Crazy Dragonball Z theories that you've heard?

[Kaboom]

Recoome is stronger than either Jeice or Burter, despite it being stated that both of them are at least as strong as he is.

Well, they were said to have "about the same amount of ki" as Recoome, which isn't quite the same thing as "exactly as powerful." So while all three of them may be very similar in power, it's highly unlikely they ALL have the same battle power. Technically, Recoome could be a little stronger than Butta or Jheese.

Krillin is somehow more powerful than Tenshinhan in the Buu saga, despite giving up on training in the previous seven years while Tenshinhan did pretty much nothing but train.

This isn't really a fan-theory so much as it is just taking Yamcha at his word when he told Marron as such. It's fully plausible for Kuririn to still be stronger than Tenshinhan despite retiring, if Kuririn had enough of a lead on him. These guys are just humans, after all, and don't gain power through training at the extreme rate the Saiyans do. My favorite explanation is that the Grand Elder's boost on Namek simply rocketed Kuririn up so high above the other humans, that even come the Boo arc Tenshinhan the train-a-holic hasn't quite caught up yet.

Krillin's daughter Marron was born without a nose like her dad, but will grow one as she gets older.

Well... She kind of did!

Broly is literally indestructible in his "legendary" form, no matter how strong his opponent is.

That stems from DBM. I'm sure a lot of over-enthusiastic Broly fanboys are more than happy and willing to mistake it for fact, though.

Vegetto is literally omnipotent, not just a buttload stronger than anyone else who shows up in DBZ.

Hold on, I thought this thread was for "theories," not facts.

Fusion is literally "character X's power times character Y's power," rather than an extremely complicated mystical technique that can't be reduced to simple math.

Also not a fan-theory. That's the "formula" given for Vegetto in one of the "Super Exciting Guide" books. It says his Battle Power is "GOKU X VEGETA." Which even if not taken literally is just a roundabout way of saying he's omnipotent.

Goten and Trunks are as strong as or stronger than #18 without even going Super Saiyan.

This stems from Trunks' Daizenshuu #7 bio, which mentions how he demonstrated "strength on par with No. 18's, until she managed to see through their disguise." But it's a little up in the air since 18 seemed to be holding back quite a bit while Trunks and Goten struggled, and they claimed to be at a disadvantage even at Super Saiyan due to the restrictive suit.

Goten and Trunks, at the start of the Buu saga, are already as strong as Gohan.

This is something else that stems from a guidebook. Goten's Daizenshuu #2 'Growing Up' bio says "By virtue of being Goku's son, Goten posses battle power not the least bit inferior to even Gohan." It's kind of odd, though, especially in light of the "because he's Goku's son" reason given, so one could probably get away with saying his potential is the same as Gohan's rather than his present battle power.

[dbgtFO]

Goten and Trunks, at the start of the Buu saga, are already as strong as Gohan.

This is something else that stems from a guidebook. Goten's Daizenshuu #2 'Growing Up' bio says "By virtue of being Goku's son, Goten posses battle power not the least bit inferior to even Gohan." It's kind of odd, though, especially in light of the "because he's Goku's son" reason given, so one could probably get away with saying his potential is the same as Gohan's rather than his present battle power.

I now actually think that's the intended meaning. The reasoning is quite weird for the alternative...

As for crazy theories, I'm sure some people would think that of my ultimate fanon theory

[CatouttaHell]

This isn't really a fan-theory so much as it is just taking Yamcha at his word when he told Marron as such. It's fully plausible for Kuririn to still be stronger than Tenshinhan despite retiring, if Kuririn had enough of a lead on him. These guys are just humans, after all, and don't gain power through training at the extreme rate the Saiyans do. My favorite explanation is that the Grand Elder's boost on Namek simply rocketed Kuririn up so high above the other humans, that even come the Boo arc Tenshinhan the train-a-holic hasn't quite caught up yet.

Agreed. Plus it's possible that Kuririn kept training and still improved greatly.

I doubt he just settled down the day after the Cell arc, he could've spent years after that still training. The manga only says that he "stopped fighting" too so it's possible to twist that and say he never actually stopped training.

I now actually think that's the intended meaning. The reasoning is quite weird for the alternative...

Goten is shown sparring evenly with Gohan in the manga though, so there is basis for that.

Not to mention Gohan is worried that Goten and Trunks will overtake him soon, despite him also having SSjin 2 under his belt...

[In Brightest Day]

I kind of get the impression that training became more of a hobby for Kuririn and Yamcha after the Cell-Games.

