Could have Future Gohan been wished back?
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Could have Future Gohan been wished back?
Is it possible that when Future Trunks went back in time he could have used the Dragonball's to wish the Gohan of his timeline back? And if so, would that have meant Gohan would have been wished back to where he was killed in the future?
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I'm going to say no? Dragon Balls can obviously use their power to affect alternate dimensions/planes of reality/realms/whatever, as they often use the to revive the dead and such. But I highly doubt their power can cross into alternate timelines/universes, seems like something that is "beyond the power of their creators".In Brightest Day wrote:Is it possible that when Future Trunks went back in time he could have used the Dragonball's to wish the Gohan of his timeline back? And if so, would that have meant Gohan would have been wished back to where he was killed in the future?
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What if Trunks took the dragon balls with him to the alternate future?TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I'm going to say no? Dragon Balls can obviously use their power to affect alternate dimensions/planes of reality/realms/whatever, as they often use the to revive the dead and such. But I highly doubt their power can cross into alternate timelines/universes, seems like something that is "beyond the power of their creators".In Brightest Day wrote:Is it possible that when Future Trunks went back in time he could have used the Dragonball's to wish the Gohan of his timeline back? And if so, would that have meant Gohan would have been wished back to where he was killed in the future?
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The problem is, if they don't work after the creator dies, would it work if the creator is in another dimension?
Of course if Goku wasn't dead he could go along and teleport to Namek...
Of course if Goku wasn't dead he could go along and teleport to Namek...
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Re: Could have Future Gohan been wished back?
I think Shenlong would have a hard time popping out of his model and through the Dragon Balls with an alternate universe/timeline standing in his way.Gonstead wrote:What if Trunks took the dragon balls with him to the alternate future?
The only way I could see it working is if Trunks took Dende, the Dragon Balls and the model with him to his future.
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I still want to know why they just didn't use the Namekian dragonballs in Trunks timeline. Bulma could of used a ship to get there or they could of contacted Namek through King Kai or whatever, being dead didn't stop Goku from talking to the living when Cell killed him. And why don't they have a communication device set up at New Namek? They could of had Goku take one there.Fox666 wrote:The problem is, if they don't work after the creator dies, would it work if the creator is in another dimension?
Of course if Goku wasn't dead he could go along and teleport to Namek...
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Because Goku died naturally, it was no longer his business.
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Yeah going to New namek would seem the most plausible option to me. But maybe by the time they were up to it, Gohan had been dead too long already. But hey nothing says they didn't do it right? We didn't see the future of the future.dario03 wrote:I still want to know why they just didn't use the Namekian dragonballs in Trunks timeline. Bulma could of used a ship to get there or they could of contacted Namek through King Kai or whatever, being dead didn't stop Goku from talking to the living when Cell killed him. And why don't they have a communication device set up at New Namek? They could of had Goku take one there.Fox666 wrote:The problem is, if they don't work after the creator dies, would it work if the creator is in another dimension?
Of course if Goku wasn't dead he could go along and teleport to Namek...
Re: Could have Future Gohan been wished back?
I think a thread was created a while ago regarding restrictions of Dragon Ball wishes, and I believe it was never really stated that Porunga could not revive people that have died for too long (I think the only restriction with bringing people back to life was just that they didn't die of natural causes). And of course the technology might simply not be there to reach the New Namek. After all, Bulma herself said that it would take a long long time to go to Namek, given the fastest spaceship they currently had (she could have, obviously, just modified the ship that Goku used to come back from Yadrat, though given the state earth was in, it might have been long destroyed by the Androids).
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Do Trunks and Bulma even know where New Namek is?
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Re: Could have Future Gohan been wished back?
Let's say that Trunks takes Dende & the Dragon Balls to his timeline. He still wouldn't be able to bring him back, since it's been more than 1 year since Gohan died.
