Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[mysticboy]

^ I'll give both to Piccolo.
I think Yusuke is on the same level as Roshi. More or less.

[Perfect]

I don't remember Yu Yu Hakusho all that well, but didn't by the end of Chapter Black Kurama become an A-ranked demon or whatever? How strong does that actually make him in comparison to his former self?

[Saiga]

Mr. Satan vs Don Kanonji

[Hellspawn28]

I remember Piccolo in the 23'rd Budokai wipe out the whole island when he fought Goku. I doubt Kurama could take that level of damage since I remember most Yu Yu Hakusho characters where only strong enough to destory Mountains and City blocks?

[Darkprince410]

By the time that Kurama and the others reached their highest levels of power (end of the Chapter Black Saga onward), their only battles were in Makai, which was established as being far more durable an environment than the living world was. So what could be a large enough explosion to take out a city in the real world might only have enough force in it to destroy a mountain in Makai.

I believe with his abilities, Kurama (especially as Yoko Kurama) could take down Daimao or 23rd Budoukai Piccolo without much effort.

[mysticboy]

By the time that Kurama and the others reached their highest levels of power (end of the Chapter Black Saga onward), their only battles were in Makai, which was established as being far more durable an environment than the living world was. So what could be a large enough explosion to take out a city in the real world might only have enough force in it to destroy a mountain in Makai.

I believe with his abilities, Kurama (especially as Yoko Kurama) could take down Daimao or 23rd Budoukai Piccolo without much effort.

23rd Budokai Piccolo > Roshi > Moon.

[Hellspawn28]

^Yes but that would mean that Tao is a moon buster as well since he is stronger then Roshi and he is one of the weakest characters in the series . I always found Roshi's moon destroying feat to be another inconsistency seeing that he used the same attack to wipe out a Mountain and it did not damage to the surface. I don't think DB characters have the power to wipe out life and destory something like the Moon until the battle with Radditz.

[Perfect]

He destroyed a mountain while all the more being fairly rusty. He destroyed the Moon with likely a bit of training prior to stay on top of his pupils, plus the velocity gained from the Earth to space from the blast probably helped.

[Saiga]

It's easy - Dragon Ball's moon is nothing like the real world moon. It's smaller, easier to destroy and doesn't affect the tides so destroying it is inconsequential. Also it's apparently inside Earth's atmosphere.

[Perfect]

No it's just a matter of perspective, the Moon isn't in the Earth's atmosphere, especially seeing that I've seen the Moon at times where it was huuuge at night (and orange for whatever reason, pollution probably).

[Saiga]

You're right, it's not in Earth's atmosphere, but it still looks smaller than our moon in that picture. I think it's a better explanation for how Roshi can be strong enough to destroy it so early on in the story.

[Perfect]

Well that's also subject to interpretation seeing that we don't know how long the curve on the right goes, or even the left. However, yeah what you're saying is entirely plausible (though nothing states Roshi was using everything he had to blow out the flames, nor that he didn't train or put more power into the one that blew the Moon up).

[Bussani]

He destroyed a mountain while all the more being fairly rusty. He destroyed the Moon with likely a bit of training prior to stay on top of his pupils

There's still a pretty massive difference between destroying a mountain and destroying the moon--if we're using real life logic, that is. I mean, the energy to destroy our moon would be sufficient enough to melt the Earth. Then you get Daizenshuu lines like, "Piccolo Daimao's power is equivalent to a small nuclear bomb," which...well, you'd be hard pressed to even blow up a decently sized mountain with that, let alone a moon. But like I've said before, when does Dragon Ball care about real life logic?

[Rocketman]

that I've seen the Moon at times where it was huuuge at night (and orange for whatever reason, pollution probably).

Optical illusion. While the Moon does vary slightly in its distance from Earth as it travels its orbit, the difference is not that extreme.

The Moon appears orange sometimes for the same reason sunsets/sunrises do - light scattering in the atmosphere.

I worked out the maths - for Earth to loom that huge in the Moon's sky, the Moon would have to be 25,000 miles up. That's geosynchronous orbit, where it would hang in the same place in the sky at all times, complete one orbit every day, and blot out the Sun over a third of the planet.

It would also raise tides higher than the Empire State Building, so DB Earth's Moon is a puny little bitch compared to ours.

[Fox666]

You're right, it's not in Earth's atmosphere, but it still looks smaller than our moon in that picture. I think it's a better explanation for how Roshi can be strong enough to destroy it so early on in the story.

The panel wasn't draw realistically. In Dr. Slump we also see occasionally the Earth being draw similarily.

Still, there is no mention of the Moon being different from out real world in the guidebooks or what-so-ever. In fact, the whole pseudo-sciente regarding the Oozaru transformation in Saiyan saga seems to suggest that the Moon in Dragon Ball shouldn't be different from real life.

[Perfect]

Yeah that's what I was thinking. The moon could have just been close due to "optical illusions" from the perspective it's drawn, who knows.

[Darkprince410]

Back to the discussion of YYH vs. DBZ, if you take Shinobu Sensui's "boast" at face value, he needs to keep his strength considerably suppressed, otherwise it'd be enough to destroy Earth. We see some of the characters in Z (at least early on) powering up to their maximum and not affect it on the scale of what Shinobu's talking about, and while you could say they were all just suppressing their output to minimize damage, for some (like the enemies) that really wasn't the case and they didn't care.

[Pantalones]

It doesn't seem like he's saying he'll actually destroy the planet just by powering up to maximum, just that he keeps himself suppressed because he doesn't want to cause that much stress/collateral damage to the world itself. The image I got when reading that page was more "powering up will cause unnatural earthquakes and hurricanes and stuff like that" rather than "powering up will make the whole planet go boom." In other words, about the same sort of thing that happens when anyone beyond the Saiyan saga in DBZ powers up.

That doesn't necessarily mean he's automatically more powerful than Piccolo just because his "power-up side effects" are on that level, though. YYH and DBZ were written by different people, so exactly what side-effects a very powerful character powering up might have, and how much power it takes to cause one effect or another on the planet, isn't going to be consistent between them.

You can kind of compare it to how in Bleach, random hollows in the next city over start dying just from the spiritual pressure of the top three Espada powering up in preparation for their upcoming battles--nobody in DBZ ever causes random weaklings miles away to die just from the force of powering up, but that doesn't mean the Espada are automatically stronger than anyone in DBZ. Just that the side-effects of strong people powering up are different in Bleach than they are in DBZ.

[dario03]

DBZ isn't even consistent in its own universe. I always thought the whole causing mass destruction from powering up was more of a not fully mastered ones power or just showing off kind of thing. Notice how Vegeta powering up in the saiyan arc did more than Gohan powering up when he fought super buu.

[UnbiasedDBZfan]

Fine how about.
Goku vs John Cena(Face 2007)
Note: John Cena is practically unbeatable in 2007.