"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well, Kochin apparently couldn't fly, which is required for this game since it takes place in the sky. Yajirobe is out for the same reason. I don't want everyone flying with jet packs like Mr. Satan. lol
I wouldn't mind Yakon, Raichi or Kyui in, I just didn't add them to the list because their arcs were already thoroughly covered and they just weren't added.
Kid Vegeta is just unnecessary IMO, because he really didn't do anything but fight Saibaimen.

Yamhan would be a different case. To me, they wouldn't have to add him unless they want to. He never appeared outside of Budokai 2, so he doesn't have any sort of importance to a story and he doesn't really have a place that he fits besides just a general Fusion set, but they didn't include all the important fusions when the mechanic was introduced anyway...so, what'evs. lol

[DNA]

Well, Kochin apparently couldn't fly, which is required for this game since it takes place in the sky. Yajirobe is out for the same reason. I don't want everyone flying with jet packs like Mr. Satan.

Fair enough.

I wouldn't mind Yakon, Raichi or Kyui in, I just didn't add them to the list because their arcs were already thoroughly covered and they just weren't added.

Oh yeah, I meant I would have added them when they were supposed to come out. Same with Yamhan.

Kid Vegeta is just unnecessary IMO, because he really didn't do anything but fight Saibaimen.

That is no argument when Paragus, Yamu and even fucking Zeeun are in.

I thought you were listing how you would have done things, but now I think that what you mean is that's how you would handle new sets to cover the missing things?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That is no argument when Paragus, Yamu and even fucking Zeeun are in.

I understand there are already some pretty useless characters, as well as other characters from his time period in the game; Freeza, Zarbon, Dodoria, Saibaimen, King Vegeta and Bardock,...and Nappa, if they would give him hair. But he would still feel really out of place to me without having a kid Goku or something to go along with him...even though he should logically be a baby at that time.

To me, its about as stupid as including pre-timeskip Sasuke as the only pre-time skip character in a Shippuden game, even though there are other characters (like Kakashi) who remained the same.

I thought you were listing how you would have done things, but now I think that what you mean is that's how you would handle new sets to cover the missing things?

How I would have handled new sets with cards that covered those movies/specials/whatever, or if previous sets had an extra 20 or so card slots to squeeze them in.

Honestly, if I were the one actually doing all the releases, I wouldn't have had Buu Arc characters in the first set, and I probably would have went more in order to follow along with Kai in Japan, instead of not including Freeza until halfway through.

[DNA]

Yeah then do seem to go a bit random with the releases time-frame.

As for Kid Vegeta, I don't think he would look out of place since he goes along with his daddy.

Also:

To me, its about as stupid as including pre-timeskip Sasuke as the only pre-time skip character in a Shippuden game, even though there are other characters (like Kakashi) who remained the same.

I haven't got the foggiest of what the hell you're blabbing about.


Anyway, in another theme, I feel that Heroes is to the TV series what Online is to the manga. They even seem to apply the same basic plot, heroes from different races/tribes that travel through time to help defeat big threats. The time travelling is showcased in the third video when Saiyan boy and Saiyan girl arrive to fight Freeza. I find that pretty cool.

Edit: Look what I found:
http://metamine10.deviantart.com/gallery/34920062
Not bad at all.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Its a Naruto thing, ignore it.

The thing is, I like symmetry and balance. Only having Vegeta as a kid out of all the other grown up Z Senshi, despite him actually appearing like that in one of the TV Specials that has been tapped for the game, would annoy me to no end. He needs another pint-sized character that is close to his age to be opposite him. I don't care if they add him as a kid to the game, but he should have a kid Goku for balance.

I'm not sure its anything like the anime's version of Online. Yes the characters travel through time to help fight in battles, rather they happened (Goku vs. Freeza) in the series or not (Hildegarn and SS3 Broli). The very first commercial pretty much makes it clear that the Avatar characters are kids playing the Heroes game. You can consider the time warp effect whatever you want, that was either an effect to represent his characters creation or he got sucked into the game, but its pretty evident that they aren't entering the actual DB world.

[Toonami97]

Nothing important to discuss, but a new mission has you fighting a fairly unbelievable team...



Broli is being amped up as the strongest in the group. Realistically, he would likely just kill the other 4 just to get to Goku, assuming he was on your team. =P

Broli stronger than Ultimate Boo?

Cell, Hatchiyack, and especially Freeza even being relevant to Ultimate Boo?

While I don't mind myself does anyone else here notice that these days They try and make Broly the number one Villain?

[Jaruka]

While I don't mind myself does anyone else here notice that these days They try and make Broly the number one Villain?

Well, is it really that surprising? Short of making a new character they don't have any other options. Saiyans are so admired and of course we all know they can increase in great strength over small periods of time (base Boo-Saga Goku could obliterate Freeza, for example) and of course they have the added appeal of gaining new forms easily and without destroying the canon. Boo, Cell, Freeza, Coola? All old news and nothing threatening but seeing as Broly can gain a new form so 'easily' they can make a new threat. If you get what I mean?

[hleV]

base Boo-Saga Goku could obliterate Freeza, for example

No?

[VegettoEX]

base Boo-Saga Goku could obliterate Freeza, for example

No?

No what? What are you trying to say here? Are you disagreeing, and if so, why do you disagree?

[hleV]

base Boo-Saga Goku could obliterate Freeza, for example

No?

No what? What are you trying to say here? Are you disagreeing, and if so, why do you disagree?