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The one-year thing was only applies when Shenlong has to bring a large amount of people back like life, such as "everyone killed by Freeza and his men". Assuming Trunks could get a working set of Dragon Balls in his timeline, the only thing stopping him from bringing Gohan back would, I think, be the condition of his body (if Gohan didn't get to keep it in the afterlife).DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Let's say that Trunks takes Dende & the Dragon Balls to his timeline. He still wouldn't be able to bring him back, since it's been more than 1 year since Gohan died.
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Re: Could have Future Gohan been wished back?
Trunk's time machine could only seat one person so I don't think he would have the option of taking someone with him.
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Re: Could have Future Gohan been wished back?
There is always Cell's Time Machine.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Could have Future Gohan been wished back?
Wasn't that Trunks'? Cell had to revert to his larval stage because it didn't fit him.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:There is always Cell's Time Machine.
EDIT: Aaaaaand now I'm re-reading this thread's recent posts and realizing that you probably meant that Trunks could go in one machine and Dende in the other.
Unless Trunks destroyed the machine that Cell used (which, like you, I'll call Cell's time machine for this thread to keep things simple), for safety reasons. But then again, nothing suggests that.
But even so, wasn't the power completely burned out? You could say that Bulma could fix it, but she's still not her future self, who assumedly would have more of an understanding of Cell's time machine and wouldn't run the risk of damaging it even more. Unless Trunks took his time machine back to his time, put Bulma inside while he stayed behind, and then Bulma fixed the one Cell took. But that's assuming that Trunks' time machine would have enough power for the trips, if Bulma didn't fix up Trunks' time machine to have more power. If that's even possible.
Of course, in reality, Toriyama would never think of a convoluted plan like that for Dragon Ball. Only the plot device of the fix-all gaggle of wishes towards the ends of the Freeza and Boo arcs respectively even come close, and even then, they weren't written particularly well.
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They don't know where New Namek is. Even Goku couldn't teleport there without getting directions.dario03 wrote:Bulma could of used a ship to get there
How is Bulma supposed to contact Kaio?or they could of contacted Namek through King Kai or whatever
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The Time Machines CAN be put into Capsules, you know. Trunks could take Cell's Time Machine (I'll call it Cell's because he killed Trunks for the ownership of it) in a capsule, have F. Bulma fix it, and take it back to the past.
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Also, Bulma had that shrinking device which could have been used on Dende to have him and the Dragon Balls fit in the Time Machine.
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Another reason that they never tried to get to New Namek (apart from not knowing where it is) is because the Artificial Humans were still wrecking the Earth. They usually wait until the threat is defeated before reviving people. With Freeza, they teleported everyone safely to Earth anyway so that doesn't really count; in the early Boo saga when Bulma used Shenlong's first wish, they were ignorant of Boo at the time so they thought things were fine at the time; later on, when Vegeta gave his strategy to defeat Boo, I believe Goku was reluctant to because it was too soon to use the Dragon Balls (as in, Boo wasn't defeated yet). They wouldn't use a ship to revive their friends only for them to potentially get killed again.
Also, wasn't Bulma's lab mostly destroyed? It probably took all her remaining resources to build the time machine to ultimately defeat the Artificial Humans. She probably wouldn't have achieved that if, say, the spaceship was destroyed and she had to build a new one as well. Then even after they were defeated, they were too concentrated on helping rebuild the Earth that they didn't even attempt to make it to New Namek. Besides, their friends had long since died by then, that it'd probably be better to just let them rest in peace anyway I think.
Also, wasn't Bulma's lab mostly destroyed? It probably took all her remaining resources to build the time machine to ultimately defeat the Artificial Humans. She probably wouldn't have achieved that if, say, the spaceship was destroyed and she had to build a new one as well. Then even after they were defeated, they were too concentrated on helping rebuild the Earth that they didn't even attempt to make it to New Namek. Besides, their friends had long since died by then, that it'd probably be better to just let them rest in peace anyway I think.