Dragonball Errors

[Tanooki Kuribo]

What the hell is wrong with Goku's eyes? xD

It's just a mid-animation shot.

[NzK]

A few errors I noticed in episode 173:

Gohan's clothes suddenly change during his trip to Kami's lookout. To be fair though, this also occurs in the manga.

Why the hell do people keep calling this an error? When was it stated that they left the instant Goku arrived?

Well, it appears they left straight away, yeah. But you're right, it doesn't explicitly show them leaving the instant he arrives.

[sanorin]

What the hell is wrong with Goku's eyes? xD

It's just a mid-animation shot.

I know what mid-animation shots are, it just looks so weird. It's not the normal way they animate Goku's eyes when he looks to one side and then looks to the other side. In general, recent DB mid-animation shots look so horrible. This is the normal way:



Now, let's move on to the Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi cutscenes. Here are the mistakes I found:

Piccolo's wrist, and part of his arm.


Krillin and Vegeta undershirt in the neck area (you should only see like 1 or 2 cm, but sometimes it covers their whole neck or it's completely gone); in the one from Vegeta's and Krillin's back, the shirt is white like the armor and their skin is blue; part of Gohan's blue pants are white; Krillin's boots are missing the lines; Freeza's eyes are not red and his ear is not yellow.


Goku's broken clothes show the wrong color (orange when it should be blue or skin, and blue when it should be skin); Goku's boots have yellow lines instead of red (just look at Gohan looking at his boots thinking "Oh no! My dad has the wrong boots!")


Piccolo's shoulder color (Yamcha and Krillin are horrified when they see his shoulder).


Cell's colors: hand palm should be black, the blue things in his ribs should be black; green and orange of his face are mistaken in a couple of occasions.


Gohan doesn't have his ultimate eyes. In the first image he JUST transformed, so it's a monumental mistake.


Chichi's clothes color is wrong (on the right side, the right colors to compare).

[Perfect]

You do realize that it's just the angle of the in between shot right? You do know not every in between shot is going to be the same based on the angular position of the character's face right?

Yamcha could have just been standing further back and moved up, I dunno, I haven't seen the animation. Cell's palm being a lime green can be attributed to his aura. The "things on his ribs" are black, they're just being shaded outward with a blue hue, which is common in hair and various objects to add more depth. For instance my hair is black but sometimes has a blue hue to it for some reason.

Gohan's eyes look fine to me.

[samuraix123]

Piccolo's wrist, and part of his arm.

Nice! I can't believe I didn't notice that. How could they have missed that.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Gohan's eyes look fine to me.

http://imageftw.com/uploads/20120122/fine.png

Look at it again. His eyes in his Ultimate state are supposed to be drawn in the closed way, but in the Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi cutscenes, they're drawn in the open way (like, for example, base Goku and Kuririn).

[Perfect]

They're not closed in either of the cut-scenes in which I believed he was saying they're closed in the first, unless I misunderstood what he was saying. They're fine by the means if he's referring to the fact Gohan's eyes aren't square and serious, which is what I assumed.

[Piccolo Daimao]

OK then, that's fine.

[sanorin]

You do realize that it's just the angle of the in between shot right? You do know not every in between shot is going to be the same based on the angular position of the character's face right?

What are you talking about exactly here?

Yamcha could have just been standing further back and moved up, I dunno, I haven't seen the animation.

And here?

Cell's palm being a lime green can be attributed to his aura. The "things on his ribs" are black, they're just being shaded outward with a blue hue, which is common in hair and various objects to add more depth. For instance my hair is black but sometimes has a blue hue to it for some reason.

I beg to differ. Look another shots in the same scene, with the correct colors:

Gohan's eyes look fine to me.

Wrong again. Look at these shots of Gohan with the correct eyes in the left, and wrong ones in the right:

[Perfect]

Angular postions can affect in between shots? I don't see what's confusing about that. Even beforehand in early DB episodes we see shots like those. Toriyama was drawing still shots so there weren't any in between shots, but still shots in animation were/are meant to be regarded based on their angular position (just as in between shots). Your eyes're meant to see them for a second or two, thus allowing it to look perfectly fine animated (have you seen actual people caught in between movements?). There's nothing wrong with Goku's eyes here (the image you drew looks nothing like the face he's making). To exemplify, Bulma's eyes are like this at one point when Goku comes with Gohan to Roshi's during the early Saiyan arc.

I haven't seen the animation so I can't say for sure, but based on the shots given it's possible Yamcha was standing further back and just moved up.

I beg to differ. Look another shots in the same scene, with the correct colors:

Okay I see what you're saying about his palms at least. However you still haven't disproved anything about black-blue hues generally being used in coloring repertoires alongside grays. It's done countless times and isn't regarded as an error because black does emit a blue contrast more often than not on shiny objects, especially when being portrayed in an animated criteria. I've shined rocks in slightly different directions before towards a light, different angles produced either a black-blue hue whereas some a black-gray hue. Besides the colors being very little in terms of being different through contrast, saturation and hue, the blue and gray aspect in the photos can easily be regarded as such in this context.

Edit:
Blues the wave-length that makes it to our eyes mainly. That's why a pitch black sky can appear blue some times. Black is the absence of light essentially, so of course there's going to be a pitch based on the wave-length in question. Generally that's gray or blue because of the frequency. This is pretty much what Rayleigh scattering is, hence why artists shade black surfaces blue or gray for depth (I've seen red, but that's rare and depends on the context).

Wrong again. Look at these shots of Gohan with the correct eyes in the left, and wrong ones in the right:

I misunderstood, refer to above posts.

[Attitudefan]

Goku's broken clothes show the wrong color (orange when it should be blue or skin, and blue when it should be skin); Goku's boots have yellow lines instead of red (just look at Gohan looking at his boots thinking "Oh no! My dad has the wrong boots!")

It isn't wrong... well if it was before the Android arc.

[sanorin]

Angular postions can affect in between shots? I don't see what's confusing about that. Even beforehand in early DB episodes we see shots like those. Toriyama was drawing still shots so there weren't any in between shots, but still shots in animation were/are meant to be regarded based on their angular position (just as in between shots). Your eyes're meant to see them for a second or two, thus allowing it to look perfectly fine animated (have you seen actual people caught in between movements?). There's nothing wrong with Goku's eyes here (the image you drew looks nothing like the face he's making). To exemplify, Bulma's eyes are like this at one point when Goku comes with Gohan to Roshi's during the early Saiyan arc.

I haven't seen the animation so I can't say for sure, but based on the shots given it's possible Yamcha was standing further back and just moved up.

I don't know about angular position and all you are talking about. The eyes are just not right. It has nothing to do with Bulma's eyes, I am talking about Goku's eyes. Bulma's eyes are drawn the closed way, while Goku's eyes are the open way. They are like this when he is looking forward (_ _) , like this when he is looking to the left (_ (_ , and like this when he is looking to the right _) _) . I have never seen any other image, still shot, in between shot, angular position or whatever where his eyes are like this _) (_ . If you have seen any, please share, but it is not the normal way. Please see below how an animation of eyes looking to both sides should look like (sorry for the low quality):

However you still haven't disproved anything about black-blue hues generally being used in coloring repertoires alongside grays. It's done countless times and isn't regarded as an error because black does emit a blue contrast more often than not on shiny objects, especially when being portrayed in an animated criteria. I've shined rocks in slightly different directions before towards a light, different angles produced either a black-blue hue whereas some a black-gray hue. Besides the colors being very little in terms of being different through contrast, saturation and hue, the blue and gray aspect in the photos can easily be regarded as such in this context.

Edit:
Blues the wave-length that makes it to our eyes mainly. That's why a pitch black sky can appear blue some times. Black is the absence of light essentially, so of course there's going to be a pitch based on the wave-length in question. Generally that's gray or blue because of the frequency. This is pretty much what Rayleigh scattering is, hence why artists shade black surfaces blue or gray for depth (I've seen red, but that's rare and depends on the context).

I don't know why you are talking to me about complicated color and light theories. It's very simple: the thing in his lower chest is dark blue like the top of his head; and the things in both sides by his ribs are black-grey, like his forearms and the palms of his hands. It's as simple as the animator people put the wrong color a couple of times. There is really nothing more to argue about, at least I don't see it.



I know Goku's hair is black and in some movies they put a blue hue or shine and in other animations, specially the recent ones, they put a grey hue/shine. Same way as Vegeta's hair is black and sometimes with brownish hue/shine. But this thing with Cell here is something different, it's an error or mistake, and that is why I posted it here in this thread. End of story.

It isn't wrong... well if it was before the Android arc.

But that's the point: it is in the Cell arc. I only say if they want to be consistent with the anime (and the manga), that color for that time period is wrong. See the image below.

[Perfect]

Light theories? You say that as if they don't apply here. That's the way light works to our understanding, just as gravity. Artists render coloring the same way we tend to see it in the real world. It's perfectly acceptable for Cell's black rib-shield to appear with a hue of blue in one scene and black in the next.

Eyes have angular positioning depending not only on the artist but the degree where the eyes stand (this goes for pretty much anything that moves). For instance, Bulma here below does something similar to what Goku does. It only appears to look like how you drew it to you because of the angle (the second eye isn't moving off in the opposite direction, but the adjacent) it's actually the eyes just switching over from one position to the next. How many in between shots depend on the frame rate and angular positioning. The Gohan you linked bobs his head back and fourth, also creating an equal amount of fluidity because of the number of frames.

[sanorin]

Light theories? You say that as if they don't apply here. That's the way light works to our understanding, just as gravity. Artists render coloring the same way we tend to see it in the real world. It's perfectly acceptable for Cell's black rib-shield to appear with a hue of blue in one scene and black in the next.

