) In fact people from Brazil bash the Euro-Portuguese version just for the sake that their Portuguese dub was better(That Brazilian dub was one of the best dubs for the record.) Also the German version somewhat changed the soundtrack, but also kept the real score as well so I don't really count the German dub as changing the music.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

I heard that there had been a mixed reception for the transformation scene even in Japan during the original run. I read a post on 2ch saying some people were bitching about the song and the flying bird in letters columns in anime magazines.

What exactly have they said about it?

I don't remember it well, but it was like "That unrelated bird ruins the tense feeling, and playing an insert song is kinda retarded."

Wow and people bash the monologue of Gohan in the Westwood/Funimation Dubs(Not that they shouldn't anyway)

[kei17]

Well, can't please everyone, I suppose.

Though I don't agree with them, I still understand why they didn't like the use of the insert song. Playing insert songs feels sort of kid-friendly like Disney cartoons, and does not perfectly go well with the serious atmosphere in Z. I also do remember seeing many Japanese DB fans bitching about insert songs in Kai. They were arguing that such songs made the show seem to be aimed at young children (I think it really was, anyway.)

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The Japanese DBZ version of Gohan becoming SSJ2 is and will always be my favorite scene.

[Son Gohan Daimao]

I don't understand this ignorant notion that Spirit vs. Spirit is pure sounding or sounds like a generic J-pop song. I agree with what VegettoEX said, it does embody shonen determination. If you actually looked at the lyrics, you would realize how dark this song is. Just because it has a beat and it has vocals doesn't mean it's some generic J-pop song.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Spirit vs Spirit was perfect for the scene. "Final Boss, Villain has gotten away with too much, I'm scared as hell, and I won't stand for it" - or something along those lines, I haven't heard the lyrics in a while. I forget where Gohan Angers was actually used, but it sounds much more like something to play when the Z Fighters realized that he had momentarily become a mini-Vegeta.

[dbboxkaifan]

In fact people from Brazil bash the Euro-Portuguese version just for the sake that their Portuguese dub was better.

Frankly, those YouTube Brazilian DBZ tryhards bitch about everything, if they don't like the Portuguese Portugal version don't bother watching, hearing or commenting.

Hell, they bring out crap that doesn't even relate to Dragon Ball Z like:

"erm, our portuguese is better then yours"
"our women is better then yours"
"u suck ma dick"
"this dub is such a fail kkkkkkkkkkkkkk"
"dragon ball z z z a energia kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk"
"u suck foar slevering ouar countreh"

Eh, retarded shit like I said. And talk about the Japanese overusing the letter "k".

Yes the Brazilian Portuguese dub is better than the Portuguese Portugal dub but still inferior to the original Japanese.

I remember watching a BR DBZ Dub episode where they called Trunks as "Trenks".

A lot of those flaws on the Portuguese Portugal DBZ dub are thanks to the French version (AB Groupe), but for nostalgic reasons a lot of fans despise the mistakes.

YouTube comments and the logic they've got...

[Fionordequester]

I've taken a look at the lyrics, and honestly, it's not that dark. It mentions "a bloodthirsty beast", but even that's only in reference to how much Gohan's going to open up a can of smackdown on Cell's rear.

I guess I can get the argument that it represents Gohan's rage though, so if you want to say that it fits...I guess I can't really argue with you, but I still think the melody itself sounds too upbeat. If the point is "hopeful sadness", then I think something like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WDPgh1nKdw

... better represents the rage and sadness Gohan is feeling while giving it a tinge of hopefulness at the same, especially towards the end. But then, I'm a bit of a sucker for guitars, admittedly, so take this as you will.

[Silkman3003]

I've taken a look at the lyrics, and honestly, it's not that dark. It mentions "a bloodthirsty beast", but even that's only in reference to how much Gohan's going to open up a can of smackdown on Cell's rear.

I guess I can get the argument that it represents Gohan's rage though, so if you want to say that it fits...I guess I can't really argue with you, but I still think the melody itself sounds too upbeat. If the point is "hopeful sadness", then I think something like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WDPgh1nKdw

... better represents the rage and sadness Gohan is feeling while giving it a tinge of hopefulness at the same, especially towards the end. But then, I'm a bit of a sucker for guitars, admittedly, so take this as you will.

I love that theme. I believe someone did a version with struggle of sadness+ "sad song"

The only thing that's pisses me off about struggle of sadness is the fact on all YT videos i've heard, you can hear the footsteps. In fact, I don't think i've come across a struggle of sadness "theme on youtube that didn't have the footsteps at all .

Bah, looks like I'll need to create a rip myself.(without the footsteps)

[Fionordequester]

Cool. Could you also try to rip the song that plays in this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAakkNy1-ms

...while you're at it please?

[Silkman3003]

Cool. Could you also try to rip the song that plays in this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAakkNy1-ms

...while you're at it please?

Actually, the legendary Epic Blargman already did that rip. And it's a decent rip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M6RGkuSNqk



Edit: What I plan on doing is getting the YYH blu-ray's. Since the YYH Blu-Ray's have 5.1 audio, then it's a matter of cutting parts that dont contain Sfx. And combining them with others that don't contain Sfx. Voices/Voice distortions wont be much of an issue, as the voices are on a completely different track.

[Gonstead]

Personally, I think Heroic Face-Off works well for Gohan's SSj2 scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJXkqfGGgJg