The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Saiga]

I'm leaning on Kid Boo, myself. I think SS3 Goku is the weakest here.

[dprez]

Dead Ssj3 Goku vs Kidbuu vs Ssj Gotenks(Post Rosat)

Ssj Gotenks I have as the strongest here. Even dead Goku is still only about equal with Kidboo ( slightly stronger imo ), but his lasting stamina enables him to kill Boo with relative ease with a full power kamehameha.

Kidboo is wiped out and Goku and Gotenks have at it, ending with one of them winning the fight with some sort of finishing technique. Goku has the edge in experience and techniques. Ssj Gotenks power is a decent bit higher than Ssj3 Goku's after his Rosat training, but not by so much that Goku can't hold his own long enough to take out the little inexperienced and over-confident pipsqueaks.

[lash]

Dead Ssj3 Goku vs Kidbuu vs Ssj Gotenks(Post Rosat)

I think he's fairly close, but I wouldn't regard SSJ Gotenks as superior or equal to either Goku or Boo.

Since there isn't a Vegeta for distraction so Dead Goku can successfully rev up his Ki, and since Pure Boo = Dead SSj3 Goku = Alive SSj3 Goku anyway... Boo wins due to infinite stamina.

[Mystic Gohan]

ssj gotenks post stomps. Piccolo feels that the boys could beat fat buu pre while he didnt think goku could and even though that is contradicted later, i think with the rosat, he should be a good margin superior to kid buu and goku.

[hleV]

All the things said in the manga make me believe that SSJ3 Goku is about equal to SSJ Gotenks. Why? SSJ3 Goku held back against fat Boo to let Gotenks (in SSJ version, most likely) aka the new generation handle the threat. As Goku had seen relatively weak Metamorians fuse into an incredible warrior in the afterlife, he was fairly confident that Goten & Trunks' fusion can defeat fat Boo in less than 30 minutes. While it's not clear who's superior to who, I'm making an assumption that they're not too far from each other.
So by that logic, post-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks should be above SSJ3 Goku, and thus the winner of the match against Pure Boo.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Gotenks, due to his incompetence, probably wouldn't even get the chance to use the Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack before he'd be wiped out by either Goku or Kid Boo, or alternatively turned to chocolate by Boo. And even if he did, chances are, if this is after his fight with Super Boo, he still probably wouldn't act in time to destroy the ashes, preferring to languish in his victory.

Goku, despite being dead, still wouldn't be able to get the time to conjure up the necessary ki to finish off Boo in one final blast, as they'd be in a constant battle. Well, unless Gotenks managed to hold out long enough that he'd be able to stall the toying Boo long enough for Goku to gather up ki and defeat Boo.

I'm not sure whether or not this one's been done before, but how about SS Gohan vs. SS Goten and Trunks?

I think that, despite being rustier than the two kids, he's still much stronger than them, and therefore would be able to defeat the two of them with some trouble.

[Fox666]

I think Gohan doesn't have enough power to knock one of the kids alone without being almost done himself, thus I don't think he would have any chance against both of them.

[Saiga]

I'd say Gohan is considerably stronger, and would defeat the pair without much trouble.

[Kaboom]

I'd say Gohan is considerably stronger, and would defeat the pair without much trouble.

Agreed. Goten is strong enough to impress him and be a good sparring partner... but in an actual win/lose fight, Gohan could beat him easily.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Gohan with ease.

[Rocketman]

Even if by some miracle, the kids together would overpower him, all Gohan would have to do is fly and it's back to one-on-one.

[Pantalones]

The kids struggled with #18 just because they were in an awkward costume, and even in Super Saiyan it didn't seem like they really had much (if any) of an advantage--only their ki blasts were actually enough to worry #18, so she could still realistically be above them by a pretty significant amount (look at Goku+Piccolo vs. Radditz, he was literally three times stronger than them but they could still pull off attacks that would've been a threat if they had hit.)

Gohan on the other hand is probably still a lot stronger than 2nd-form Cell (who made all of the Androids look like wimps) even after he got weaker during the seven years of not training.