It is perfecly clear that Cell's rib-shield and lower-chest shield have different colors, different tones. The scenes I am showing you have no changes on lighting whatsoever, so they should stay the same color, one blue and the other black. Even if the light changed, according to real world lighting, they would have different tones, one darker than the other, not exactly the same tone of blue like in the mistaken images. Why are you making it so complicated and don't just accept it's a coloring mistake?

Eyes have angular positioning depending not only on the artist but the degree where the eyes stand (this goes for pretty much anything that moves). For instance, Bulma here below does something similar to what Goku does. It only appears to look like how you drew it to you because of the angle (the second eye isn't moving off in the opposite direction, but the adjacent) it's actually the eyes just switching over from one position to the next. How many in between shots depend on the frame rate and angular positioning. The Gohan you linked bobs his head back and fourth, also creating an equal amount of fluidity because of the number of frames.

I don't see the point of this comparison. Bulma's eyes are perfectly fine, nothing weird there in any of the frames, and nothing to do with Goku's example.
Again, it's not about angle, it's about the shape of the eyes, the black line that goes around the eye. It should go like in the Gohan example. I don't know why you don't see it. For me it's like if in a in-between shot Goku had 6 fingers. It's only there for 1 frame, you can't possibly see it in the animation, but it's there and if you go frame by frame you see that it shouldn't be like this.

[Perfect]

I. The lighting wouldn't have to change seeing that Cell has a magical aura surrounding him with angular changes.

II. Because Goku's left/right eye is shifting towards the left and not right such as Bulma's are (with the difference is that Bulma's corneas are smaller because of her irises and pupils)? It's very simple, Goku's face is at an angle where his eyes can be drawn to shift inward and to the left without skipping a movement like your example. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just the way the art studio chose to render his eyes' movement. If it looks "perfectly" fine in animation as well, there shouldn't be an "error" to discuss anyway. Goku having six fingers for a second would be noticeable, same with something that gets colored wrong.

[Attitudefan]

But that's the point: it is in the Cell arc. I only say if they want to be consistent with the anime (and the manga), that color for that time period is wrong. See the image below.

I understand. It is only half wrong unlike with Cell. Maybe they forgot Goku's boots switched. Hell, I'm glad that they are using the older colours than the new ones as default. In all the older games, it was always newer colours/clothing in the older sagas. Goku with Celll arc gi in the Ma Jr saga is just odd.

[sanorin]

In all the older games, it was always newer colours/clothing in the older sagas. Goku with Celll arc gi in the Ma Jr saga is just odd.

Yeah I agree. Then they started improving, making more clothings and colors in every game, but then went backwards again, with less characters and clothings.

I. The lighting wouldn't have to change seeing that Cell has a magical aura surrounding him with angular changes.

Let's do a poll in the forum, to see how many people think it's a mistake by the animators who put the wrong colors, and how many people think it's the lighting and the angular position. Why don't you simply accept that Dragon Ball anime is not perfect? They make a lot of mistakes like everybody in the world.

II. Because Goku's left/right eye is shifting towards the left and not right such as Bulma's are (with the difference is that Bulma's corneas are smaller because of her irises and pupils)? It's very simple, Goku's face is at an angle where his eyes can be drawn to shift inward and to the left without skipping a movement like your example. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just the way the art studio chose to render his eyes' movement. If it looks "perfectly" fine in animation as well, there shouldn't be an "error" to discuss anyway. Goku having six fingers for a second would be noticeable, same with something that gets colored wrong.

It looks "perfectly" fine in animation, yes, it only happens in one frame for a fraction of a second and you don't see it. But the image badly drawn is there. Look, I edited the image to make it look right. They could have drawn it like this from the beginning and then there wouldn't be any problem. It's the same work for them, put the eye line in the left or in the right. But only one way looks good.



If you still don't agree, I don't know what else to do, but ask you: are you saying that all these images posted by other people before are perfectly fine? It's only the lighting or the angle?

[Attitudefan]

I see with Goku image what is wrong and what you are trying to convey. It doesn't look weird now that you fixed it.

[Perfect]

I don't see how accepting something isn't perfect equates towards something that isn't an error, especially seeing that perfect couldn't be anymore subjective. In fact it's funny you'd use something so typical as a response because someone disagrees with you. Seeing that I don't see it as an error, that constitutes you to believe that because of the aforementioned, I view the anime as "perfect"? I've stated my reasoning for Cell, I've also contributed a few errors as well. You fail to realize the entirely two different contexts from which Cell's colors are affected as opposed to Baby being out of scale regardless of the cameras' positioning. Under no circumstances would blond eyebrows flash black briefly with absolutely no reasoning towards it.

I still see his eyes shifting to the left based on his angular positioning, there's nothing wrong with it. "Badly drawn" is entirely subjective seeing that he looks on model and his eyes transition smoothly, I see no issue. If his eyes were off model, it'd show in the animation.

[Attitudefan]

Was that directed to me or sanorin? I didn't do/say anything mean or wrong!