Why does Colleen Clinkenbeard get SO much hate?

[AgitoZ]

It's funny how the majority of you guys say collen's gohan is bettere because he sounds like a little boy, and yet you guys have no problem with goku (a full grown man) sounding like a girl. I dont buy the excuse "he has a child like nature".

That's fine and dandy, but we're not talking about Goku -- you were initially talking about Gohan (Clinkenbeard beng "the main reason" you "hate" Kai), and everyone else was talking about Gohan, too.

I don't know. Personally, I'd like to meet this girl who sounds like Goku. If I met her on the streets I think I'd do a double take.

[VegettoEX]

I don't know. Personally, I'd like to meet this girl who sounds like Goku. If I met her on the streets I think I'd do a double take.

So are we talking about Goku in Japanese, or are we talking about Gohan in English?

We can do both, or you can pick your battles .

[Super Sonic]

For her doing boy voices, her Luffy and Maso sound pretty good in my opinion. On topic, lots of times when some characters are played by a different actor/actress, fans of the previous voice will automatically hate, even if it was a conscious decision to make them different. For example, newer Batman movies and cartoons are made often, but a lot of guys will hate on the voices for Batman and the Joker if they're not played by Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill. Heck, a friend of mine said he heard a few guys hating on Young Justice for this ep not having Hamill as Joker, though I think that voice Mr. Spiner did is really intimidating.

[medvedenko2009]

It's funny how the majority of you guys say collen's gohan is bettere because he sounds like a little boy, and yet you guys have no problem with goku (a full grown man) sounding like a girl. I dont buy the excuse "he has a child like nature".

That's fine and dandy, but we're not talking about Goku -- you were initially talking about Gohan (Clinkenbeard beng "the main reason" you "hate" Kai), and everyone else was talking about Gohan, too.

Near as I can tell, you're just being antagonistic about it and tossing out some red herrings (Goku as an adult), but haven't actually answered the questions folks have asked regarding your opinion. What exactly do your younger cousins sound like? Do they sound exactly like Nadolny's interpretation of the character? Have you heard any young boys with these different types of voices, or do they all sound gruff and raspy?

In other words, do you have anything to validate your opinion, or are you just tossing it out there with no real basis other than "I don't like it"...? Either way is fine, but you're not exactly going to have a constructive conversation with anyone if you just want to spew stuff out there (and if that's what you want to do, this probably isn't the community for you).

Okay my bad. My cousins sound like boys, when they talk you can clearly tell there boys, When I hear Collen it just sounds like a girl forcing to sound like a boy. I am a dub fan so i dont expect any of you to agree but thats my opinion. I just want you guys to know I did give Kai a shot but it just wasnt for me.

[AgitoZ]

Okay my bad. My cousins sound like boys, when they talk you can clearly tell there boys, When I hear Collen it just sounds like a girl forcing to sound like a boy. I am a dub fan so i dont expect any of you to agree but thats my opinion. I just want you guys to know I did give Kai a shot but it just wasnt for me.

So your cousins sound like boys, Clinkenbeard doesn't. Okay, we've gotten nowhere.

I can also say Clinkenbeard sounds like a boy, cause she sounds like one. You have to think of a better explanation as to why other than "she doesn't sound like a boy". Why doesn't she? Because of your cousins? Do they sound extremely deep? Is Clinkenbeard to deep, or not deep enough? Is any of that a reason to hate her and Kai when she puts up a great performance otherwise?

I'm a bit disappointed Goku sounding like a girl argument wasn't continued further though...

[matt0044]

I should also say that Colleen's performance for Gohan helped me like the character much more. Her voice and acting reminded me constantly that he was a child growing and maturing as a fighter unlike with Nadolny. I found all this very endearing to me and Gohan became one of my new favorite characters in Dragon Ball.

[Piccolo Daimao]

To me, prepubescent boys and girls tend to sound roughly the same, which is exactly one of the reasons why so many young boys are voiced by female voice actors.

[Super Sonic]

To me, prepubescent boys and girls tend to sound roughly the same, which is exactly one of the reasons why so many young boys are voiced by female voice actors.

That or actual young boys. Though the problem with that can be when they get older and voice changes, hence why Al Elric is different in Brotherhood. Heck, "Hey Arnold" (for you guys not familiar with the title, old Nickelodeon cartoon) went through 4 Arnolds due to voice changing.

[KingofWisdom]

The new Gohan voice may be slightly higher than some boy's voices, but I much prefer it over a voice that's too deep/scratchy.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Boys and girls can sound very similar until their voices begin to drop. I've seen a couple of great boy voices from voice actresses, but the one that sounds the most authentic to me so far is Brianne Siddall, who played Jr. in the Xenosaga videogames.

For me, the first word out of my mouth when I heard Clinkenbeard's Gohan was, "....Aaaawwwwwww!" I thought his new voice had a cuteness to it that worked well for Gohan, especially in his more vulnerable moments.

