The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Fox666]

Yajirobe and Chaozu vs Saibaiman

[Perfect]

Saibaiman: 1,200
Chaozu: 610
Yajirobe: 970

I'd say the good guys would win here, seeing that Goku and Piccolo managed to defeat Raditz, who was much smarter than a Saibaiman.

[jackjack]

He doesn't struggle (which he would if the gravity doubled), sure, but he's clearly still being affected by it since it makes his body feel "heavy." That's enough to place him below Raditz by your logic.

[Perfect]

He doesn't struggle, sure, but he's clearly still being affected by it since it makes his body feel "heavy." That's enough to place him below Raditz by your logic.

Considering I already explained he's taken aback by all the elements briefly because he's never been in that environment, no, not in the slightest.
Being briefly taken aback by entering a new environment /=/ struggling.

[jackjack]

Doesn't really change what I said, though.

[Perfect]

Doesn't really affect my point, though.

Considering Gohan wasn't struggling under x10, the pre-RoSaT Saiyans could easily top x150 and Trunks couldn't, I don't see any point. Especially since Trunks easily moving around in SSJ proves it had nothing to do with getting used to it, but rather his battle power.

[jackjack]

There is one, you're just not seeing it.

[Perfect]

If there was one you'd state it now instead of pressing on with one sentence responses. I've replied to everything you've stated, I've even double checked the manga to verify Gohan's sentiments on the RoSaT.

[jackjack]

Raditz could easily top 10x, whereas Gohan couldn't, despite being literally like a thousand times stronger.

To everyone else: can you actually see my point?

[Mystic Gohan]

Gravity is definitely inconsistent imo. Vegeta was shown training in 300g during the 3 years training to the androids, while trunk didn't do great in 150g.

[Perfect]

Gravity is definitely inconsistent imo. Vegeta was shown training in 300g during the 3 years training to the androids, while trunk didn't do great in 150g.

See entire above argument.

[lash]

To everyone else: can you actually see my point?

Gohan makes it clear that having a huge power level doesn't automatically make you impervious to gravity one isn't accustomed to.

SSJ Trunks makes it clear that have an extremely huge power level makes you either a) impervious to a certain amount of gravity reflective of your battle power or b) helps the user quickly adapt to it.

Whichever the case, base Trunks struggling in 150 times gravity pretty much proves nothing as there is no one and nothing to compare it to. 150x isn't 100 or 300x. And even if it were, comparing a noobie to someone accustomed to such gravity isn't the best way to go if you're trying to prove something.

Did I hit the bulls-eye?

Yajirobe and Chaozu vs Saibaiman

Like Perfect said. The two should be able to pull off a win.

[Perfect]

Actually Gohan comments on not being able to breathe, feeling heavy, feeling really hot and the vast emptiness of the room. He isn't shown to ever be hindered by the gravity either. His actual biggest astonishment is shown when he actually sees the blankness of the room. Not once does he show the gravity at hand is causing him an ailment (plus he can walk in it, unlike Trunks). Hell, Goten doesn't even complain about the room's gravity and he's not only in his base form, but never been under any other gravity; immediately he starts training.

I don't see how transforming would indicate adapting quicker, at all. The former could be true however.

Whichever the case, base Trunks struggling in 150 times gravity pretty much proves nothing as there is no one and nothing to compare it to. 150x isn't 100 or 300x. And even if it were, comparing a noobie to someone accustomed to such gravity isn't the best way to go if you're trying to prove something.

Again, Trunks wouldn't suddenly get used to it based on his transformation, he'd be able to withstand it because of his battle power. The stronger you are, the more gravity you can handle. Gohan wasn't faltered by the gravity, he merely commented on it, like everything else different, because his environment changed. So there's no basis of being accustomed if you're strong enough; like I said you might look a little goofy at first and feel weird, but that doesn't equate to being unable to walk. Everything points towards gravity being in respect to battle power, so yes we can compare to other feats.

I've addressed all of that already, so it isn't a point I've missed, making everything in your post rather redundant towards his. If you're right and that was his point, then both posts would be redundant (you'd think if he had one, he'd post it).

[jackjack]

Gohan didn't just notice the gravity being different, he talked about his body feeling "heavy," which was exactly how Goku and Yamcha felt. (Future Trunks was one who merely commented on it.) If he still feels heavy, he won't be able to move as easily as he normally would. So by your logic he simply isn't strong enough to overcome such gravity because you shouldn't be feeling heavy if you're strong enough.

Oh, and your point about Goten fits perfectly with my theory.

Did I hit the bulls-eye?

Yeah, Trunks' case merely shows he doesn't have high enough power to the point where it would override his inexperience with 150x gravity.

Dunno where the Trunks one is.

This should be it...

"At the Youth Division of the 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai, he defeated Goten and won the championship. He and Goten then participated in the Adult Division as Mighty Mask, demonstrating strength on par with No. 18's, until she managed to see through their disguise. He passed through the finals at the 28th Tenkaichi Budoukai, but the tournament's final results are unknown."

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yajirobe and Chaozu vs Saibaiman

Chaozu freezes him and Yajirobe slices him to death.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yajirobe and Chaozu vs Saibaiman

I think that Yajirobe and Chaozu would lose. Despite its intelligence, it could be too quick for Chaozu to paralyze him, and even if he did, Chaozu wouldn't be able to attack him with anything other than his feet. Yajirobe, who's likely weaker than a Saibaimen, wouldn't be able to do anything with his sword (it may even parallel Trunks' sword breaking against #18's arm block), so Chaozu would be kicking him and Yajirobe would try to slice him, but they'd both tire out, the Saibaimen would be freed from his paralysis and, if he's still got enough power left, destroy them, self-destruction or not.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Super Perfect Cell vs. Super #17

#17 is equal with SSJ Goku from Cell Games. Who is the ultimate Artificial Human?

[Kaboom]

I think you need to be a little more specific with the power-placement. Do you mean Super #17 starts out as strong as Cell Games Goku, assuming he'll end up absorbing some Ki from Cell? Or did you mean just one of the #17s is, and when combined they end up roughly matching Cell?

[lash]

Again, Trunks wouldn't suddenly get used to it based on his transformation, he'd be able to withstand it because of his battle power. The stronger you are, the more gravity you can handle. Gohan wasn't faltered by the gravity, he merely commented on it, like everything else different, because his environment changed. So there's no basis of being accustomed if you're strong enough; like I said you might look a little goofy at first and feel weird, but that doesn't equate to being unable to walk. Everything points towards gravity being in respect to battle power, so yes we can compare to other feats.

Do you believe Bubbles has a higher battle power than Goku or Yamcha at the time?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

By #17, I meant Super #17.