[Zephyr]

Theory I just came up with last night:

Babidi and his family are Makaioshin (unbeknownst to the Kaioshin themselves). Thus, they use Makaioshin magic. Thus, Buu was created using Makaioshin magic. This explains why Buu's magical properties seem to conflict with Kaioshin Magic (absorbing Dai Kaioshin making Buu more tame, and the air inside of Buu breaking the "unbreakable" Potara fusion, which was a product of Kaioshin magic), and why Buu was created with enough destructive power to draw the attention of the Kaioshin themselves.

Also, the "M" insignia stands for "Makaioshin".

[Pantalones]

Well, they were said to have "about the same amount of ki" as Recoome, which isn't quite the same thing as "exactly as powerful." So while all three of them may be very similar in power, it's highly unlikely they ALL have the same battle power. Technically, Recoome could be a little stronger than Butta or Jheese.

Yeah, Recoome being a little stronger (or weaker) than the others, but still in the same general range (like maybe all of them being in the low/mid-40,000s, with a only few thousand points difference between them), would be believable.

I was talking more about the people who make power level lists with Recoome at 50,000 or even 60,000 while the other two are down at 40,000-ish.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Theory I just came up with last night:

Babidi and his family are Makaioshin (unbeknownst to the Kaioshin themselves). Thus, they use Makaioshin magic. Thus, Buu was created using Makaioshin magic. This explains why Buu's magical properties seem to conflict with Kaioshin Magic (absorbing Dai Kaioshin making Buu more tame, and the air inside of Buu breaking the "unbreakable" Potara fusion, which was a product of Kaioshin magic), and why Buu was created with enough destructive power to draw the attention of the Kaioshin themselves.

Also, the "M" insignia stands for "Makaioshin".

But in one of those guidebooks that explains the Makaioshin, they don't once mention a member of them, whether it be Bobbodi and his family, or even (as has been suggested) Dabra. You'd think that if one of them was a Makaioshin, they'd mention it when talking about the Makaioshin.

I think the "M" insignia is just some kind of alien or demonic insignia that just happens to resemble an "M", like Superman's Kryptonian symbol that just happens to resemble an "S".

[Piccolo Daimao]

This isn't really a fan-theory so much as it is just taking Yamcha at his word when he told Marron as such. It's fully plausible for Kuririn to still be stronger than Tenshinhan despite retiring, if Kuririn had enough of a lead on him. These guys are just humans, after all, and don't gain power through training at the extreme rate the Saiyans do. My favorite explanation is that the Grand Elder's boost on Namek simply rocketed Kuririn up so high above the other humans, that even come the Boo arc Tenshinhan the train-a-holic hasn't quite caught up yet.

Agreed. Plus it's possible that Kuririn kept training and still improved greatly.

I doubt he just settled down the day after the Cell arc, he could've spent years after that still training. The manga only says that he "stopped fighting" too so it's possible to twist that and say he never actually stopped training.

Kuririn had stopped shaving his head, a training discipline he'd upheld up until then.

I now actually think that's the intended meaning. The reasoning is quite weird for the alternative...

Goten is shown sparring evenly with Gohan in the manga though, so there is basis for that.

Not to mention Gohan is worried that Goten and Trunks will overtake him soon, despite him also having SSjin 2 under his belt...

For the last FUCKING TIME, Gohan is surprised that his little brother is so strong. Panels beforehand, SSj Gohan almost shat himself dodging a rock from base Goten. Are we supposed to assume that base Goten rivals SSj Gohan? Your interpretations are seriously fucked, man.

And so what if Gohan's worried that the kids will surpass him soon? 1) It was light humour and 2) the way they're going, they might. They're already Super Saiyan at an even younger age than Goku, with seemingly no work for it compared to how difficult it was for Goku, Gohan and Vegeta. It wouldn't be too farfetched to think that, if they're already so strong from apparently just "playfighting", they may eventually reach SSj2 and even surpass Gohan, who's not a fighter at heart, only trains when he absolutely needs to and is knuckling down on his education.

[Perfect]

Gohan's merely just surprised by his little brothers strength, which is portrayed in a comical aspect; there's nothing more to it.

[CatouttaHell]

For the last FUCKING TIME, Gohan is surprised that his little brother is so strong. Panels beforehand, SSj Gohan almost shat himself dodging a rock from base Goten. Are we supposed to assume that base Goten rivals SSj Gohan? Your interpretations are seriously fucked, man.

