Future Trunks at peace

[Hades]

Wouldn't that be counterproductive because if Trunks became Kami, he'd be very limited in what he could do himself to stop any new threats? The whole 'people shouldn't rely on Kami to fix their problems and create their own miracles' bit and all.

Thing is, Kami did get involved, with Piccolo, the Saiyans, Freeza, the Androids and ultimately Cell. Dende also got involved in the Buu saga. I mean, the whole "people have to solve their own problems come hell or high water" is every bit as bad as the Federation's Prime Directive when they would stand by while pre-warp civilisations are destroyed.

He's probably the only pure and super-strong candidate for the God of Earth left, so maybe. But I don't think he ever did, since if he became God, then he may not be allowed to fend off any future threats, and there are practically no super warriors left. Even if Kame-sennin took on a new school of students, none of them would have Saiyan blood, therefore they'd never be strong enough to even defeat enemies stronger than Freeza.

I am sure that given the situation of Earth should Trunks ascend to Kami, he would be allowed to take a more proactive approach to protecting the earth. He can cite Kami's interventionism, saying something along the lines of "it is better that earth depends on me rather than turn into a graveyard."

[Saiga]

I can't see him achieving Super Saiyan 2 because with the word at peace there wouldn't be much reason to train excessively. I think he could obtain it only if he really pushed himself and I don't see why he would push himself that hard.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Wouldn't that be counterproductive because if Trunks became Kami, he'd be very limited in what he could do himself to stop any new threats? The whole 'people shouldn't rely on Kami to fix their problems and create their own miracles' bit and all.

Thing is, Kami did get involved, with Piccolo, the Saiyans, Freeza, the Androids and ultimately Cell. Dende also got involved in the Buu saga. I mean, the whole "people have to solve their own problems come hell or high water" is every bit as bad as the Federation's Prime Directive when they would stand by while pre-warp civilisations are destroyed.

God got involved with Piccolo because he knew Gokuu, the only one who could defeat him, wouldn't be able to kill Piccolo because he knew that God would die too. God only trained the Earthlings; he didn't directly try to stop the Saiyans. He was dead for most of the Freeza arc and restored Piccolo and co.'s bodies, but that's it. Still not a direct action.

He didn't do anything about the Androids (you could argue that, since he overlooks the Earth, he could do what Bulma proposed: find Gero and kill him before the Androids were activated, and Vegeta would be none the wiser). With Cell, he only merged with Piccolo, who'd come to him in the first place to merge, not the other way round. And again, it wasn't a direct action.

I can't remember exactly what Dende did, but he had no credentials for becoming God of Earth other than being able to create Dragon Balls. He was a child and not as experienced or trained as the previous God. In fact, I doubt he even needed to be God: he could've just made the DBs and returned to Namek. It's actually safer that way, so he wouldn't risk death on Earth.

He's probably the only pure and super-strong candidate for the God of Earth left, so maybe. But I don't think he ever did, since if he became God, then he may not be allowed to fend off any future threats, and there are practically no super warriors left. Even if Kame-sennin took on a new school of students, none of them would have Saiyan blood, therefore they'd never be strong enough to even defeat enemies stronger than Freeza.

I am sure that given the situation of Earth should Trunks ascend to Kami, he would be allowed to take a more proactive approach to protecting the earth. He can cite Kami's interventionism, saying something along the lines of "it is better that earth depends on me rather than turn into a graveyard."

There are probably holy rules or something like that, which was probably the same reason God didn't intervene during Piccolo Daimaou's first reign, even though it was his fault Daimaou even existed in the first place and, therefore, his responsibility. Although I guess you could argue God saw that Mutaito could use the Mafuuba to seal Daimaou.

I can't see him achieving Super Saiyan 2 because with the word at peace there wouldn't be much reason to train excessively. I think he could obtain it only if he really pushed himself and I don't see why he would push himself that hard.

Actually, yeah, I've changed my mind. I don't think Trunks reached SS2 either, since, unlike Gokuu and Vegeta, he doesn't have the same drive as full-blooded Saiyans and there was nothing for him to work towards. Gokuu had the advantage of afterlife training and, well, he's Gokuu. Vegeta trains himself to death in order to surpass Gokuu. Also, like I said, Trunks may need a rage catalyst like Gohan, as they're both half-Saiyans.

