Fusion question

vegetaslegacy15 · Post by **vegetaslegacy15** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:37 pm

Would a theoretical Potaro fusion between ultimate warrior Gohan and Vegeta or ultimate warrior Gohan and Goku be stronger than Vegetto? The reason I ask this is obviously ultimate warrior Gohan has a stronger base than either Vegeta and Goku....

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:44 pm

There's no reason to believe that it wouldn't. Even though it wouldn't have the "rivalry" bonus that some people attribute as one of the reasons why Vegetto was so powerful, you're looking at replacing one of them with someone who is far stronger than either of them were at their best.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:47 pm

Gohan's Mystic would cancel out Goku's Super Saiyan and vice versa, so the resulting fusion would be weaker than Vegetto.

vegetaslegacy15 · Post by **vegetaslegacy15** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:52 pm

Rocketman wrote:Gohan's Mystic would cancel out Goku's Super Saiyan and vice versa, so the resulting fusion would be weaker than Vegetto.

I don't really follow that logic. I am pretty sure the fusion would still be able to go Super Saiyan. It be like if since Vegeta couldn't go Super Saiyan three so Vegetto would not be able to either. Or that since neither Goten or Trunks could go Super Saiyan 3 then neither can Gotenks.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:55 pm

Rocketman wrote:Gohan's Mystic would cancel out Goku's Super Saiyan and vice versa

Why would you think that? Gohan could still transform in Super Saiyan even if would have no effect in his power.

I suppose the result would be Gohan "mightiest warrior" strength multiplied by Goku's regular form. Then he could transform in Super Saiyan to make the "Goku part" stronger.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:15 pm

Fox666 wrote:Gohan could still transform in Super Saiyan

Nope. Elder Kai told him to do that, he did and became Mystic.

Pantalones · Post by **Pantalones** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:58 pm

It could be possible that Gohan and Goku fusing would cause the "Goku half" of the fusion to have its power unlocked in the same way that Gohan's already was. Which would mean the "Goku half" would be at least as strong as Goku's SSj3 self without needing to transform.

In which case, a hypothetical "Gogo" or "Hanku" or "Kuhan" or whatever would almost definitely be stronger than anything Goku and Vegeta could possibly combine into, "rival boost" or not. Yeah, Goku and Vegeta's fusions could hypothetically go SSj3 to balance it out a bit more, but considering that Gohan was easily stronger than SSj3 Goku or Super Buu (minus Gotenks) and "Mystic/Ultimate Goku" is bound to be absurdly strong too, I'm guessing a Goku+Gohan fusion would still end up at least a little bit stronger.

Of course, it's hard to tell if Gohan's "mystic/ultimate-ness" would carry over to Goku's half of the fusion or not. We never saw two people in different states of powered-up-ness fuse, after all.

FNF · Post by **FNF** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:09 am

I interpret this;...

Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

...as a Vegetto>Any other possible fusion statement.

Their fusion was just a perfect match ie strong and rivals while Gohan and Goku were no where near rivals.

Rostir · Post by **Rostir** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:01 am

Fox666 wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Gohan's Mystic would cancel out Goku's Super Saiyan and vice versa
Why would you think that? Gohan could still transform in Super Saiyan even if would have no effect in his power.

I suppose the result would be Gohan "mightiest warrior" strength multiplied by Goku's regular form. Then he could transform in Super Saiyan to make the "Goku part" stronger.

I never understood how Gohan's power worked. Does all of the power go away if he transforms? Is his hidden power awakened when he tries to transform into a Super Saiyan, or does that Super Saiyan transformation just become temporarily replaced with the "mightiest warrior" power? The whole topic is foggy to me.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:10 am

Rocketman wrote:
Fox666 wrote:Gohan could still transform in Super Saiyan
Nope. Elder Kai told him to do that, he did and became Mystic.

He told him to use the "gist" of the Super Saiyan and throw it in a Kiai, not to transform in Super Saiyan.

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:24 am

Fox666 wrote:He told him to use the "gist" of the Super Saiyan and throw it in a Kiai, not to transform in Super Saiyan.