And so what if Gohan's worried that the kids will surpass him soon? 1) It was light humour and 2) the way they're going, they might. They're already Super Saiyan at an even younger age than Goku, with seemingly no work for it compared to how difficult it was for Goku, Gohan and Vegeta. It wouldn't be too farfetched to think that, if they're already so strong from apparently just "playfighting", they may eventually reach SSj2 and even surpass Gohan, who's not a fighter at heart, only trains when he absolutely needs to and is knuckling down on his education.

I love how you feel it necessary to yell at me any time I word anything in a way that makes it sound like I'm saying facts, yet you jump down my throat for stating something you disagree with. Get your head out of your ass, kid.

We see Goten sparring evenly with Goten and Trunks getting a hit in on Vegeta. There's no way around the kids being insanely strong considering that.

Nothing contradicts them being on par with Gohan either besides your personal bias. I'm not saying them being that powerful is absolutely factual but there's nothing to say it isn't.

[Zephyr]

Theory I just came up with last night:

Babidi and his family are Makaioshin (unbeknownst to the Kaioshin themselves). Thus, they use Makaioshin magic. Thus, Buu was created using Makaioshin magic. This explains why Buu's magical properties seem to conflict with Kaioshin Magic (absorbing Dai Kaioshin making Buu more tame, and the air inside of Buu breaking the "unbreakable" Potara fusion, which was a product of Kaioshin magic), and why Buu was created with enough destructive power to draw the attention of the Kaioshin themselves.

Also, the "M" insignia stands for "Makaioshin".

But in one of those guidebooks that explains the Makaioshin, they don't once mention a member of them, whether it be Bobbodi and his family, or even (as has been suggested) Dabra. You'd think that if one of them was a Makaioshin, they'd mention it when talking about the Makaioshin.

I think the "M" insignia is just some kind of alien or demonic insignia that just happens to resemble an "M", like Superman's Kryptonian symbol that just happens to resemble an "S".

Good point about the symbol.

But my theory can still hold about about Buu being created by Makaioshin magic, say if Bibidi made a pact with one of them in order to create Buu or something. This is pretty much just fanon for me though.

[Piccolo Daimao]

For the last FUCKING TIME, Gohan is surprised that his little brother is so strong. Panels beforehand, SSj Gohan almost shat himself dodging a rock from base Goten. Are we supposed to assume that base Goten rivals SSj Gohan? Your interpretations are seriously fucked, man.

And so what if Gohan's worried that the kids will surpass him soon? 1) It was light humour and 2) the way they're going, they might. They're already Super Saiyan at an even younger age than Goku, with seemingly no work for it compared to how difficult it was for Goku, Gohan and Vegeta. It wouldn't be too farfetched to think that, if they're already so strong from apparently just "playfighting", they may eventually reach SSj2 and even surpass Gohan, who's not a fighter at heart, only trains when he absolutely needs to and is knuckling down on his education.

I love how you feel it necessary to yell at me any time I word anything in a way that makes it sound like I'm saying facts, yet you jump down my throat for stating something you disagree with. Get your head out of your ass, kid.

We see Goten sparring evenly with Goten and Trunks getting a hit in on Vegeta. There's no way around the kids being insanely strong considering that.

Nothing contradicts them being on par with Gohan either besides your personal bias. I'm not saying them being that powerful is absolutely factual but there's nothing to say it isn't.

OK then, I apologize for my manner towards you. It's just that, sometimes, I do get annoyed with the way you state things as if they're fact, and your manner towards others for disagreeing with you. So don't patronize me by telling me to "get my head out of my ass" and calling me a "kid".

The kids are insanely strong, but that doesn't have to mean that they're even with Gohan and Vegeta. And your interpretation of the Daizenshuu quote would make Trunks stronger than Gohan, if Goten is apparently equal to Gohan, since it was explicitly stated in the manga that Trunks is stronger than Goten.

It's you that's being contradictory.

But my theory can still hold about about Buu being created by Makaioshin magic, say if Bibidi made a pact with one of them in order to create Buu or something. This is pretty much just fanon for me though.

Yeah, that can work. Just that it doesn't come off that way to me in the story, since there's no mention of Makaioshin magic and it's just said that Bibbidi "accidentally" created Boo.

[dbgtFO]

The kids are insanely strong, but that doesn't have to mean that they're even with Gohan and Vegeta. And your interpretation of the Daizenshuu quote would make Trunks stronger than Gohan, if Goten is apparently equal to Gohan, since it was explicitly stated in the manga that Trunks is stronger than Goten.

