Did Vegeta eventualy reach SSJ3?

[hleV]

Maybe if Goku had of explained to Vegeta like he did the boys on how to get SSJ3 that would of helped.

Didn't happen in the manga. Goku simply trained Goten & Trunks the fusion technique until he was told that it's time for him to go back to the afterlife.

[Piccolo Daimao]

But Vegeta did have Trunks as a sparring partner. He forced him to train just like Goku forced Goten to train.

I'm going to set this off as something of a side-note for a second and say that you're talking about kid Trunks.

Presumably, he only started seriously training Trunks at around 7 and 8, judging by Bulma telling that Gohan (when he came to her about his Great Saiyaman costume) that Vegeta believed Trunks was old enough to get serious about training. He didn't know that Trunks could become a SSj, which, if he had been training him for a long time beforehand, he should've known (if you subscribe to the theory that Goten and Trunks had SSj from birth, which is supported by the fact that the two boys are so nonchalant about it and Goten says he forgot when he was able to do that). So mostly, beforehand, Vegeta would've been training alone, while Goku had the whole 7 years to spar seriously with great martial artists from across history. That's, like, an extra 6 or 7 years, not to mention the head-start he already had on him back at the Cell Games.

Also, due to his stubbornness, Vegeta preferred to train alone, as evidenced by ignoring Trunks in training to go beyond SSj (pre-RoSaT). Although I guess this can be excused in that it seems solitary meditation is required to reach SSjG2 and SSjG3, since Goku had been sitting on the floor meditating in the RoSaT too. However, we didn't know this beforehand, and when Goku asked Trunks how the training was going, Trunks replied that Vegeta saw him as a "failure", which displays his stubbornness and narcissism.

I think the reason that Vegeta was more of a solitary trainer (even when he had sparring partners available) is because he believed that others would slow him down and he wanted to focus on increasing his own abilities, rather than having to share it out between other people. Because that's the thing - his rivalry and obsession with Goku was completely his, and his only. There's no way someone like Trunks would be able to train as hard as Goku, because he doesn't have that isolated drive. Perhaps he could train better than him (I mean, hypothetically, if he was older, wiser, more experienced and wasn't trained by only Gohan, who wasn't that much of a fighter himself and was only previously trained by Piccolo), but not obsessively for that singular desire of surpassing Goku. Like Vegeta said, it wasn't the Androids he hated the most - it was Goku. He wanted to kill the Androids so that they wouldn't kill Goku.

And I guess this is of some relevance: that scene training for the 25th TB (where Vegeta wanted to fight Goku), where Vegeta and Trunks were training seperately at 150G, and Vegeta told Trunks to leave because the gravity was too much for him. Rather than, y'know, turn the gravity down at a level that his son can handle (this is before he knew that Trunks could become a SSj, obviously) and maybe even spar with him. I believe that this is more evidence of the determined, isolated and obsessive desire that Vegeta had to surpass Goku.

Penultimately, I'm not denying that Vegeta eventually became SSj3. I kind of tweaked my opinion on the matter a couple of posts back.

Now then, as for whether or not Vegeta forced Trunks to train like Goku forced Goten to train. I don't think that Goku forced Goten to train, since, as we see, he's very out of shape, is panting heavily on the ground and clearly doesn't have the thirst for battle that he once had, wanting to go on a date rather than a tournament. So Goku ferrying Goten off to the mountains to train for the 25th TB may've been a one-off thing that he would've rarely done. I don't think Goku's the type of father to literally force his sons to fight. Like with Gohan, he realizes that he's not a fighter and perhaps he even learned with Gohan that they never will be. The training for the 25th TB was a one-off thing, and Goku probably wanted his son to participate to see Oob or kick him back into shape or something. It's not worth thinking too much about anyway, and Goten being a slacker, being forced to enter and having to fight Boo is kind of treated as a gag anyway.

So if Goku didn't necessarily force Goten to train, then I don't think Vegeta would've either. If Goten's out of shape, then why wouldn't Trunks be? They're both teenagers that would've gone off to have their own lives, and I believe, like Goku, even Vegeta (at this point) wouldn't act like a male Chi-Chi and force his kids to train. Him making Trunks enter was a one-off thing too, as he wasn't even going to enter in the first place until Goku brought up Oob anyway, so perhaps he, like, Goku, wanted his son to see Oob or kick him back into shape. The entire point of that scene was to show us that Goten and Trunks had become slackers and they didn't have a desire to fight anymore, since they're both being forced to piggyback on their fathers' desires of one-off entering a tournament as part of a one-off training exercise and/or to see Oob.

I feel like I've been rambling on and this post isn't structured too well, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to get at here.

