Super Exciting Thread of some of my theories

[Piccolo Daimao]

Alright, so here's some theories that I have that I felt would be good to share and discuss.

1) I think that Goten and Trunks have dormant power on par with Gohan (since they reached SSj at a young age or perhaps even had it within them at birth, and even scared Gohan into thinking that he might even surpass him, which may highlight potential for SSj2), who has dormant power greater than Goku (his Ultimate state in the Boo arc, his rage, him reaching SSj2 before Goku and Vegeta, Goku saying that when he gets angry, he won't lose to anyone), who has dormant power greater than Vegeta (although part of the reason that Goku kept surpassing Vegeta and maintaining his position ahead of him was that his training methods were better than Vegeta, I think also part of the reason that Vegeta accepted that Goku was better than him was that Goku was just more gifted than him and perhaps even purer).

2) After the end of the manga, if Vegeta died, then he'd retain his body in the afterlife, having redeemed himself after expressing remorse for his actions, admitting that Goku was #1 and letting go of his hatred for him (thus removing his impure obsession of killing him) and helping to defeat Boo.

3) Vegeta and Bulma love each other by the Boo arc and eventually admit it, but Vegeta doesn't openly give her PDAs (e.g. clear gestures of affection like hugging and kissing), but would let her hug and kiss him in public. This love mainly developed out of Vegeta softening due to his comfortable life on Earth, bonding with Trunks mainly through training (but also occasional voluntary activities like taking him to the amusement park, which, in turn, developed into love for Bulma, and vice versa (Bulma bonding with Trunks, which developed into love for Vegeta, whose “good side” she saw while he was bonding with Trunks).

4) Vegeta originally bonded with Trunks through training and occasional voluntary activities like taking him to the amusement park, but he felt that it was only grooming (not the sexual kind, of course) towards having him surpass Gohan and Goten (if he couldn’t defeat Goku alive, the best he could do is have his son defeat Goku’s sons, remnants of his partly lost rivalry). It mostly was, but even if he didn’t want to admit it, it was partly him softening due to in his comfortable life on Earth and an underlying desire to take responsibility of his son’s strength.

5) There are no real "limits" in Dragon Ball. I think this is the kind of Shonen mantra that the series tries to teach us. No matter how strong the character seems to get, to the point of even surprising them, and it appears that they've reached their limit, they still somehow find a way to break through that wall. So Ultimate Gohan could still train to increase his power, but he didn't, because he wasn't a fighter at heart, focused on his work and peace had returned to Earth (and he only ever trained when he felt he needed to; i.e. if he was being forced, if he had to fend off an upcoming or existing threat or if he was being blackmailed to enter a tournament).

I could go on, but I think that it would overload the thread. What are your thoughts?

[Perfect]

I agree with 2, 4 and 5. I bet he loved her by then, but I don't see him getting married to her.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I agree with 2, 4 and 5. I bet he loved her by then, but I don't see him getting married to her.

Oh yeah, I forgot that I'd changed my opinion on that. I just copied and pasted it from a document that I have compiling a lot of my theories. I don't think that they got married either, since they don't seem like the type to.

What about number 1?

[Perfect]

Depends how you view potential. I view the potential of a character to be weighted on their personality and situation, which in turn affects their actions. I don't see Trunks or Goten having anywhere near the same drive as Goku, Gohan or Vegeta to get stronger. Hell, Gohan didn't do anything for seven years, he just got a lucky power up. If you mean solely based on genetics though, then yeah they could, but I doubt they'd have the work ethic to do so as they got older (coughafterZcough).

[Piccolo Daimao]

Depends how you view potential. I view the potential of a character to be weighted on their personality and situation, which in turn affects their actions. I don't see Trunks or Goten having anywhere near the same drive as Goku, Gohan or Vegeta to get stronger. Hell, Gohan didn't do anything for seven years, he just got a lucky power up. If you mean solely based on genetics though, then yeah they could, but I doubt they'd have the work ethic to do so as they got older (coughafterZcough).

Yeah, I'm talking about genetics, the dormant power within that can only be let out through training, holy waters and techniques (magical or not), such as the Great Elder, the old Kaioshin and Bobbodi's. Obviously, Goten and Trunks don't have anywhere near the same drive as Goku and Vegeta, since they're really just Earthlings, not Saiyan fighters, at heart, who'll grow up and have normal lives, not like full-blooded Saiyans, whose entire life is battle. I think that they have the same drive as Gohan, who's also not a fighter at heart and grew up to have a normal life too. The fighting that Goten and Trunks did when they were young seemed like they were doing it more for fun (which includes their "playfighting"), not to mention Chi-Chi not being a hard-ass on Goten and sparring with him, and Vegeta training and sparring with him too.

[NANLIT]

1) I agree. If Goten, Trunks, and Gohan kept on training during peace time, Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be able to keep up with them anymore. They were already so strong at such young ages.

