I think at this point Goku is getting pretty darn close to matching Gotenks' power, but isn't quite there yet. Even if he was caught up, he'd likely run into the same problems with Super Saiyan 3's energy drain as when against Pure Boo. Either way, Goku puts up a good fight but loses.In Brightest Day wrote:Super Saiyan 3 Goku (28th Budokai) vs. Super Buu.
I don't really like gt, but here goes. Logically Syn Shenron should be stronger than every villain up to that point, so i give it to him.Silkman3003 wrote:Super 17(post 10x kamehameha and after absorbing Android 18's blasts) vs Syn Shenron
Scenario 1: No knowledge for both
Scenario 2: Full for both
plz answer this
Rocketman wrote:Where you born unable to understand jokes or is this the result of years of hard training?
Can you show me the site of the Perfect Files are? I'm sceptical about guides and so.CatouttaHell wrote:GT Trunks destroys Chibi Trunks with the air current he generates by blinking IMO.
He's at least somewhat relevant to GT Goku and is implied to be close to GT Gohan, who the GT Perfect Files says is above Ultimate Gohan in base. Not to mention he has SSjin 2 while Chibi Trunks doesn't.
He what?!CatouttaHell wrote:GT Trunks destroys Chibi Trunks with the air current he generates by blinking IMO.
He's at least somewhat relevant to GT Goku and is implied to be close to GT Gohan, who the GT Perfect Files says is above Ultimate Gohan in base. Not to mention he has SSjin 2 while Chibi Trunks doesn't.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Whatever power gains Gokuu would've made in those 10 years bumming around on Earth without sparring partners (or at least, not ones that can really boost his strength up that much; Goten and Pan are still far beneath him, and after the time-skip, we see that Goten is lying on the ground heavily panting, while Gokuu is standing up looking fine) would've been negligible. Even if Gokuu managed to minimize the energy strain of SS3, Boo's still much stronger than him and has regeneration. So Boo would win.In Brightest Day wrote:Super Saiyan 3 Goku (28th Budokai) vs. Super Buu.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Herms translated part of it here.UnbiasedDBZfan wrote:Can you show me the site of the Perfect Files are? I'm sceptical about guides and so.
Since Gohan kept training, it only makes sense that his base form is above his Mightiest of Warriors form from Z and that he simply regained SSjin and SSjin 2 on top of it from training IMO.Herms wrote:Son Gohan
He transformed when fighting with Goten after Goten had been taken over by Baby!! It seems that even in times of peace, he hasn’t neglected his training. The differences in Gohan’s facial expressions before and after transforming are the most intense out of any warrior!!
He definitely has SSjin 2 IMO. He went into some form of SSjin when Baby tried to possess him and had an electrical aura reminiscent of SSjin 2.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He what?!
Rocketman wrote:Where you born unable to understand jokes or is this the result of years of hard training?
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Kaboom wrote:"Dragon Ball GT: Not even its own official guidebook can make any sense out of it."
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Gohan wasn't a SSJ2. The movie copied and pasted his design from the World Tournament arc. Gohan never became a SSJ2 in the Great Saiyaman arc. Also the hair in both arcs are different. Gohan's hair in the world tournament arc is sharper and longer. Also Gohan's SSJ2 and MSSJ have the same hairstyle regardless as shown in the Dabura fight. For Gohan to be a SSJ2 in the Tournament arc he needs that nice erratic aura and/or the sparks. IN Movie 10 Gohan had a lighter aura and no sparks. Some may say that Goku is seen with no sparks/aura. Well the difference between Goku's SSJ and SSJ2 are fairly easy to differentiate between. Gohan's is not.Piccolo Daimao wrote:Aren't Toei quite inconsistent with their portrayals of auras and lightning, though? That's why we had that confusion with Gohan being SS in DBZ Movie #10, when the design sheets show him as SS2.
But I think there is a big difference beetween that small piece of information and "the GT Perfect Files says [GT Gohan] is above Ultimate Gohan in base".CatouttaHell wrote:Since Gohan kept training, it only makes sense that his base form is above his Mightiest of Warriors form from Z and that he simply regained SSjin and SSjin 2 on top of it from training IMO.
The only argument for him losing it is that it "atrophied" from laziness, but that is impossible if he didn't neglect his training.
Oh well, but the anime always had problem in showing any significant difference beetween regular Saiyans and Super Saiyans.CatouttaHell wrote:GT Base Gohan was also able to put up a fight against General Rild, who was stated to be stronger than some form of Boo, which is most likely Gohan-Boo considering how much Base Goku had powered up by then IMO.
First of all. Stop using videos from "dragonball fights" to try to prove your case. When that video already has holes in itself. Furthermore, the fact that he blocks people who comment on his videos, as well as chooses what to accept should already prove his credibility. IE none.Gohan wasn't a SSJ2. The movie copied and pasted his design from the World Tournament arc. Gohan never became a SSJ2 in the Great Saiyaman arc. Also the hair in both arcs are different. Gohan's hair in the world tournament arc is sharper and longer. Also Gohan's SSJ2 and MSSJ have the same hairstyle regardless as shown in the Dabura fight. For Gohan to be a SSJ2 in the Tournament arc he needs that nice erratic aura and/or the sparks. IN Movie 10 Gohan had a lighter aura and no sparks. Some may say that Goku is seen with no sparks/aura. Well the difference between Goku's SSJ and SSJ2 are fairly easy to differentiate between. Gohan's is not.
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I'm sure that if he was SSJ2, then the Perfect Files would have noted it. Besides, even Goku Jr. had electric aura, and he defenately wasn't SSJ2, as his hair was SSJ Goku-style, and not SSJ2 Goku-style. Toei just doesn't know where to place the electric aura.CatouttaHell wrote:He definitely has SSjin 2 IMO. He went into some form of SSjin when Baby tried to possess him and had an electrical aura reminiscent of SSjin 2.
Plus when he tried to fight Golden Great Ape Vegeta-Baby, he punched him many times in SSjin without the slightest effect, then did some quick power-up that caused his aura to distinctly change and become far more robust/flamelike, and he is now capable of budging Baby's head back a good deal.
It's definitely debateable, especially since the GT Perfect Files seems to think nobody ever went SSjin 2 in GT, but I personally feel those two instances are strong proof of Trunks being a SSjin 2.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
I agree. But remember Fat Boo is nothing in GT. Even Mega Cannon Sigma>Fat Boo.Kaboom wrote:The idea that "Gohan didn't neglect his training" in and of itself already makes me wonder if Toei's writers had paid any attention whatsoever to the manga.
In Brightest Day wrote:Super Saiyan 3 Goku (28th Budokai) vs. Super Buu.
In my book, Oob (Raged) =/< Majin Boo (pure) < Base Goku (end of Z) , so SSJ3 Goku (end of Z) >>> Majin Boo (Evil)In Brightest Day wrote:Super Saiyan 3 Goku (28th Budokai) vs. Super Buu.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
