The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:43 pm

PiccoloFan7289 wrote:Super Perfect Cell (after another Zenkai boost) vs. Majin Buu. I think this would be a close one personally.
Which Buu? Mr. Buu might be the weakest Buu but I still think he wins since his regeneration is much better and I remember he was still able to stand back up after getting knock around from Kid Buu. I don't think Cell another Zenkai boost would help him win.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Haji » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:42 pm

Well since popularity seems to make characters many times more powerful than what they really are, now it seems more like who is more liked? But for me, i think Majin Buu(fat) would win. He beat down SSJ2 Majin Vegeta. I think that same Vegeta just SSJ2 without the Majin power up could destroy Super kenzen Cell.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:12 am

Nail vs. Kami at equal power levels.

The only two named Namekian's outside of Piccolo that we see get into any kind of serious action in the Manga. How does it go if they're evenly matched in power?

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Post by Kaboom » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:38 am

Nail is an actual warrior-type Namekian. He's bred and built specifically for battle, which is going to give him a distinct edge in a fight with the Dragon-type Kami even at equal power levels.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Michsi » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:22 am

Kaboom wrote:Nail is an actual warrior-type Namekian. He's bred and built specifically for battle, which is going to give him a distinct edge in a fight with the Dragon-type Kami even at equal power levels.
This. It's one of the reasons why Piccolo Jr. was so much stronger than Kami despite that fact his father, who he inherited his strength from, was a lot weaker than Kami.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:01 pm

PiccoloFan7289 wrote:Super Perfect Cell (after another Zenkai boost) vs. Majin Buu. I think this would be a close one personally.
Whether or not he's able to even match whatever form of Boo, Boo's still got better stamina and regeneration, and would therefore outlast the majority of Cell's attacks and/or wear him out before defeating him. Zenkais are practically impossible to calculate, as they vary from small to large, but as Kaboom said, if Cell gets lucky and gains a substantial enough healing boost, he might be able to put up as good a fight as SSj2 Goku or Vegeta would. But even the weakest Boo we saw, Mr. Boo, still held out for an impressive time against Kid Boo.
In Brightest Day wrote:Nail vs. Kami at equal power levels.
As Kaboom said, Nail is a warrior-type Namekian, while God is a dragon-type. Not to mention that God's quite old, while Nail's relatively young. So Nail would win.

How about a battle between God and old Piccolo Daimao at equal powers?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:31 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote: How about a battle between God and old Piccolo Daimao at equal powers?
God uses Mafuba and wins, since Piccolo doesn't have a counter to it.
If he isn't allowed to use Mafuba, God still wins due to his superior perception of ki movement.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:46 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:How about a battle between God and old Piccolo Daimao at equal powers?
God uses Mafuba and wins, since Piccolo doesn't have a counter to it.
If he isn't allowed to use Mafuba, God still wins due to his superior perception of ki movement.
Yeah, he's not allowed to use Mafuba. And I agree. Although I wouldn't put it past Daimao to try some dirty tricks, like he did with Goku.
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Post by Fox666 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:48 pm

Kami is not innocent like Goku, he probably would figure out Piccolo intentions.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:04 pm

Fox666 wrote:Kami is not innocent like Goku, he probably would figure out Piccolo intentions.
Yeah, you're probably right. Plus, there's that whole "we were once one; we can tell each other's thoughts" thing. I mean, perhaps not literally, but after the Android shit went down and Piccolo flew up to God's Palace, God mentioned that, IIRC, he knew that Piccolo wanted to merge with him, adding something like that, "You - or should I say, your parent - were once one".
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:17 pm

Super Saiyan 4 Son Goku vs Super Vegetto
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Kaboom » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:24 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Super Saiyan 4 Son Goku vs Super Vegetto
Vegetto > Everyone and everything, ever.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:29 pm

No offence, but that's getting almost as old as the Chuck Norris jokes.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:32 pm

Yes, let's get a little serious, shall we?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:40 pm

Well, alrighty.

Vegetto = Goku X Vegeta. Meaning he's at least several million times stronger than either of them individually. Powerful enough to retain his full consciousness and range of capabilities when turned into a piece of candy. Powerful enough to fix the universe with a punch.

Realistically, no amount of training or new transformation will allow Goku to ever match that.
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Post by Saiga » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:40 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Super Saiyan 4 Son Goku vs Super Vegetto
According to GT, Goku stomps with ease.

Realistically (therefore barring GT) I think if there was a Super Saiyan 4 it would put Goku on U. Gohan's level, so no match for (Super) Vegetto.
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Post by CatouttaHell » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:05 pm

The GT Perfect Files stated Gohan didn't neglect his training, so GT Gohan should be a good deal above Ultimate Gohan factually.

General Rild defeated Base Gohan when he fought him (though not without a good fight) and was stated to be above an unspecified Boo, going by where the GT Perfect Files places Gohan he should be above Gohan-Boo realistically.

GT Base Goku easily beat GT SSjin Gohan, which should place him far above Base Vegetto and Gohan-Boo.

Baby arc SSjin Goku alone should be able to easily beat down Super Vegetto then IMO, unless you ignore the GT Perfect Files... although nothing in GT contradicts it or suggests at all that Gohan got weaker or slacked on his training.

If this is Super No. 17 arc or Evil Dragons arc Son Goku I'd say he might be able to beat Super Vegetto even in base, since his power is constantly rising by Toei logic (several examples of this in both GT and Path to Ultimate Strength.)
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Post by In Brightest Day » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:44 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:No offence, but that's getting almost as old as the Chuck Norris jokes.
It isn't nearly as ridiculous as "Yamcha always loses no matter what."

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Post by Rocketman » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:29 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:No offence, but that's getting almost as old as the Chuck Norris jokes.
Who's joking? Vegetto's supremacy is fact.

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Post by Saiga » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:08 pm

In Brightest Day wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:No offence, but that's getting almost as old as the Chuck Norris jokes.
It isn't nearly as ridiculous as "Yamcha always loses no matter what."
True, but it isn't nearly as funny as "Yamcha always loses no matter what."
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