Did Kid Goku start out with a power-level of 10?

[demonmist606]

I'm talking about the first time he appeared on screen where he caught a giant fish and met Bulma for the first time.

I don't know what to believe anymore about power-levels other than what I see on the screen. I have heard before that its what he started out with the first time we see him. Is it true?

[Goten Forever]

Power levels that dont appear inseries are never announced by Toriyama, just purely speculation by Toei, FUNi or the watchers.

I've heard of goku being PL10, making him weaker than Mr Satan who I think has a PL of 100.

[hleV]

Yes.

[Kaboom]

Yes, he did. Just keep in mind that numeric battle powers are a measurement of Ki. So even though Goku only had about twice the amount of Ki as the average human at the time, his Saiyan physiology made him far physically stronger and tougher than any human, and most other things, at that level.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Daizenshuu 7 and the Super Exciting Guide list start-of-DB Gokuu as having a battle power of 10.

[demonmist606]

Power levels that dont appear inseries are never announced by Toriyama, just purely speculation by Toei, FUNi or the watchers.

I've heard of goku being PL10, making him weaker than Mr Satan who I think has a PL of 100.

Mr. Satan was pretty strong for a human being though. He survived a slap from Cell and then flying out getting hit in the head by a mountain.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Mr. Satan was pretty strong for a human being though. He survived a slap from Cell and getting hit in the head in a mountain.

You shouldn't take gag scenes as feats for characters' strengths.

Later, in the Boo arc, Mr. Satan was downed by one bullet and had to have Mr. Boo revive him, while Gokuu took a barrage of bullets to the head and barely took any damage.

[demonmist606]

Mr. Satan was pretty strong for a human being though. He survived a slap from Cell and getting hit in the head in a mountain.

You shouldn't take gag scenes as feats for characters' strengths.

Later, in the Boo arc, Mr. Satan was downed by one bullet and had to have Mr. Boo revive him, while Gokuu took a barrage of bullets to the head and took barely any damage at all.

Yeah I get that but still I think he is still pretty strong for a human being. Would have him in the teir just below Yamcha.

Plus I don't think he had a power-level of 100. Does it say anywhere that he did?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah I get that but still I think he is still pretty strong for a human being. Would have him in the teir just below Yamcha.

Plus I don't think he had a power-level of 100. Does it say anywhere that he did?

Yeah, he's strong. I just don't think he's as strong as many people say.

And no, it's just fan conjecture that his battle power is 100. His battle power isn't listed in any official publications.

[demonmist606]

Yeah I get that but still I think he is still pretty strong for a human being. Would have him in the teir just below Yamcha.

Plus I don't think he had a power-level of 100. Does it say anywhere that he did?

Yeah, he's strong. I just don't think he's as strong as many people say.

And no, it's just fan conjecture that his battle power is 100. His battle power isn't listed in any official publications.

IMO, he had a power-level of about 6 or 7 above the farmer and below Yamcha at the beginning of the series whom I believe had a power-level of about 8 or 9.

[NANLIT]

He wasn't relly weaker than Yamcha at the beginning though. First time around, he was hungry and that weakened him but the second fight when he was not hungry, he won.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah I get that but still I think he is still pretty strong for a human being. Would have him in the teir just below Yamcha.

Plus I don't think he had a power-level of 100. Does it say anywhere that he did?

Yeah, he's strong. I just don't think he's as strong as many people say.

And no, it's just fan conjecture that his battle power is 100. His battle power isn't listed in any official publications.

IMO, he had a power-level of about 6 or 7 above the farmer and below Yamcha at the beginning of the series whom I believe had a power-level of about 8 or 9.

Agreed.

[Mystic Gohan]

I think satan is probably at 7.

[Fox666]

First of all, Mr. Satan is nowhere stronger than what a regular human could be. In his first appearance, Goku could pulverize giant rocks, lift giant animals and survive bullets, and Mr. Satan is nowhere close to being capable of doing any of these.

And the battle power of 10 for Goku is probably to show the difference beetween him and Kame-sennin. While Kame-sennin could extinguish a mountain with a Kamehameha, Goku barely managed to destroy a vehicle. And since we have seen Yamcha fighting fairly well with Goku at the beggining of the series, Kame-sennin defeated him in the 21st Budokai by moving the wind with his hands.

[dprez]

I never went with that power level of 10 for Goku at the beginning of Dragon Ball. Makes no sense, similar to a lot of the other power levels in the guide books...

How can a farmer be at 5, and a kid who can take a frickin' bullet to the head and call it a "little ouchie!", be only twice as strong as the fat farmer. That should explain it right there...

The ki thing is a plausible explanation for the farmer being at 5 and Goku at 10, but I don't buy it.

[Fox666]

I never went with that power level of 10 for Goku at the beginning of Dragon Ball. Makes no sense, similar to a lot of the other power levels in the guide books...

And a lot in the manga too.

How can a farmer be at 5, and a kid who can take a frickin' bullet to the head and call it a "little ouchie!", be only twice as strong as the fat farmer. That should explain it right there...

Such logic don't exist and has never been used in the manga.

[dprez]

I never went with that power level of 10 for Goku at the beginning of Dragon Ball. Makes no sense, similar to a lot of the other power levels in the guide books...

And a lot in the manga too.

Well, they are in the manga right...

How can a farmer be at 5, and a kid who can take a frickin' bullet to the head and call it a "little ouchie!", be only twice as strong as the fat farmer. That should explain it right there...

Such logic don't exist and has never been used in the manga.

Maybe so, but I still find it funny that Goku is supposedly only twice as strong as the farmer going by that power level.

[Kaboom]

Maybe so, but I still find it funny that Goku is supposedly only twice as strong as the farmer going by that power level.

Only twice as strong in terms of Ki, remember. Goku hasn't had much training yet aside from some basic kung-fu under Gohan's tutelage. His amount of Ki, and thus his numeric battle power, near assuredly wouldn't start to grow at least until he learned and started regularly using the Kamehameha.

Otherwise, he gets his insane physical strength and durability from his Saiyan heritage.

[Fox666]

Maybe so, but I still find it funny that Goku is supposedly only twice as strong as the farmer going by that power level.

It's funny that Vegeta anihiquilated Cui with a Kiai attack, but couldn't instantly get rid of Goku at 8,000 beetween Kaio-ken charges.

Battle powers aren't consistent enough in the manga for us to talk about proportions.

[dprez]

Yea I guess the ki explanation, well, explains it. He's just a tough little saiyan bastard, but his actual ki power was only twice that of a normal man. That makes sense.

Maybe so, but I still find it funny that Goku is supposedly only twice as strong as the farmer going by that power level.

It's funny that Vegeta anihiquilated Cui with a Kiai attack, but couldn't instantly get rid of Goku at 8,000 beetween Kaio-ken charges.

Battle powers aren't consistent enough in the manga for us to talk about proportions.

Vegeta was simply testing Gokus abilities, but I see what you mean.