[Piccolo Daimao]

To me, prepubescent boys and girls tend to sound roughly the same, which is exactly one of the reasons why so many young boys are voiced by female voice actors.

That or actual young boys. Though the problem with that can be when they get older and voice changes, hence why Al Elric is different in Brotherhood. Heck, "Hey Arnold" (for you guys not familiar with the title, old Nickelodeon cartoon) went through 4 Arnolds due to voice changing.

Yeah, which is probably why it'd be a better choice to choose a female voice actor to voice a young boy over some time, because there's no need to go through various voice actors when their voices become deeper.

I've never had a problem with Clinkenbeard's Gohan. At first, I was taken aback because it was unfamiliar, but I warmed to it and I don't think it's too high-pitched.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I'm honestly with Attitudefan on this one; at worst Clickenbeard sounds like a woman trying to be a young boy, at best some high-voiced asexual thing. She's doing everything right on the acting, but I certainly can't fault anyone who thinks Nadolny sounds more like a boy.

But yes, most of the hate is the usual nostalgic fan rage.

[KingofWisdom]

I at least like Clinkenbeard's Gohan voice more than Luffy's for boy roles. Naldony's voice would have been better if it started out higher, and transitioned into what it did for the Cell saga.

[Attitudefan]

The new Gohan voice may be slightly higher than some boy's voices, but I much prefer it over a voice that's too deep/scratchy.

I guess you missed my post entirely.

I think her voice is still too low for a toddler and prepubescent child.

[KingofWisdom]

How is it too low? I looked up clips on YouTube of children myself, and I found it was quite the opposite. Though, if you think Gohan sounds too mature, I'd be willing to argue that it fits his character. Most four-year olds can't speak as well as him.

Clinkenbeard= interesting, good for a 14 year old kid but not a toddler

Wouldn't most guys have their voice pitch drop by then? Colleen doesn't sound like a pubescent male.

From the little I've seen recently of Henderson, imo, she genuinely sounded like a young boy. Though, her acting wasn't always great.

[Attitudefan]

Drop yes, but even over time, a boys voice changes from that moment on. To me, most teens sound like kids still, not men. Maybe I'm just crazy though....

If 14 is too old, then 12 should be the right age. I do think Clinkenbeard's voice is too mature for a child, it's in her delivery. Everytime I hear it, I think of Gohan being older than 4 (something I did not get in the Saban dub or in the Japanese original).

[dbboxkaifan]

I at least like Clinkenbeard's Gohan voice more than Luffy's for boy roles. Naldony's voice would have been better if it started out higher, and transitioned into what it did for the Cell saga.

If Stephanie didn't have a raspy, smoker, old-ish vocal for Gohan it would have suited it but it didn't.

Ocean Gohan and Kai Gohan are much better.

[Son Geeko]

It's funny how the majority of you guys say collen's gohan is bettere because he sounds like a little boy, and yet you guys have no problem with goku (a full grown man) sounding like a girl. I dont buy the excuse "he has a child like nature".

That's fine and dandy, but we're not talking about Goku -- you were initially talking about Gohan (Clinkenbeard beng "the main reason" you "hate" Kai), and everyone else was talking about Gohan, too.

Near as I can tell, you're just being antagonistic about it and tossing out some red herrings (Goku as an adult), but haven't actually answered the questions folks have asked regarding your opinion. What exactly do your younger cousins sound like? Do they sound exactly like Nadolny's interpretation of the character? Have you heard any young boys with these different types of voices, or do they all sound gruff and raspy?

In other words, do you have anything to validate your opinion, or are you just tossing it out there with no real basis other than "I don't like it"...? Either way is fine, but you're not exactly going to have a constructive conversation with anyone if you just want to spew stuff out there (and if that's what you want to do, this probably isn't the community for you).

Okay my bad. My cousins sound like boys, when they talk you can clearly tell there boys, When I hear Collen it just sounds like a girl forcing to sound like a boy. I am a dub fan so i dont expect any of you to agree but thats my opinion. I just want you guys to know I did give Kai a shot but it just wasnt for me.

The first time I heard Colleen's Gohan, I honestly thought the same thing too, but than after hearing her for a couple or more episodes, I quickly got used to it and her Gohan actually started to sound more like a boy. To me its seems like most people complain about the voice when they only heard it for a few minutes and never give it a chance.

[dbboxkaifan]

This German Gohan sounds a mix boy/girl: http://youtu.be/ZdzspyZ4IuA

I don't find it odd to hear boys sounding a bit like girls, i.e, before they hit puberty.

[TheBlackPaladin]

This German Gohan sounds a mix boy/girl: http://youtu.be/ZdzspyZ4IuA

I don't find it odd to hear boys sounding a bit like girls, i.e, before they hit puberty.

Well that's extremely interesting that you don't think he sounds completely like a boy...because in the German dub of DBZ, Gohan was played by a legitimate boy.