That's my short way to say that there's nothing to back up such "statement" and is not any better than my "No?"

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

It's a legitimate point of view. You've seen arguments for it, I'm sure. There's absolutely no point in simply posting, "Nuh-uh!" to everything you disagree with.

[hleV]

It's a legitimate point of view.

Yes.

You've seen arguments for it, I'm sure.

Not much.

There's absolutely no point in simply posting, "Nuh-uh!" to everything you disagree with.

The point was to tell him "Hey, this ain't a fact or anything and may very well be wrong, so you shouldn't explain things basing on such a theory".

[DNA]

There's absolutely no point in simply posting, "Nuh-uh!" to everything you disagree with.

The point was to tell him "Hey, this ain't a fact or anything and may very well be wrong, so you shouldn't explain things basing on such a theory".

Then you should have done that in the first place. And do you honestly believe that Goku stopped getting better? Like, his base form just stopped improving and that he is forced to transform in to Super Saiyan for everyone on Freeza's level or superior? I find that very hard to believe especially looking back at the whole series up to that point. Goku increasingly gets better without transforming, why would the transformation halt his betterment? I do believe that by Boo arc Goku can take Freeza's final form without the need to transform at all.

[hleV]

There's absolutely no point in simply posting, "Nuh-uh!" to everything you disagree with.

The point was to tell him "Hey, this ain't a fact or anything and may very well be wrong, so you shouldn't explain things basing on such a theory".

Then you should have done that in the first place. And do you honestly believe that Goku stopped getting better? Like, his base form just stopped improving and that he is forced to transform in to Super Saiyan for everyone on Freeza's level or superior? I find that very hard to believe especially looking back at the whole series up to that point. Goku increasingly gets better without transforming, why would the transformation halt his betterment? I do believe that by Boo arc Goku can take Freeza's final form without the need to transform at all.

I do believe that Goku's base didn't end up above 120,000,000 with near-death power-ups out of his way. The reason he reached millions was because of an unreal Zenkai which increased his power 33 times. IMHO, he couldn't increase his power 50 or so times (to "obliterate" Freeza) from 3,000,000 by training.

[Jaruka]

It's funny as Hell how I didn't get a single reply that was relevant. My point was it's easier to use a pre-existing form and add it to Broly than make a new Buu form or even an OC

[Saiga]

It's funny as Hell how I didn't get a single reply that was relevant. My point was it's easier to use a pre-existing form and add it to Broly than make a new Buu form or even an OC

But really, Gohan-Boo is the ultimate villain. Only Vegetto could defeat him. SS3 Broli shouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as Gohan-Boo.

[DNA]

It's funny as Hell how I didn't get a single reply that was relevant. My point was it's easier to use a pre-existing form and add it to Broly than make a new Buu form or even an OC :lol:

But really, Gohan-Boo is the ultimate villain. Only Vegetto could defeat him. SS3 Broli shouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as Gohan-Boo.

I agree, I mean, I believe that in this form Broli far surpasses Goku in Super Saiyan 3, thus Broli surpasses all forms of Buu except The Mightiest Majin Buu. Since apparently Gohan in his Ultimate state surpasses Goku Super Saiyan 3, adding that to Buu with Goten, Trunks and Piccolo already in there, yeah, I think it's logical to assume that this form of Buu is stronger than Broli.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

This month's V-Jump came with a Heroes booklet that was split in two; the Earth Book and Galaxy Book. The Galaxy Book is what the images above are taken from. We know at the very least we will be getting Goku (GT), Trunks (GT), and Rilld as fighters. Dr. Mu may be included in that as well, and we are capable of summoning the ultimate Dragon Ball's Black-star Shenlong for wishes. Gill type Machine Mutants/Capsule Corp robots are also featured, though I have no idea if they are the avatars this time, or some kind of support item-thing...the latter seems more likely as they aren't marked with the same sort of icons as the previous avatars.

Supposedly the first of the GT cards will come as part of a larger 8 card set featuring: Son Goku, Son Gohan (Adult), Vegeta, Trunks (GT), Freeza, Cell and Majin Boo (Evil) and the SS Goku (GT) featured in one of the images above. So not solely dedicated to GT, but a start.

Also, the next V-Jump is supposed to reveal a lot more than this one did.

[Saiga]

It's funny as Hell how I didn't get a single reply that was relevant. My point was it's easier to use a pre-existing form and add it to Broly than make a new Buu form or even an OC

But really, Gohan-Boo is the ultimate villain. Only Vegetto could defeat him. SS3 Broli shouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as Gohan-Boo.

I agree, I mean, I believe that in this form Broli far surpasses Goku in Super Saiyan 3, thus Broli surpasses all forms of Buu except The Mightiest Majin Buu. Since apparently Gohan in his Ultimate state surpasses Goku Super Saiyan 3, adding that to Buu with Goten, Trunks and Piccolo already in there, yeah, I think it's logical to assume that this form of Buu is stronger than Broli.

I don't even have SS3 Broli above Evil Boo

[DNA]

I don't even have SS3 Broli above Evil Boo :P

So Goku is stronger but not Broli? Nice logic there.

As for the new images and reveals *masturbates furiously*
I totally forgot that M2...ians were a possibility for avatars, even though they might not be featured. Nice upgrades for Gill though.

Edit: By the way, even though we're not keeping track of stages, I can see M2's capital tower in the background of Rild's screenshot.