But the "gist" of tranforming into a SSJ is anger, there is nothing else to the transformation. We see Gohan get angry half way through the power up and he releases some of the power that Elder Kai was unlocking so by that logic SSJ trans = Mystic trans.

hleV · Post by **hleV** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:10 am

Gohan really tried to go SSJ, but ended up as this Mightiest Warrior (could shorten to MW). At first he had 2 bangs, but when he rushed to the battle, he was left with only 1 bang and on another side, which is a trait of SSJ3. So I agree with people who think that MW Gohan can't visually go SSJ.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:28 am

According to Elder Kaioshin a Potara fusion between Goku and Gohan could most likely defeat Buu without even going Super Saiyan. I assume that means the result of the two merging could go Super Saiyan. Still I believe Vegeta is all around a much better "half" to merge with Goku than Gohan is thus Vegetto would be the stronger of the two.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:49 am

Yeah, since the old Kaioshin said that a Potara fusion between Goku and Gohan (Gohanku?) could probably defeat Boo without even going Super Saiyan, I would also assume that their fusion could still go SSj. So I guess Goku would cancel out Gohan's "permanent base" and they'd be able to transform up to SSj3, while still counting the power that the old Kaioshin gave him. But Vegetto apparently needed SSj to defeat Boo (that's how I interpret him transforming right off the bat), while Gohanku would presumably not even need SSj.

However, I believe that the "rivalry boost" was still important towards Vegetto's power, so I think Gohanku would wind up at roughly the same level as Vegetto. But in a hypothetical battle between the two, Vegetto would win, because Goku and Vegeta are a much better match (outside of raw power, just in rivalry, skill, drive and battle love, which we know Gohan doesn't have).

Same would go for a Potara fusion between Gohan and Vegeta (Gogeta? Vegehan?). Only that they'd be much weaker than Gohanku, since they wouldn't have SSj3. So he'd lose even harder against Vegetto.

On a somewhat related (or not) note, I was wondering about the Potara fusion apparently negated Vegeta being dead, since Vegetto didn't appear with a halo and Goku said that if he wasn't merged with him, he'd have to return to the afterlife. So I guess Enma would have no grounds to subsequently send both Goku and Vegeta (as Vegetto) to the afterlife and remove Vegetto or somehow rip Vegeta's body out of Vegetto (which I doubt Enma could do). I think this would probably be because of the Potara's power (Kaioshin magic is better than Enma magic), Potara favouring the alive instead of the dead, or Vegetto just being so damn powerful that he can negate the effects of being dead.

hleV · Post by **hleV** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:13 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote: Same would go for a Potara fusion between Gohan and Vegeta (Gogeta? Vegehan?). Only that they'd be much weaker than Gohanku, since they wouldn't have SSj3. So he'd lose even harder against Vegetto.

Gotenks had SSJ3, thus Vegeta & Gohan fusion would also have it. Probably without even needing to train to achieve it, unlike for Gotenks.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:17 am

hleV wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Same would go for a Potara fusion between Gohan and Vegeta (Gogeta? Vegehan?). Only that they'd be much weaker than Gohanku, since they wouldn't have SSj3. So he'd lose even harder against Vegetto.
Gotenks had SSJ3, thus Vegeta & Gohan fusion would also have it. Probably without even needing to train to achieve it, unlike for Gotenks.

No, Gotenks had to train in the RoSaT before he could achieve SSj3. He didn't just have it right off the bat. So I don't think a Gohan & Vegeta fusion would have SSj3 without training.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:19 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Yeah, since the old Kaioshin said that a Potara fusion between Goku and Gohan (Gohanku?) could probably defeat Boo without even going Super Saiyan, I would also assume that their fusion could still go SSj. So I guess Goku would cancel out Gohan's "permanent base" and they'd be able to transform up to SSj3, while still counting the power that the old Kaioshin gave him. But Vegetto apparently needed SSj to defeat Boo (that's how I interpret him transforming right off the bat), while Gohanku would presumably not even need SSj.

Well, Gohan was a whole lot stronger than Vegeta. He indeed might not need to transform in Super Saiyan at all.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:28 pm

Fox666 wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Yeah, since the old Kaioshin said that a Potara fusion between Goku and Gohan (Gohanku?) could probably defeat Boo without even going Super Saiyan, I would also assume that their fusion could still go SSj. So I guess Goku would cancel out Gohan's "permanent base" and they'd be able to transform up to SSj3, while still counting the power that the old Kaioshin gave him. But Vegetto apparently needed SSj to defeat Boo (that's how I interpret him transforming right off the bat), while Gohanku would presumably not even need SSj.
Well, Gohan was a whole lot stronger than Vegetto. He indeed might not need to transform in Super Saiyan at all.

Wait, what? Gohan stronger than Vegetto?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:16 pm

See, you start trying to insult Vegetto and you get struck with madness.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:46 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Wait, what? Gohan stronger than Vegetto?

I meant Vegeta. Gohan is stronger than Vegeta, so a fusion beetween him and Goku should be even stronger than Vegetto.

Besides Gohan power does not come from Super Saiyan anymore, so Rou Kaioshin might be right that after the fusion they wouldn't even need to transform in Super Saiyan or whatever.

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