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by dbgtFO » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:57 am
Fox666 wrote:Piccolo Daimao wrote:I think Nappa is there times Gurd's strength, but if Gohan and Kuririn, who can sense ki and are definitely more level-headed than the quick-tempered Nappa, were almost killed by him, Nappa would certainly lose.
I really doubt that Nappa is anywhere close to Guldo.
Ginyu: “But who are the two with him? It seems that they have considerably high battle powers…”
Eh, that doesn't say anything about Nappa compared to Guldo.?
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Despite that, the power the both of them had at the time wasn't anything Guldo would fear. It was only when they powered-up to over 10,000 that Guldo tought differently.
Yes, but Guldo wouldn't know about their suppressed readings, since no one told him and he didn't have a scouter himself.
Like PD above, I too think that in power alone, Nappa is greatly superior to Guldo, though with Guldo's abilities that doesn't guarantee him the win.
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by Silkman3003 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:11 am
Frieza vs Garlic JR
Scenario 1: Transformed GJ vs 2nd Form Frieza
Scenario 2: Transformed GJ vs 3rd Form Frieza
- Frieza can't destroy the Makyo star
- GJ won't use the Deadzone
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by FNF » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:32 pm
Silkman3003 wrote:Freeza vs Garlic JR
Scenario 1: Transformed GJ vs 2nd Form Freeza
Scenario 2: Transformed GJ vs 3rd Form Freeza
- Freeza can't destroy the Makyo star
- GJ won't use the Deadzone
I would say GJ is stronger than 2nd form Freeza(max) but slower so imo GJ may win but may lose. It's 50/50 really.
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by Fox666 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:34 pm
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Either way, there's no definitive evidence on Gurd's power, and my stance is that Nappa would lose to him because of his psychic powers anyway.
Going by his special powers, I myself think Vegeta at 30,000 would probably loose to Guldo...
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:05 pm
Fox666 wrote:Piccolo Daimao wrote:Either way, there's no definitive evidence on Gurd's power, and my stance is that Nappa would lose to him because of his psychic powers anyway.
Going by his special powers, I myself think Vegeta at 30,000 would probably loose to Guldo...
I thought it was implied that Vegeta could've defeated Gurd, since he berated Gohan and Kuririn for attacking him head-on. So he probably could've quickly killed Gurd before he had the chance to stop time.
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by Fox666 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:22 pm
If Kuririn couldn't break the Dragon Ball before Guldo stopped the time, I barely see how you can escape him... unless he is not expecting you to attack.
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by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:18 pm
I wonder if Gurd's telekinesis would've stopped Vegeta. I don't think anyone has an answer for Time Stop. I also wonder if he's actually capable of attacking them while they're stopped, since he complains about it taking up too much power.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:48 pm
Fox666 wrote:If Kuririn couldn't break the Dragon Ball before Guldo stopped the time, I barely see how you can escape him... unless he is not expecting you to attack.
No, I mean, Vegeta would take Gurd by surprise or kill him so fast that he wouldn't be able to stop time...in time. Gurd himself was surprised by how fast and close Gohan and Kuririn were coming at him, and they were attacking head-on, so imagine how it would go with Vegeta, a much faster warrior who probably knows more about how to deal with opponents who have abilities like this, since he'd been going around conquering planets with all kinds of strange aliens.
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I also wonder if he's actually capable of attacking them while they're stopped, since he complains about it taking up too much power.
Probably not.
Strength Checker wrote:Chapter: 274 (DBZ 80), P4.5
Context: while having trouble fighting Gohan and Kuririn
Gurd: “D-damn it…! It uses up far too much energy to attack while keeping time stopped…!”
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by Rocketman » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:31 pm
Vegeta is capable of more fighting techniques than CHAREG HEADFIRST. Gohan isn't.
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by Kaboom » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:40 pm
Kuririn is typically a helluva lot more skilled and tactical than Gohan too, but that didn't seem to help him against Gurd.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:57 pm
Kaboom wrote:Kuririn is typically a helluva lot more skilled and tactical than Gohan too, but that didn't seem to help him against Gurd.
Yeah, because he attacked headfirst, which Vegeta, who's more experienced and/or knows more about these kinds of guys, warned them against.
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by Son Geeko » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:33 am
Whoops, wrong thread.
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by In Brightest Day » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:30 am
Lets say that one day Freeza's henchman/associates all decide to overthrow him.
Freeza:
vs.
Freeza's (former) army:
- Captain Ginyu
- Abo
- Kado
- Recoome
- Burter
- Jeice
- Gurd
- Zarbon
- Dodoria
- Cui
- Appule
- Vegeta
- Tarble
- Nappa
- Raditz.
Rules/notes:
- the Saiyans are in their Great Ape/Oozaru form
- Freeza has no idea of the planned revolt
- Freeza can at no stage transform.
If they all band together, can they take Freeza down?
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by Kaboom » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:53 am
Captain Ginyu and Ozaru Vegeta are the only characters Freeza might have to halfway break a sweat against. The rest are cannon fodder for him. He takes them all on at once. Shortest rebellion ever.
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by Saiga » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:56 am
Ginyu switches bodies and Vegeta finishes him off.
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by Kaboom » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:02 am
Saiga wrote:Ginyu switches bodies and Vegeta finishes him off.
Haha, you're right. I guess that would be their one slim hope.
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by NANLIT » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:03 am
Ginyu still gets trapped in a frog and Freeza chops off the Siyans' tails before killing everyone.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:20 am
In Brightest Day wrote:Freeza:
vs.
Freeza's (former) army:
- Captain Ginyu
- Abo
- Kado
- Recoome
- Burter
- Jeice
- Gurd
- Zarbon
- Dodoria
- Cui
- Appule
- Vegeta
- Tarble
- Nappa
- Raditz.
Well, I have some questions conserning Abo & Kado.
1) Can they merge?
2) From which era? In the Special, they were said to be at Freeza level, but were also said to be at Ginyu level during the Freeza arc.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Silkman3003 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:55 pm
Super Buu(base) vs these dbz characters.
In one condition. Super Buu(base) will literally go inside his opponent in order to blow his opponent up from the inside. He's essentially using this attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpNR9d-2Ed4
Which character can survive, or counter this attack(similar to what Super Vegito did).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTZt1YC_ ... re=related
Who dies a horrible/ painful death?
This is in no particular order
1. Ssj2 Kid Gohan(lol)
2. Majin Vegeta
3. SSj3 Goku
4. Ssj3 Gotenks
5. Mystic Gohan
6. Fat Janemba
7. Super Janemba
8. Base Hirudegarn
9. Base Vegito( Buuhan will only do this however..)
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:16 pm
Son Geeko wrote:Mr. Satan
VS
This guy:

Shouldn't this go
somewhere else?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.