Who's the mother of Son Goku, Seripa?

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Re: Who's the mother of Son Goku, Seripa?

Post by Eire » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:42 pm

Excuse me, but
NO MORE DEATH BY CHILDBIRTH IN DB UNIVERSE!
That's just pure madness that this cliché is so popular among ff writers, that they throw it as easy as most of the dictators give death sentence. I know that it used to be popular method to kick mother away, but the facts are that lowering the death by childbirth rate was the matter of washing hands before midwife or doctor start to act (especially if he had touched corpses before). Holy Grail, they have modern looking hospitals! They have healing tanks, but you think that they can't stop haemorrhage or preform modern CS? For warrior race saving woman fighting herself and giving birth to nest generation would be the first one to be given the place in it.
And no, death by childbirth doesn't mean that woman kissed child, whispered last words and passed away in silence. It was always awfully bloody and smelly beyond imagination of most people accompanied by horrible pain and long agony.
Pregnancy isn't a disease, giving birth is a normal process that female are suitable for, so find another way to get rid of unwanted mums.

Sorry, but that cliché is my private berserk button no matter where.

Back to the topic I doubt if Sayians behaved in one pattern. We all have cultural codes, but even so our behaviour vary between different norms. I'd see them relying on matchmakers who would work comparing family trees, social status and psychical factors and arrange short lasting marriages. In my unborn ff the children belonged to family of the stronger mate, who had a dominate position. After some years such unions would be automatically finished, but there would be stories about those who stayed longer with each other or even renegotiated contracts (that happened to Bardock, but no-one knew the reasons) :wink: Oh, and King was married to his throne, young Vegata's mother was chosen by his advisor, but her identity were kept in secret, even from the child. I find that more suitable and interesting than typical imagination of marriage.
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Re: Who's the mother of Son Goku, Seripa?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:18 pm

I actually knew nothing of the childbirth cliche in fanfics until you brought up. I was just suggesting it as one of the possible options of what happened to her. Personally, I think that she was just a random Saiyan woman Bardock knocked up one night, and then she later died in Freeza's attack.
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Re: Who's the mother of Son Goku, Seripa?

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:49 pm

I heard a couple theories a while back. One is that Saiyans have designated breeders and fighters. The theory went that is a women was infertile, she was to go fight, and if not, she was to get pregnant and give birth.
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Re: Who's the mother of Son Goku, Seripa?

Post by Rocketman » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:18 am

Eire wrote:Pregnancy isn't a disease, giving birth is a normal process that female are suitable for, so find another way to get rid of unwanted mums.
To a point, yes, but the gigantic brains humans evolved make giving birth much more dangerous for us than other species.

That is of course outweighed by the futuristic medical tech, so I wager Goku's mom got killed when planet Vegeta blew up.

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Re: Who's the mother of Son Goku, Seripa?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:47 pm

Silver Sinspawn wrote:I heard a couple theories a while back. One is that Saiyans have designated breeders and fighters. The theory went that is a women was infertile, she was to go fight, and if not, she was to get pregnant and give birth.
I disagree with that completely. Doesn't Daizenshuu 7 say that all Saiyans are soldiers that fight? Since they're a warrior race?
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Re: Who's the mother of Son Goku, Seripa?

Post by Eire » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:09 pm

Moreover dividing society into two groups would not make much sense: do you send to fight the best, letting the weaker breed or leave the stronger to breed, hoping the rest will be good enough.
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Re: Who's the mother of Son Goku, Seripa?

Post by Pieter » Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:51 pm

There's a reference to Goku's mother in the Manga. Raditz says "Planet Vegeta exploded from a collision with a gigantic meteorite…Almost all of the Saiyans vanished into space dust…Including our father and mother".

So both Goku's parents were murdered by Freeza.

Seripa was murdered when Bardock's gang was massacred, but Raditz probably never knew. Then again there's no indication whatsoever that Seripa is the mother of Goku.

Goku however never cared about his biological parents, just like he didn't care about Raditz being his brother. The only parent Goku had was Grandpa Gohan.
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