[Hades]

God got involved with Piccolo because he knew Gokuu, the only one who could defeat him, wouldn't be able to kill Piccolo because he knew that God would die too. God only trained the Earthlings; he didn't directly try to stop the Saiyans. He was dead for most of the Freeza arc and restored Piccolo and co.'s bodies, but that's it. Still not a direct action.

He didn't do anything about the Androids (you could argue that, since he overlooks the Earth, he could do what Bulma proposed: find Gero and kill him before the Androids were activated, and Vegeta would be none the wiser). With Cell, he only merged with Piccolo, who'd come to him in the first place to merge, not the other way round. And again, it wasn't a direct action.

Yes, he didn't get directly involved, but he did act when a cataclysm was threatening the Earth. Even when he was around in the Freeza saga, he co-ordinated the wish to revive everyone killed by Freeza and his men and the wish to get everyone save Goku and Freeza away from the now-exploding Namek.

I can't remember exactly what Dende did, but he had no credentials for becoming God of Earth other than being able to create Dragon Balls. He was a child and not as experienced or trained as the previous God. In fact, I doubt he even needed to be God: he could've just made the DBs and returned to Namek. It's actually safer that way, so he wouldn't risk death on Earth.

I think he had healed Gohan, gone with the Kaioshins to New Namek and petitioned for the Namekians to summon Porunga. And I think as part of the rules of being God of Earth meant that he had to stay on the lookout, the same way a US Senator has to be from the state they seek to represent.

There are probably holy rules or something like that, which was probably the same reason God didn't intervene during Piccolo Daimaou's first reign, even though it was his fault Daimaou even existed in the first place and, therefore, his responsibility. Although I guess you could argue God saw that Mutaito could use the Mafuuba to seal Daimaou.

All the above are good points. However, I can see Trunks being a more radical guardian than most others and taking a more activist approach. After all, he's seen his world turn to hell once, and he isn't going to let that happen again. What I don't like about the "god of Planet X" shtick is how they are forbidden from directly intervening, even if the alternative is their world turning into a graveyard (a massive dereliction of duty IMO).

[Piccolo Daimao]

God got involved with Piccolo because he knew Gokuu, the only one who could defeat him, wouldn't be able to kill Piccolo because he knew that God would die too. God only trained the Earthlings; he didn't directly try to stop the Saiyans. He was dead for most of the Freeza arc and restored Piccolo and co.'s bodies, but that's it. Still not a direct action.

He didn't do anything about the Androids (you could argue that, since he overlooks the Earth, he could do what Bulma proposed: find Gero and kill him before the Androids were activated, and Vegeta would be none the wiser). With Cell, he only merged with Piccolo, who'd come to him in the first place to merge, not the other way round. And again, it wasn't a direct action.

Yes, he didn't get directly involved, but he did act when a cataclysm was threatening the Earth. Even when he was around in the Freeza saga, he co-ordinated the wish to revive everyone killed by Freeza and his men and the wish to get everyone save Goku and Freeza away from the now-exploding Namek.

What I'm saying is that it wasn't a direct action, therefore it doesn't count. And refer back to my Androids example, which is plausible.

I can't remember exactly what Dende did, but he had no credentials for becoming God of Earth other than being able to create Dragon Balls. He was a child and not as experienced or trained as the previous God. In fact, I doubt he even needed to be God: he could've just made the DBs and returned to Namek. It's actually safer that way, so he wouldn't risk death on Earth.

I think he had healed Gohan, gone with the Kaioshins to New Namek and petitioned for the Namekians to summon Porunga. And I think as part of the rules of being God of Earth meant that he had to stay on the lookout, the same way a US Senator has to be from the state they seek to represent.

What I meant is that creating DBs on a planet does not equal becoming the god of that planet, just because the previous god did so. Nothing's said in the story that dictates that the creator of the DBs must stay on the planet they were created, or in close promixity, or something like that. It's only ever stated that the DBs turn to stone or lose their power when the creator's life force that sustains them disappears. God effectively "died" when he merged with Piccolo, as he was a part of him now. As in, God was Piccolo. If you know what I mean.

There are probably holy rules or something like that, which was probably the same reason God didn't intervene during Piccolo Daimaou's first reign, even though it was his fault Daimaou even existed in the first place and, therefore, his responsibility. Although I guess you could argue God saw that Mutaito could use the Mafuuba to seal Daimaou.

All the above are good points. However, I can see Trunks being a more radical guardian than most others and taking a more activist approach. After all, he's seen his world turn to hell once, and he isn't going to let that happen again. What I don't like about the "god of Planet X" shtick is how they are forbidden from directly intervening, even if the alternative is their world turning into a graveyard (a massive dereliction of duty IMO).