2) I like to think Vegeta would be able to keep his body after death after his redemption during the Boo fight. Enma watched the fight so he saw that it was Vegeta's strategy that defeated Boo (who was an universal threat) as well as saw that he was revived even though the second wish said to not revive the evil ones).

3) I agree. Bulma was upset when she saw Vegeta kill those people at the tournament and was upset when he died. As for Veget, it was Bulma being killed that made him decide to fuse with Goku. He was also really mad at Goku for the promise to the Elder Kaioshin involving Bulma. I can't remember what exactly it was, but I know it was something perverted.

4) I think Vegeta meeting Future Trunks and getting close to him (and getting mad when Cell killed him) made him decide to be a good father to Trunks. Trunks loved Vegeta during the Boo arc. Now of course, to Vegeta, bonding with his son would translate to training Trunks to surpass Goku and his sons, especially he still hated Goku then.

5) I would agree. These characters are always supposedly reaching their limits and surpassing their limits over and over. That's probably why I think Goku eventualy mastered SSJ3 in his living body (and could be a match for Ultimate Gohan) at the end of the manga as well as Vegeta being able to reach SSJ3 in his living body and getting rid of the negative side effects eventually (maybe by the end of the manga, I don't know) because Goku and Vegeta train all the time, no matter if there's a threat or if it's peacetime, whereas their sons slacked off and remained stagnant at best.

[masterotaku]

1) I think that Goten and Trunks have even more potential than Gohan. They reached SSJ with almost no training!
2) I agree.
5) I have always believed that Goku could have mastered SSJ 3 by the end or the manga, or even reached SSJ 4 (not the one from GT, but an evolution of SSJ 3).

[TheDevilsCorpse]

1) I think that Goten and Trunks have even more potential than Gohan. They reached SSJ with almost no training!

Well, that may not exactly be true. IMO they were training all the time, and its the reason why they got so strong at an exponential rate. We know that Vegeta, one of the strongest beings on Earth, was training Trunks. Chi Chi was training Goten to increase his skills (because lets be honest, Goten probably outclassed her in power at birth lol). The boys also "played" together a lot, and all that friendly fighting is just an exchange of training information. And for all we know, they both transformed into Super Saiyans during one of their play sessions (manga wise). Maybe the kids were beating the hell out of each other, then they stopped to grab some fruit off a tree during a break and one kid ate the last apple or one of them broke the other ones toy, causing shit to hit the fan. Kids are much more emotional over some of the stupidest things...have you seen the rage of some of the brats on youtube? lol

[Piccolo Daimao]

You know, I wonder if they even needed a rage catalyst in the first place, if it's possible that they already had it "unlocked" since birth. Goten mentions that he forgot when he first became a Super Saiyan, which is like how many of us in real-life can't remember things from our early childhood. I don't have any memories of before I was three.

Besides, what exactly could enrage them so much that they'd transform? Or maybe, as you said, it's because kids are much more emotional than adults, or perhaps it's the fact that, because the Super Saiyan gene (or whatever) is more natural to them than the other Saiyans, they'd be able to transform with even the smallest rage trigger.

[Kaboom]

"Potential" is a vague and immaterial concept. "Dormant power" is something actually measurable. Though in the case of Saiyan-Earthling hybrids, they go hand in hand.

[Piccolo Daimao]

"Potential" is a vague and immaterial concept. "Dormant power" is something actually measurable. Though in the case of Saiyan-Earthling hybrids, they go hand in hand.

I suppose, in this case, I mean "dormant power". I thought "potential" and "dormant power" were pretty much treated as synonymous in DB, though.

[Kaboom]

Well, that's just the way I prefer to differentiate things.

Goten is a half-breed Saiyan just like Gohan, and thus has just as much as or perhaps even more "potential" than Gohan does. But his actual and tangible amount of "dormant power" at any given time isn't necessarily the same as Gohan's.

[masterotaku]

Hummm, it could be like comparing acceleration vs maximum speed in Mario Kart. Goku may have:
- Max. speed: 100
- Acceleration: 60
Gohan:
- Max. speed: 85
- Acceleration: 80
Goten:
- Max. speed: 75
- Acceleration: 100

It's just an idea .

[Haji]

There is no limit on ki.

[dprez]

I agree with every one of your theories. They are all pretty much just observations that make perfect sense without having direct evidence from the manga.

Especially Goten and Trunks having the potential to be the stronger than Goku, Vegeta and Gohan ( Before is power-up ). They were born with freakish power and reached Ssj with so little effort, that you gotta know it would be way, way easier for them to reach ssj3. They could then train the form to have freakish power rivaling, and possibly surpassing Gohan post-power-up.

Vegeta clearly loved Bulma dearly after realizing how much he loved their son, and his life on earth. Bulma was so nice to him when he first got there, and her obviously being a very attractive women, Vegeta naturally taped that and learned to love his new found family.

Vegeta was totally a good guy after the series ended, and there are no such thing as "limits" in the Dragon Ball universe. Gohan could have definitely gotten stronger if his heart desired to after reaching his "limits" imo.