But should he have a problem with that?
After all SSJ Trunks surprise-kicked Buu further than SSJ Gohan did, so one could say the feats support SSJ Gohan < SSJ Trunks.

[Perfect]

By that logic Yamcha's stronger than Gotenks because he actually beat someone.

[dbgtFO]

By that logic Yamcha's stronger than Gotenks because he actually beat someone.

Eh, no that wasn't the logic, I was using in the example.

[Perfect]

Well if we go by feats then Yamcha trumps Gotenks. Unless you're just referring to the fact it was the same person getting attacked, just by two different people.

[FNF]

Base Goku in GT is stronger than SSj3 Goku was in the Buu saga.

Krillin is somehow more powerful than Tenshinhan in the Buu saga, despite giving up on training in the previous seven years while Tenshinhan did pretty much nothing but train.

Krillin's daughter Marron was born without a nose like her dad, but will grow one as she gets older.

Goten and Trunks are as strong as or stronger than #18 without even going Super Saiyan.

Goten and Trunks, at the start of the Buu saga, are already as strong as Gohan.

What are you smoking and can I have some?

Those are all actually supported in the manga (yes even the 1st example it is suggested that at the eoZ base Goku>SSjin3 Goku(Boo arc).

Although I disagree with Krillin>Tenshinhan, I can see how can come to that conclusion (despite Yamcha not seeing Tenshinhan for 7 years and Tenshinhan having the dramatic appearance vs Gotenks-Boo).

[FNF]

It's fully plausible for Kuririn to still be stronger than Tenshinhan despite retiring, if Kuririn had enough of a lead on him. These guys are just humans, after all, and don't gain power through training at the extreme rate the Saiyans do. My favorite explanation is that the Grand Elder's boost on Namek simply rocketed Kuririn up so high above the other humans, that even come the Boo arc Tenshinhan the train-a-holic hasn't quite caught up yet.

Except c20 saying he could beat SSjin Vegeta after absorbing all of the Z senshi's energies contradicts that. Tenshinhan should be at least in the same realm of power as Krillin in the Android arc. Even the whole atmosphere in the Android arc contradicts Yamcha's statement about Krillin in the Boo arc.

Tenshinhan's appearance in the Boo arc alludes to him being a monster and I don't see why people have a problem with it.

[Perfect]

Here's one,

"Cell was trying to get 18 to fall in love with him,"

[Zephyr]

But my theory can still hold about about Buu being created by Makaioshin magic, say if Bibidi made a pact with one of them in order to create Buu or something. This is pretty much just fanon for me though.

Yeah, that can work. Just that it doesn't come off that way to me in the story, since there's no mention of Makaioshin magic and it's just said that Bibbidi "accidentally" created Boo.

Didn't really come off that way to me either, the thought just dawned on me last night, and it seemed to fit together rather nicely in my opinion. The mere lack of being mentioned within the story, however, doesn't necessarily prevent it from working. If it were to be said so in a guidebook, it would make plenty of sense canonically (the same way many other things, not mentioned in the series, but are now stated in guidebooks, fit into the canon).

Also I don't recall it being mentioned that Buu's creation was an accident, but I haven't seen that part of the series for a while and my memory can be fuzzy. What episode/chapter was this said in?


As for the Krillin vs Tenshinhan thing....

They're both limited to the same kind of training, and Tenshinhan had a head start. Only difference is that Krillin received the Grand Elder's power up, and Tenshinhan received Kaio's training.

The argument seems to be that the Grand Elder's power up boosts the recipient to their absolute full potential, yet Gohan still got stronger (even prior to becoming SSj) after the Grand Elder's power up. So, it's apparent to me that the Grand Elder's power up does not boost the recipient to their absolute full potential. And obviously, we don't know how much stronger Tenshinhan got from Kaio's training. Therefore, both forms of power boost the two respectively used display an unknown level of increase.

So....it's inconclusive as to which of them is the stronger by the end of the series. Personally, I view Tenshinhan as the stronger. It just seems the more implicit choice to me. And no, I really don't see Yamcha as speaking for Toriyama when speaking to Marron. The man constantly forgets things. I really doubt that the idea of declaring that Krillin was stronger than Tenshinhan had even crossed Toriyama's mind in the Buu arc, since Tenshinhan hadn't even been relevant for the entire arc up until that point. Plus, Yamcha's trying to console a little girl, I doubt he'd have Tenshinhan in mind.