I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:52 pm

I see it as this: Super Buu is basically Fat Buu in reverse. When Kid Buu absorbed the Grand Supreme Kai or whatever, the power he gained from South Supreme Kai got suppressed, along with Buu's evil nature. Evil Buu wasn't necessarily a different form of Buu - it was the manifestation of the evil in Fat Buu that was being suppressed. When Evil Buu ate Fat Buu, the evil took over and the good became suppressed, creating Super Buu, who is basically the South Supreme Kai Buu but with the still remaining Grand Supreme Kai influence keeping him from accessing all of his original power. When Fat Buu got removed from Super Buu, he didn't revert to Evil Buu because Evil Buu wasn't really a form. Without Fat Buu, Super Buu no longer had any Kais powering him and thus reverted to Kid Buu, his original form.
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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by FindKenshi » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:55 pm

"Fat Buu" and "Skinny Buu" are failed fusions of Majin Buu with Kaioshin beings. Babidi and Dabra stated they couldn't use energy from Kaioshin, or Kibito, to power Buu up, right? Furthermore, the potara fusion, a Kaioshin-magic item, stopped working inside Buu's body.

Buu absorbed South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin to "gain a soul" as Kaisohin said. Call it.. some instinct to improve himself, expand his consciousness, whatever. But, he's not compatible with these guys.

They are divine beings. He is a being of pure evil (again, stated by Kaioshin)

So, it resulted in a "failed fusion" the same way Goten and Trunks messed up and created "Fat Gotenks." Fat Buu = Fat Gotenks, it's the same concept.

When Mr. Satan enlightened Buu to the fact that killing was wrong (Buu honestly didn't know, or understand this, before Mr. Satan taught him), he attempted to repress his "inner Buu", which is, the part of him that's still the raging psychotic being of wicked evil that wants to kill any life form it encounters.

When he got super angry, and begin desiring to kill those humans that hurt his dog and his friend, his "inner Buu" forced its way out, physically, to oppose Buu's repression. So, that's also another failed fusion between Buu and Kaisohin. "Skinny Buu." He's skinny and frail, just like Gotenks the second time they failed to fuse.

This is too similar to be a conincidence, there simply must be some kind of parallel there.

By Buu's evil half dominating his good half, he became "Super Buu" and finally fused properly.

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Mystic Gohan » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:26 pm

Nailed everything except your analogy that fat buu=fat gotenks. I don't see fat buu as really a failed fusion. Its more like a hypothetical satan and goku fusion with the potara, which goku thought would actually weaken him. While fat gotenks was also weakened.

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:29 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I see it as this: Super Buu is basically Fat Buu in reverse. When Kid Buu absorbed the Grand Supreme Kai or whatever, the power he gained from South Supreme Kai got suppressed, along with Buu's evil nature. Evil Buu wasn't necessarily a different form of Buu - it was the manifestation of the evil in Fat Buu that was being suppressed. When Evil Buu ate Fat Buu, the evil took over and the good became suppressed, creating Super Buu, who is basically the South Supreme Kai Buu but with the still remaining Grand Supreme Kai influence keeping him from accessing all of his original power. When Fat Buu got removed from Super Buu, he didn't revert to Evil Buu because Evil Buu wasn't really a form. Without Fat Buu, Super Buu no longer had any Kais powering him and thus reverted to Kid Buu, his original form.
It was never stated that Boo gained power from south supreme kai. If South kai made him stronger, then why would ripping out Good boo from Super boo make his power increase? Even if he did give him strength (which he didn't), it wouldn't be a massive power up because The kaioshins were stated to fail at pulling out the Z sword (something Gohan had to go ssj to achieve). Boo lost all the kai influence and there was nothing there to give him strength other than his own. He may have turned into his "buff" form for that moment, but his power kept growing as he turned back into his original Pure form where is evil is totally unrestrained. Super boo is more evil than fat boo because the more evil side is dominant and therefore is stronger than Fat boo because of that reason, and Kid boo is totally unrestricted allowing him to access his complete power. This is what the Kaioshin stated, that his pure evilness was back.

The kai's do not power boo up and it was never stated. Babidi and dabura state they couldn't use Kai energy to revive boo, but they could use the others. The Potara (a kai artifact) does not work with boo's candy beam, and they immediately separate inside Boo as Vegetto. Then finally, we have Kaioshin explaining Boo's backstory and how the goodness he gained through the other Kaioshin absorption decreased his Ki. The only Boo's I see stronger than Pure boo, are Super boo's absorbed forms because Super boo gotenks absorbed calls himself the mightiest majin no matter what the future may hold.

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Fox666 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:13 pm

OWmyDragonBallz wrote:It was never stated that Boo gained power from south supreme kai.
The opposite wasn't stated either, but that doesn't seems to prevent you of talking like it was true.
OWmyDragonBallz wrote:If South kai made him stronger, then why would ripping out Good boo from Super boo make his power increase?
It was explained in the series that it was because the heart he gained from Dai Kaioshin decreased his powers.
OWmyDragonBallz wrote:but his power kept growing as he turned back into his original Pure form where is evil is totally unrestrained.
It was never stated that his strength increased at that point. In fact, Goku and Vegeta seems to be proud by making Majin Boo transform, which suggests quite the opposite.

Also during Kaioshin and Rou Kaioshin conversation, they talk about his evil nature and how he is the "most troublesome one" or "he has no self-control whatsoever", and there is no mention about his strength.
OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Even if he did give him strength (which he didn't), it wouldn't be a massive power up because The kaioshins were stated to fail at pulling out the Z sword (something Gohan had to go ssj to achieve).
How to you know? You are assuming that Majin Boo absorption is like the sum of the powers, while such a thing was never stated in the series.

In fact, in the manga, Gotenks-absorbed Majin Boo told Gohan that merging with Goku would be of no help against him, which suggests that his absorption is at least as good as the metamorian fusion.
OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Super boo is more evil than fat boo because the more evil side is dominant and therefore is stronger than Fat boo because of that reason, and Kid boo is totally unrestricted allowing him to access his complete power.
Such thing regarding Evil Boo strength was never hinted in the series.
OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Babidi and dabura state they couldn't use Kai energy to revive boo, but they could use the others.
The energy to revive Majin Boo is a complete different situation from his absorbing ability.
OWmyDragonBallz wrote:The only Boo's I see stronger than Pure boo, are Super boo's absorbed forms because Super boo gotenks absorbed calls himself the mightiest majin no matter what the future may hold.
Goku told Vegeta they would be killed by Evil Boo, and asked him to fuse again.

Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Goku: “Di-didn’t I tell ya to wear your Potara?! Th-this is why! If we could just go outside and merge, then this kind of guy would be an easy victory!”

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Re: I think I just Figured Majin Boo Out

Post by Monkey D Goku » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:44 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
Fox666 wrote:"forms and appearances"
Then what about his fat form wearing Pajamas? Or when he changed his face to look "sexy" to get that girl to kiss him?

On it's own, it just seems so inconsequential.
Weren't those filler parts although I wonder what Buu would have looked like with Vegeto fully absorbed. Vegetbuu
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