It's explained in the story itself: that if people were to get complacent whenever something bad happened and just rely on God to fix it, then they'd never become independent and try to solve things for themselves. No, it's never gone into depth what the job of a god actually entails other than overlooking their planet/galaxy/universe, but we know that it's probably breaking some kind of moral and spiritual obligation to do with keeping the natural order of the universe (like the old Kaioushin opposing the DBs) that they signed up to when they took up their post.

Of course, maybe there's an exception if the planet in question literally doesn't have anyone capable of solving bad things for themselves. Or Trunks could just not become the God of Earth, since there may not be any demand for it. What good would Trunks being God do if he can't do anything anyway, and there are no remaining super-warriors alive to protect the Earth or for him to train?

Maybe the guidebooks should've delved into hypothetical god-job-related situations like this deeper, but I guess they've already done a pretty good job of exploring the gods' positions and their jurisdictions, etc. I don't think we get much more on Dabra, the Makaiou and the Makaioushin than "they're the evil opposites of the Kaiou and Kaioushin". I mean, what would their jobs be? Or are they just a random collection of evil Shin-jin that try to fuck up as much shit in the universe as possible? Then why would they even need a realm for that?

[NANLIT]

I also change my mind about Future Trunks becoming a SSJ2. After the destruction that 17 and 18 left, I think he would want to actively help rebuild the world rather than consume his time with training and leaving the rebuilding to his mom and the other Earthlings. True, he's the last hero, but he has other responsibilities as well that taake priority over training. And by the time the world is rebuilt, he'd be settled in his new life (probably working at Capsule Corporation) and ignore his training.

[Goten Forever]

*cough*Rage Catalyst*cough*
Trunks used his up when Gohan died. There doesn't seem to be another on the way.
So we can rule out SSJ2.

Trunks being a Kami... meh. Does Earth NEED a Kami?

[NANLIT]

*cough*Rage Catalyst*cough*
Trunks used his up when Gohan died. There doesn't seem to be another on the way.
So we can rule out SSJ2.

Trunks being a Kami... meh. Does Earth NEED a Kami?

I think Piccolo put it quite bluntly when he was trying to convince Kami to merg with him that a strong warrior is more important to the Earth than a Kami. It was even further emphasized when they got Dende, a Namekian who hadn't been on Earth for 1 full Earth year, to be Kami just to revive the Dragon Balls. And since the Earth has more important things to do (rebuild the Earth) than find New Namek, wherever that may be, than no, they do not need a Kami. And as has been discussed before, creating the DB shouldn't be quailfications for a Kami anyway, but it's not like the Z Senshi cares about that.

[hleV]

*cough*Rage Catalyst*cough*
Trunks used his up when Gohan died.

Not in the manga.

[Piccolo Daimao]

*cough*Rage Catalyst*cough*
Trunks used his up when Gohan died.

Not in the manga.

Well, Trunks presumably transformed due to the Androids. Now there are no Androids, perhaps there's nothing for him to get angry over. Although there could still be underlying feelings of anger and/or guilt over all of his friends and family being dead and his loneliness. But it's debatable whether or not that would be enough of a trigger, since Gohan's SS2 transformation was from him tipping over the edge after having all that immediate rage built up inside him from his friends being beaten up and potentially being killed by the Cell Juniors because of Cell and his inability to awaken his dormant power.

[NANLIT]

The only thing that could make him go into a rage now IMO is seeing his mother being murdered in front of his eyes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The only thing that could make him go into a rage now IMO is seeing his mother being murdered in front of his eyes.

Or seeng two twins (a black haired boy with a blond girl, both teens, both long hair) together in the street... Or someone dressed as a green bug in Holloween...

[Piccolo Daimao]

The only thing that could make him go into a rage now IMO is seeing his mother being murdered in front of his eyes.

Or seeng two twins (a black haired boy with a blond girl, both teens, both long hair) together in the street... Or someone dressed as a green bug in Holloween...

Or a criminal threatening the newfound peace of the world, causing his already mentally and emotionally unstable state having built up all that anger, frustration, guilt and possibly low self-esteem to go into overload. Or anyone of his remaining friends being killed (e.g. Chi-Chi, Roushi, Dr. Brief), having lost yet another important figure in his already lonely and perhaps even, to him, meaningless life.