Crazy Dragonball Z theories that you've heard?

[Ussj Future Trunks]

My theory that the Original LSSJ is actually a time travelling Trunks.

[Gonstead]

My theory that the Original LSSJ is actually a time travelling Trunks.

Which would be impossible unless changes to canon were made.

[dbgtFO]

Well if we go by feats then Yamcha trumps Gotenks. Unless you're just referring to the fact it was the same person getting attacked, just by two different people.

The latter.

[Piccolo Daimao]

The kids are insanely strong, but that doesn't have to mean that they're even with Gohan and Vegeta. And your interpretation of the Daizenshuu quote would make Trunks stronger than Gohan, if Goten is apparently equal to Gohan, since it was explicitly stated in the manga that Trunks is stronger than Goten.

But should he have a problem with that?
After all SSJ Trunks surprise-kicked Buu further than SSJ Gohan did, so one could say the feats support SSJ Gohan < SSJ Trunks.

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Seriously? Boo was off-guard, not to mention that he's basically a big piece of bubblegum who knows that he can tank attacks without any damage. I can't believe you're actually using that as evidence for SSj Gohan < SSj Trunks.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Also I don't recall it being mentioned that Buu's creation was an accident, but I haven't seen that part of the series for a while and my memory can be fuzzy. What episode/chapter was this said in?

Chapter: 445 (DBZ 251), P13.3-5
Kaioshin: “Long ago, about when humanity on Earth had just begun to walk on 2 legs…In the depths of space, there was an extremely evil wizard called “Bibidi”…One day, by chance Bibidi happened to create a terrible monster…An extraordinarily terrifying majin called “Boo”…Majin Boo had neither reason nor emotions, and devoted himself to nothing but destruction and slaughter…A monster born only to inspire fear in living things…In just a few years, hundreds of planets were transformed into dead worlds…”

[dbboxkaifan]

Not DBZ, but DBGT.

The American OP GT was apparently sung by Ice Cube, yet no one's able to confirm.

[Zephyr]

Also I don't recall it being mentioned that Buu's creation was an accident, but I haven't seen that part of the series for a while and my memory can be fuzzy. What episode/chapter was this said in?

Chapter: 445 (DBZ 251), P13.3-5
Kaioshin: “Long ago, about when humanity on Earth had just begun to walk on 2 legs…In the depths of space, there was an extremely evil wizard called “Bibidi”…One day, by chance Bibidi happened to create a terrible monster…An extraordinarily terrifying majin called “Boo”…Majin Boo had neither reason nor emotions, and devoted himself to nothing but destruction and slaughter…A monster born only to inspire fear in living things…In just a few years, hundreds of planets were transformed into dead worlds…”

Ah, thank you

[Silver Sinspawn]

My theory that the Original LSSJ is actually a time travelling Trunks.

Wasn't it confirmed that Bardock was the Original SSJ?

[dbgtFO]

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Seriously? Boo was off-guard, not to mention that he's basically a big piece of bubblegum who knows that he can tank attacks without any damage. I can't believe you're actually using that as evidence for SSj Gohan < SSj Trunks.

I think you're misunderstanding me.. I don't go by that, but I said Cat could use that in his argument, since both kicks were surprise kicks anyway.

[Hitiro]

-Goku can use Super Kaioken because it happened in the filler.
-SSJ2 must be more than 100x base because Super Kaioken = SSJ multiplier plus Kaioken x2.
-Saiyans can breath in space because Bardock is just above planet Vegeta.
-Super Perfect Cell unlocks SSJ2.
-Super Perfect Cell > Fresh SSJ2 Gohan.
-Base Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku.
-Base Goku > Super Buu because Goku cut Buu in half with a Kienzan.
-Goku doesn't need to sense ki to IT.

[Piccolo Daimao]

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Seriously? Boo was off-guard, not to mention that he's basically a big piece of bubblegum who knows that he can tank attacks without any damage. I can't believe you're actually using that as evidence for SSj Gohan < SSj Trunks.

I think you're misunderstanding me.. I don't go by that, but I said Cat could use that in his argument, since both kicks were surprise kicks anyway.

OK then, my bad. But I think it would be a shitty argument, since off-guard attacks just don't count as feats for a character's strength.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

-Goku can use Super Kaioken because it happened in the filler.

In the anime, he could always use it. In the manga, possibly, but not confirmed. But Kaio-Ken isn't a super special technique, it's just a technique like Kamehameha, there was never any rule restricting the Kaio-ken use, except that your body can take it's power.

-Super Perfect Cell unlocks SSJ2.

It is something like a SSJ2, the aura is exactly like SSJ2, and Cell has also displayed 2 other forms similar to SSJ forms. (FPSSJ, SSJG3)

[Hitiro]

-Goku can use Super Kaioken because it happened in the filler.