[Toadster]

I think he did. It took him seven years or less to reach SSJ2, and he was considerably weaker than Gohan at the time. Given ten years of training, I think Vegeta could have gotten SSJ3, especially since his SSJ2 power was equal with Goku's.

Even if he didn't, SSJ3 Vegeta exists in the form of video games, so I'm cool with that.

[Rocketman]

Why do people assume the SS3 form exists independently of people reaching it? Don't think of it as a form, a thing that exists and all you have to do is find it. Think of it as what happens when you distort SS2 by jamming more power into it.

[Fox666]

Goku's line:

Goku: “N-no…That’s Fusion, no doubt about it, but…Thi-this is Super Saiyan 3…! Un-unbelievable…Those rotten little brats…They al-already became Super Saiyan 3, and that took me years to finally manage it…Am-amazin’…haha…amazin’…!”

[Turtle bits]

Do toys count as canon? Heh.

My answer is fairly boring, but while I dont doubt vegeta could reach ss3, hes perfectly able, hes a saiyan after all...it never said he did, so I assume not, besides, his rivalry sorta ended, but then again, by the Dragon ball online timeline, they still fight, perhaps him as ss3 could become canon in it? I dont know enough about it really, all I've been interested in is the timeline (I've seen the thread on here too, awesome resource for me btw.)

[batistabus]

Well...do we even know if Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 2?

[Saiga]

Well...do we even know if Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 2?

Have you not read the fight with Kid Boo? Or read the guidebooks?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Have you not read the fight with Kid Boo? Or read the guidebooks?

Or his fight with Goku, where he debuted the form...where it is outright stated by Gohan that both Goku and Vegeta are fighting at the level beyond Super Saiyan, which translates to Super Saiyan 2 before the term is actually coined some chapters later.

[batistabus]

Have you not read the fight with Kid Boo? Or read the guidebooks?

Or his fight with Goku, where he debuted the form...where it is outright stated by Gohan that both Goku and Vegeta are fighting at the level beyond Super Saiyan, which translates to Super Saiyan 2 before the term is actually coined some chapters later.

Well I wasn't sure about the whole Majin part because I haven't read that in the manga. I wasn't sure if they explicitly said it about the Boo fight. And I have not read any of the guidebooks. All I know from them is just information I've picked up here.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Furthermore, before Bobbodi's power-up, Vegeta's pretty confident that he's stronger than Gohan, who has SS2.

[Fox666]

The guidebooks explain that Goku and Vegeta reached Super Saiyan 2 through training. Besides Vegeta transforms at his own will after he was possessed by Babidi.

[batistabus]

Vegeta was stronger than Gohan at that point, but I just thought that was because of Gohan's severe lack of training. If the guidebooks say so, then I guess that stands for what it is. I wasn't sure if what I saw in the anime recently was filler; if the "electric" aura was just a byproduct of the Madoshi possession or a choice in animation.

[Dabooyaka]

Could he have unlocked Ssj3?? Sure, did he? I don't think so, nothing indicates that.

[SylentEcho]

If you think GT isn't canon, then there's no doubt that Vegeta attained SSJ3 in the time skip before DBZ ended.

[Mystic Gohan]

Yes he did, but then goku got ssj4, because vegeta isn't allowed to pass goku unless its an accident. Majin, goku gettting sic, blutz waves.

[SylentEcho]

Yes he did, but then goku got ssj4, because vegeta isn't allowed to pass goku unless its an accident. Majin, goku gettting sic, blutz waves.

I don't think you read my post at all.

If you count SSJ4 Goku as canon to the story line, then Vegeta did not get SSJ3 because we don't see it in GT. If you end the story where Toriyama ended it, then there's no doubt that Vegeta achieves it. He's really quick with his power ups and a good learner.

[Mystic Gohan]

Thats how it always happened, so it would prolly happen again. Vegeta catches up and goku finds a stronger form.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yes he did, but then goku got ssj4, because vegeta isn't allowed to pass goku unless its an accident. Majin, goku gettting sic, blutz waves.

I don't think you read my post at all.

If you count SSJ4 Goku as canon to the story line, then Vegeta did not get SSJ3 because we don't see it in GT.

We don't even see SSJ2 neither from him or Gohan, to my knoledge. We didn't see Gotenks. We didn't see Ultimate Gohan. There are a lot of things from Z that we don't see in GT, mainly because we always had Goku on the spotlight. Vegeta only had 2 serious fights: against Super #17, and against Yi Xing Long. In his fight with Super #17, he got KOed along with the rest quickly, so that Goku will have the big fight, and with Yi Xing Long, he became SSJ4, to fuse with Goku... So, maybe he had SSJ3 in GT, but didn't get the chance to show it, because of Toei loving Goku.