Does it irritate you when people say DB was poorly written?

Perfect · Post by **Perfect** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:40 pm

While he doesn't remember the story and random things about it, it's clear he remembers some of his conceptual designs and why he had certain things in the story happen. It's not impossible for him to remember some of the things he's asking, granted it's also not impossible for him to say, "Dabra... Oh was that one of Freeza's henchmen?"

FindKenshi · Post by **FindKenshi** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:45 pm

With such a wide spectrum of Dragon Ball fans at this board, it always amazes me that it seems I'm the only one who cares about such things. So be it. I'm not ashamed in the least. I suspect there are others too who would have a fan-gasm were Toriyama to answer these questions and more, but they exercise more restraint than I do.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:51 pm

FindKenshi wrote:With such a wide spectrum of Dragon Ball fans at this board, it always amazes me that it seems I'm the only one who cares about such things. So be it. I'm not ashamed in the least. I suspect there are others too who would have a fan-gasm were Toriyama to answer these questions and more, but they exercise more restraint than I do.

It's not that I & the others don't care. But if we knew all the mysteries of Dragon Ball, there wouldn't be debates on forums like this. The fans wouldn't have to think about unaswered things in Dragon Ball, because everything would be answered. Everyone would just read/watch Dragon Ball, and that's it. They would forget it after some time, if they have nothing to say about it, especialy if new stuff had stopped been released. At least that's what I believe.

dprez · Post by **dprez** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:55 pm

FindKenshi wrote:With such a wide spectrum of Dragon Ball fans at this board, it always amazes me that it seems I'm the only one who cares about such things. So be it. I'm not ashamed in the least. I suspect there are others too who would have a fan-gasm were Toriyama to answer these questions and more, but they exercise more restraint than I do.

Sure I'd like to ask him all those questions, but he would probably appreciate it if I didn't.

One thing I can say for certain, he wouldn't be able to give a credible answer that all DBZ fans would agree with anyway.

DBZ Mick · Post by **DBZ Mick** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:00 pm

FindKenshi wrote:To be perfectly honest, thanking Akira Toriyama would be furthest from my mind, were I to ever meet him. I'd rather nerdishly bombard him with questions such as Super Buu VS. Kid Buu, Gohan's SSj form while fighting Dabra, how specifically does Dabra compare with Cell in terms of battle power, who is stronger between Krillin and Tenshinhan, what about Goku's Kaio-ken usage while he's fighting Freeza, and other such things. If that makes me a really immature person, or gives you the image of "Comic Book Guy" from The Simpsons when trying to picture me, so be it.

Honestly, I wouldn't even ask the man these kind of questions. I'd rather ask about how he got his ideas, inspirations ie.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:00 pm

dprez wrote:One thing I can say for certain, he wouldn't be able to give a credible answer that all DBZ fans would agree with anyway.

That's the thing. Even when Toriyama or a guide does give answers, they're almost always worded vaguely and get interpreted many different ways by many different people. Fans end up arguing about the meaning of the answer itself. It's pretty funny, really.

dprez · Post by **dprez** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:09 pm

Yea, and for some people who want to know these kinds of things, like Pure Boos power, ect, they really just want their "I told you so!" moment. They aren't really interested in actually knowing the truth, but just throwing it in the face of everyone who thought otherwise, because in their mind, they knew the truth all along.

DBZ Mick wrote:
FindKenshi wrote:To be perfectly honest, thanking Akira Toriyama would be furthest from my mind, were I to ever meet him. I'd rather nerdishly bombard him with questions such as Super Buu VS. Kid Buu, Gohan's SSj form while fighting Dabra, how specifically does Dabra compare with Cell in terms of battle power, who is stronger between Krillin and Tenshinhan, what about Goku's Kaio-ken usage while he's fighting Freeza, and other such things. If that makes me a really immature person, or gives you the image of "Comic Book Guy" from The Simpsons when trying to picture me, so be it.
Honestly, I wouldn't even ask the man these kind of questions. I'd rather ask about how he got his ideas, inspirations ie.

This is what I was honestly thinking. I may jokingly quickly start with "Ok, Kid Boo vs Super Boo! GO!! *Microphone to his mouth.

