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by Fox666 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:23 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Nah, it should have landed, but empty. Otherwise, Trunks wouldn't know exactly when the pod should land.
That point has never been explained in the series. Trunks knew exactly where Goku's pod would land, but he didn't knew it would land only 3 hours later?
We have never been told that in Trunks' timeline Goku actually teleported to fight Freeza and Cold. We are only told that Trunks intervention wasn't necessary because Goku could teleport.
Trunks said that the timeline was different and Goku was 3 hours late. Supposedly Goku actually landed in time to fight Freeza and Cold in History 2, while because of Trunks or Cell the events changed in History 1 and Goku was 3 hours late, but he still could have teleported to fight Freeza and Cold.
Or am I missing something?
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by Bussani » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:58 pm
Fox666 wrote:We have never been told that in Trunks' timeline Goku actually teleported to fight Freeza and Cold. We are only told that Trunks intervention wasn't necessary because Goku could teleport.
I always felt it was implied, personally.
Trunks said that the timeline was different and Goku was 3 hours late. Supposedly Goku actually landed in time to fight Freeza and Cold in History 2, while because of Trunks or Cell the events changed in History 1 and Goku was 3 hours late
The problem some people might have with this explanation is that there's no obvious link between Goku's departure and travel speed and Cell/Trunks' appearances in the timeline. You can't have a butterfly effect without one event influencing another, and some people might not like the idea that changes happen in a timeline for absolutely no reason.
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by Mystic Gohan » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:40 pm
I don't personally believe goku learned IT in trunks timeline. If he learned IT, then trunks most likely would have known about it. If things went down like in the main timeline with all the heroes going off to confront freeza before being saved by goku, then gohan and bulma would know about IT and informed trunks. Just a thought.
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by Fox666 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:44 pm
Bussani wrote:I always felt it was implied, personally.
I always tought of it that way too, but it is not exactly said in the series. And there is some inconsistency with it.
Bussani wrote:The problem some people might have with this explanation is that there's no obvious link between Goku's departure and travel speed and Cell/Trunks' appearances in the timeline. You can't have a butterfly effect without one event influencing another, and some people might not like the idea that changes happen in a timeline for absolutely no reason.
I agree. But supposedly Cell arrived on this time 1 year before, so who knows what could have happened?
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by Bussani » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:51 pm
Mystic Gohan wrote:I don't personally believe goku learned IT in trunks timeline.
Why wouldn't he have?
If he learned IT, then trunks most likely would have known about it. If things went down like in the main timeline with all the heroes going off to confront freeza before being saved by goku, then gohan and bulma would know about IT and informed trunks.
Unless Goku didn't tell them about it in that timeline. I don't know
why he wouldn't, but to me it's more plausible than him not learning it at all.
Fox666 wrote:But supposedly Cell arrived on this time 1 year before, so who knows what could have happened?
I find it hard to imagine how Cell being underground on Earth could affect Goku on Yardrat...but I suppose it's possible in Dragon Ball, at least, since vague things like "ominous feelings" exist and could influence Goku's actions.
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by Fox666 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:54 pm
I didn't even tought of that, you got me. What I had in mind is that technically there was a link beetween Earth and Yardrat when Porunga asked Goku if he wanted to return.
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by Bussani » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:52 pm
Didn't Cell arrive in the past a year before Trunks? A year before Trunks appeared they'd have been wishing Tenshinhan and Chaozu back to life, which was well after the wish where Goku refused to come back. Unless they just meant "some time in the year before the year Trunks travelled to," in which case it's possible. I'm still not sure what sort of influence an underground Cell could have on Goku via Porguna, but it's a possibility I've never heard before.
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by Fox666 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:16 am
Cell said he arrived 4 years ago, meaning 1 year before Goku returned.
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by Bussani » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:29 am
Yeah. But the wish to bring Goku to Earth was made more than a year before Goku returned.
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by Fox666 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:01 am
You are right about that.
There is still the possibility of Kaio talking to Goku.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:38 am
I always thought that Gokuu
did teleport to defeat Freeza and King Cold (which was implied in the story anyway), and presumably Bulma wasn't there at the time, so she could only go off the spaceship's landing, assumed that Gokuu had arrived in his spaceship, and relayed that information to Trunks.
Of course, it could simply be a plothole. This arc's probably one of the worst written ones (but at least it's not as bad as the Boo arc).
Bussani wrote:Mystic Gohan wrote:If he learned IT, then trunks most likely would have known about it. If things went down like in the main timeline with all the heroes going off to confront freeza before being saved by goku, then gohan and bulma would know about IT and informed trunks.
Unless Goku didn't tell them about it in that timeline. I don't know
why he wouldn't, but to me it's more plausible than him not learning it at all.
Well, Trunks said that Gokuu succumbed to his virus "not long from now", meaning that he may not have had time to tell the others about Shunkan-Idou, or simply forgot. Or no-one asked him whether or not he'd learned any new techniques on Yardrat (perhaps Bulma wasn't even there).
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