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Rukura
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by Rukura » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:42 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:His tails being four seems symbolic to me, since Goku had his grandpa's Four-Star Ball. Also, Son Goku's Jinchuuriki is named Roshi.
Probably. As far as the jinchuuriki's name, while it does use different kanji in the name (as Herms noted once before), I think there's enough of a nod there. We also got a little more from seeing their relationship in one of the recent chapters
For good measure, here's the note on that name regarding Naruto:
Herms wrote:That guy's name is written with the kanji for "old" and "purple" though (老紫), rather than "old" and "teacher" like DB's Roshi (老師), just for the record..
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by Adamant » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:25 pm
Rukura wrote:
Probably. As far as the jinchuuriki's name, while it does use different kanji in the name (as Herms noted once before), I think there's enough of a nod there.
I have no idea what a "jinchuuriki" is, but that's the biggest stretch yet.
If the kanji were the same, and thus it actually being the same word, that'd be like saying Halo is referencing Dragonball by having its main character named "Master Chief".
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by Rukura » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:12 pm
Adamant wrote:Rukura wrote:
Probably. As far as the jinchuuriki's name, while it does use different kanji in the name (as Herms noted once before), I think there's enough of a nod there.
I have no idea what a "jinchuuriki" is, but that's the biggest stretch yet.
If the kanji were the same, and thus it actually being the same word, that'd be like saying Halo is referencing Dragonball by having its main character named "Master Chief".
It's a four tailed Monkey King/Oozaru named Son Goku. He trains with and lives inside an old man named Roshi....and the stretch is that he might also be a reference? How did you get to that conclusion exactly?
Also, Halo and Dragon Ball? As far as I know, the creators of Halo weren't influenced by Dragon Ball and didn't reference it. Ever. And it's an american franchise. I fail to see your point entirely.
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by Adamant » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:30 pm
Rukura wrote:
Also, Halo and Dragon Ball? As far as I know, the creators of Halo weren't influenced by Dragon Ball and didn't reference it. Ever. And it's an american franchise. I fail to see your point entirely.
There's a character in the Dragonball dub named "Master Roshi", and the Halo dude is named "Master Chief".
Yes, of course it's not a reference, but the similarities are about the same as the ones you're bringing up.
"Son Goku" is just Sun Wukong, the fact that he's a monkey is... one of the core aspects of the Journey to the West character, and the fact that he lives inside a dude whose name is a homonym with the word "master", which was used as part of the title of a Dragonball character is... an incredible stretch.
Both works have characters that are based on the main Journey to the West character, sharing his name and generic qualities, and that's pretty much it.
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by Rukura » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:35 pm
Adamant wrote:There's a character in the Dragonball dub named "Master Roshi", and the Halo dude is named "Master Chief".
Yes, of course it's not a reference, but the similarities are about the same as the ones you're bringing up.
"Son Goku" is just Sun Wukong, the fact that he's a monkey is... one of the core aspects of the Journey to the West character, and the fact that he lives inside a dude whose name is a homonym with the word "master", which was used as part of the title of a Dragonball character is... an incredible stretch.
Both works have characters that are based on the main Journey to the West character, sharing his name and generic qualities, and that's pretty much it.
Yeah, let's just totally ignore the author's quote admiting the "giant monkey" part being based on Goku's Oozaru form to prove our point

(nice try, though.)
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by Adamant » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:50 pm
Rukura wrote:
Yeah, let's just totally ignore the author's quote admiting the "giant monkey" part being based on Goku's Oozaru form to prove our point

(nice try, though.)
"Based on", "somewhat resembling"... call it what you want, but all this other stuff is largely a result of connecting the name "Son Goku" primarily with Dragonball and mistaking the word "roushi" for something other than just a word essentially meaning "master".
At least Master Chief's name is spelled the same way as "Master Roshi"'s. The only reason you recognize that as "obviously not a reference" is because you know that "master" is just a word and has nothing to do with Dragonball... but your arguments aren't really all that more logical.
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by Majin Buu » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:43 am
As a big Naruto fan I thought I'd put in my two cents.
I don't think there's really that many similarities between Dragon Ball and Naruto, they're more different than similar to me. At best there's only superficial similarities. The primary aspect that solidifies that for me is the writing. Whether you think Kishimoto's writing is good or not, he writes about things that Toriyama would never consider writing: The nature of hatred and revenge, how good people become bad, the consequences of war, regret for the past, traumatic events and the effect they have on people, love and how it (or its absence) can fundamentally define someone (as for romance, there isn't much more in Naruto than there is in Dragon Ball, but considering that romance is practically non-existent in Dragon Ball, I think what we do get in Naruto counts as more), the clash between altruistic and nihilistic points of view, etc. They way they write their antagonists is different too: The antagonists in Dragon Ball tend to be one dimensional while the antagonists in Naruto have a little more depth to them. Again, whether or not you think Kishimoto writes about these things well, you can't deny that they're subjects that Toriyama would never touch. For me, that's what defines Dragon Ball and Naruto as very different stories with at best, superficial similarities.