Unless you for some reason assume #18 got stronger (which I guess is possible, she's still mostly human after all and Krillin could've taught her how to use and strengthen her "human ki" rather than relying entirely on her "artificial ki" from Dr. Gero's enhancements) or that Goten and Trunks were actually significantly stronger than her even though she didn't have any trouble with them until ki blasts got involved, there's no reason to believe Gohan couldn't kick their asses pretty easily in a real fight.

[MechaDragon-Z]

This may be a little off-topic but this was the only suitable place I could find to pose this question. When and where exactly does Piccolo Daimao state that he was using less than half of his power.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

He said it while he was beating down Goku during their first battle. Here's the quote:

Chapter: 143, P12.3
Piccolo: “Hohhohhoh…You have no chance of winning, no matter how you struggle, and you can’t run away either. It seems all that’s left for you is the road to death. I’m still not even putting out half of my power. Too bad for you…so then, what will you do?”

[MechaDragon-Z]

He said it while he was beating down Goku during their first battle. Here's the quote:

Chapter: 143, P12.3
Piccolo: “Hohhohhoh…You have no chance of winning, no matter how you struggle, and you can’t run away either. It seems all that’s left for you is the road to death. I’m still not even putting out half of my power. Too bad for you…so then, what will you do?”

Thanks. Till now I used to think it was the Young Piccolo Daimao who said that. By the way, do you also have the scan where it's stated 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Tien is stronger than Piccolo Daimao?

[Fox666]

It was also stated in the manga that during the 23rd Budokai, Piccolo was many times stronger than his parent.

Piccolo: “You think you can win? There’s no way you can…! I’ve…I’ve…leveled up so that I’m now many times stronger than I was when I fought you 3 years ago…!”

If Piccolo Daimao could beat Goku with less than half of his power, and Kame-sennin battle power was 139, that means Piccolo Daimao is at least 278.

By definition, a "few" is more than two, and "many" is more than a few, in other words Piccolo was at least four times stronger than before.

That all proves beyond doubt that Piccolo during the 23rd Budokai had a battle power of at least 1,112!!

[Saiga]

By the way, do you also have the scan where it's stated 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Tenshinhan is stronger than Piccolo Daimao?

That is never stated.

It was also stated in the manga that during the 23rd Budokai, Piccolo was many times stronger than his parent.

Piccolo: “You think you can win? There’s no way you can…! I’ve…I’ve…leveled up so that I’m now many times stronger than I was when I fought you 3 years ago…!”

If Piccolo Daimao could beat Goku with less than half of his power, and Kame-sennin battle power was 139, that means Piccolo Daimao is at least 278.

By definition, a "few" is more than two, and "many" is more than a few, in other words Piccolo was at least four times stronger than before.

That all proves beyond doubt that Piccolo during the 23rd Budokai had a battle power of at least 1,112!!

Not really. They could just be expressions instead of literally referring to battle power.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Exactly. People need to stop taking these statements so literally. It's not as if Piccolo was wearing a scouter or anything when he said this line. It's like one of those generalizations.

Also, battle powers in pre-Z DB can work. I understand that it's all subjective, but I created a pre-Z DB battle power list that I felt worked perfectly fine, without having to wrack my brain over-analyzing certain quotes in terms of mathematics when it's obvious that it wasn't meant to be looked at that way.

[Kid Buu]

Super Saiyan Gotenks would create some Kamikaze Ghosts and start launching them while the other two are fighting. Since both are unaware (then again, Vegito did know about the attack, but that might've been the Vegeta part) of the attack, I could see both of them attacking it and taking great damage in the process. From that point, I think Gotenks would be able to finish either with a Kame-Hame-Ha.

If he doesn't use that attack, I still see him being the strongest of all of them, and since Goku and Kid Boo working as a team is highly unlikely, I just can't see them doing anything effective here. Kid Boo would need to blow the planet up to have a chance here.

Didn't Vegetto make some comment that he wouldn't fall for a kids move?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Yes. He also knew the technique belonged to Gotenks.