DBZ Mick · Post by **DBZ Mick** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:22 pm

If I was him I'd be thinking why do people care so much about that kind of crap (no offence, FindKenshi)

dprez · Post by **dprez** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:32 pm

DBZ Mick wrote:If I was him I'd be thinking why do people care so much about that kind of crap (no offence, FindKenshi)

lol, yea. Although I'm sure he understands why we'd want to know so badly. He created a world-wide phenomenon, filled with characters with "battle powers" who battle. Match up and versus questions are to be expected. Though I'm sure he finds it funny that we care so much.

Cipher · Post by **Cipher** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:54 pm

Re: "Toriyama doesn't/didn't care about the story!"

I think it's obvious he cared very about the story a great deal. He just cared more about making it fun than making it coherent. Most of the clarifications or supplemental information he's provided over the years seem to have been made up on the spot.

AgitoZ · Post by **AgitoZ** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:01 pm

It doesn't really irritate me when people say DB is poorly written, since I would agree (to a certain degree). But, I always saw that the "well" written parts out weighed the "poorly" written.

Not to mention, for a man writing by the seat of his pants it could've been MUCH worse. I'm surprised it turned out as well as it did.

FindKenshi · Post by **FindKenshi** » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:05 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But if we knew all the mysteries of Dragon Ball, there wouldn't be debates on forums like this.

That could be seen as a huge plus for the admin and clean up crew alike, I'm sure. It seems 90% of the times VegettoEX has to intervene is during these debates.

dprez wrote:Yea, and for some people who want to know these kinds of things, like Pure Boos power, ect, they really just want their "I told you so!" moment. They aren't really interested in actually knowing the truth, but just throwing it in the face of everyone who thought otherwise, because in their mind, they knew the truth all along.

This isn't the case, for anyone, I'd like to think. If that's why they wanted the answer, they aren't worthy of recieving it.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:18 am

FindKenshi wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But if we knew all the mysteries of Dragon Ball, there wouldn't be debates on forums like this.
That could be seen as a huge plus for the admin and clean up crew alike, I'm sure. It seems 90% of the times VegettoEX has to intervene is during these debates.

The stuff intervene in the debates because people are getting offensive to others, not because they are annoyed with the debates. What's the purpose of a forum with hundreds of members without debates?

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:09 am

I do not, as nobody is saying this to me. I'm not discussing dragon ball with people outside of the message board realm.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:54 pm

Well...it kinda is at times, so I wouldn't be all that mad.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:23 pm

Surprisingly most people I talk to never really take swings at Dragonball's writing. Well at least when they do they equate the fights to being nothing more then sitting an staring for 30 minutes; which is more of an anime problem and not a manga thing. The people who make cracks at this aren't wrong so I don't get irritated but I just think it's funny that when you read the manga, Toriyama cuts right to the action. But see, I'd rather have people complain about that then about how Toriyama likes to write himself into a corner; which again is totally true. I just like his creative ways with dealing with it. The more I read about how he did things out of forgetfulness or laziness that more he reminds me that he's pretty much Goku. Which is funny.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:56 pm

That's what BLEACH elitists say when we say BLEACH has no plot. They all come around and say "How can Toriyama be a better writer than Kubo when he makes mistakes 90% of the time and makes all these plotholes and recycles the plot over and over and favors Goku over everyone else and works with short-term memory loss?" and such.

Well, I wouldn't say Toriyama is the greatest author of all time, but there times when the plot gets week or poorly written.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:07 pm

Next time it happens, say this "Dragonball's writing has nothing to do with Bleaches inability to produce a plot." then smile and walk away. He will be sad and never bring up the subject again.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:09 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:Next time it happens, say this "Dragonball's writing has nothing to do with Bleaches inability to produce a plot." then smile and walk away. He will be sad and never bring up the subject again.

I wish it was that simple to convince them!

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:28 pm

SHINOBI-03 wrote:
SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:Next time it happens, say this "Dragonball's writing has nothing to do with Bleaches inability to produce a plot." then smile and walk away. He will be sad and never bring up the subject again.
I wish it was that simple to convince them!

It's not about conving them, it's about convincing everyone else. In attempt to make this video Dragonball related, pretend Dragonball is vanilla ice cream and Bleach is chocolate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW87GRmunMY

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