In the anime, he could always use it. In the manga, possibly, but not confirmed. But Kaio-Ken isn't a super special technique, it's just a technique like Kamehameha, there was never any rule restricting the Kaio-ken use, except that your body can take it's power.

But there's a difference in using a technique which puts massive strain on a persons body and a transformation that puts strain on someones body. Goku can increase his powerlevel by 50x with the use of SSJ because it fundamentally changes the body to cope with that power increase, hence, it being a transformation as it alters his body. Kaioken is strictly called a technique because while it increases Goku's stats it doesn't alter his body to cope with the strain of the power increase, this is why he needs to train in order to overcome Kaioken's disavantages. Strictly speaking from my point of view SSJ does cause strain on Goku's body, however small, and with the increased strain of the Kaioken technique on top of that I would think Goku's body wouldn't cope. SSJ alters his body so we don't really know of the effects another massive increase from Kaioken technique would do to his body.

-Super Perfect Cell unlocks SSJ2.

It is something like a SSJ2, the aura is exactly like SSJ2, and Cell has also displayed 2 other forms similar to SSJ forms. (FPSSJ, SSJG3)

While Cell does have a SSJ2 aura that could be down to the substantial energy that flows from his body, I've always looked at aura's from the analogy that they are like water coming from a hose pipe, a person who can freely release their energy will have a less tempered aura, much in the same way that the more room for the water to escape from the hose pipe the less pressure is exerted so it would trickle out rather than blast out. I also adopted this analogy when characters power up because they don't always make the planet shake so they must be able to release their energy from their body much easier than the last time they did it. This would also be the reason why the characters powering up don't just destroy the planet because the characters at the end of DBZ have much more power than Nappa, for instance, who also made the planet shake. Also I don't see how a Zenkai would lead to Cell unlocking a transformation, we know that SSJ and SSJ2 need rage as a catalyst. I doubt Cell, while floating in otherworld as a small nucleus, would be mad because as a nucleus he wouldn't have the capacity for such mental thought processes.

Look at those two theories however you want but I don't really accept them.

[FNF]

-Base Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku.

That's perfectly legit actually.

[Hitiro]

-Base Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku.

That's perfectly legit actually.

You know Gotenks loses against Fat buu in his Base form, right?

[dbgtFO]

-Base Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku.

That's perfectly legit actually.

You know Gotenks loses against Fat buu in his Base form, right?

He's talking about after they trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, where they were said to have powered up hugely.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Perhaps he's talking about after he trains in the RoSaT, since Piccolo had hope that they might win against Super Boo. Although I and many others think that this was merely a set-up for the gag of Gotenks' attacks doing absolutely nothing against Boo. I guess there's nothing that really contradicts base Gotenks possibly being stronger than SSj3 Goku, but there's nothing that suggests it either.

[Hitiro]

He's talking about after they trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, where they were said to have powered up hugely.

If he is talking about that how do we know it puts Base Gotenks above SSJ3 Goku? If Gotenks was even half as strong as SSJ3 the SSJ multiplier would be enough to do help against fighting Super Buu, to be honest even if Gotenks was a quarter of Goku's SSJ3 strength the SSJ multiplier would make up for it. And he didn't even put a dent in Super Buu in his base form anyway, if he had done something then I would be more inclined to believe.

[dbgtFO]

He's talking about after they trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, where they were said to have powered up hugely.

If he is talking about that how do we know it puts Base Gotenks above SSJ3 Goku? If Gotenks was even half as strong as SSJ3 the SSJ multiplier would be enough to do help against fighting Super Buu, to be honest even if Gotenks was a quarter of Goku's SSJ3 strength the SSJ multiplier would make up for it. And he didn't even put a dent in Super Buu in his base form anyway, if he had done something then I would be more inclined to believe.

He doesn't think Super Buu is weaker than Goku, but rather much stronger.

[Hitiro]

He's talking about after they trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, where they were said to have powered up hugely.

If he is talking about that how do we know it puts Base Gotenks above SSJ3 Goku? If Gotenks was even half as strong as SSJ3 the SSJ multiplier would be enough to do help against fighting Super Buu, to be honest even if Gotenks was a quarter of Goku's SSJ3 strength the SSJ multiplier would make up for it. And he didn't even put a dent in Super Buu in his base form anyway, if he had done something then I would be more inclined to believe.

He doesn't think Super Buu is weaker than Goku, but rather much stronger.

I'm not saying Super Buu is weaker than Goku either, I'm saying that if Gotenks had injured Super Buu in his base I would believe he's stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but he doesn't. If Gotenks is a half or even a quarter of SSJ3 Goku's strength then the SSJ multiplier would be enough to allow him to hurt Super Buu because he'd be much much stronger than SSJ3 Goku.