The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[lash]

Paikuhan vs Legic

How'd the fight go and who do you believe would win? Both of them being the same as when they first fought Goku.

That's not even a battle. Base GT Son Goku ~ Redgic ~ Base Rildo > An unspecified Boo(at least Mr. Boo) > Paikuhan.
Redgic destroys Paikuhan in one blast.

I'm tempted to reply, but I'll abide by the law set forth by Kaboom, so...

How about Goku: 180,000 (Kaio-ken) versus Dore: 185,000?

Dore.
Kaioken Son Goku can't constantly maintain such a battle power, nevermind the fact that he is still at a slight disadvantage in power anyway. And of course, 'skill' is irrelevant past Dragonball tier battle power levels. All that pretty much matters is power and speed.

[Perfect]

I think tactics can definitely play a role, so I wouldn't say skill means nothing.

[lash]

Refresh my mind.

Don't recall tactics or skill ever helping Goku win a fight in Dragonball Z(Majin Vegeta, Pure Boo, etc). The only instance I can remotely think of is the Warp Kamehameha against Cell. And even in the end, that was still based on the power of the attack more than anything...and Goku still didn't win.

[Perfect]

Goku versus Pikkon; Goku was outmatched.
Half of the Goku versus Vegeta fight; giving the Genki-Dama away, etc.
Ginyu versus Goku; body swap tactic.
Cell versus Piccolo; Taiyo-ken saved his life.
Piccolo versus 17; Piccolo would have had him, but that damned barrier saved him.

There's many more. Tactics pretty much dictate if someone can win, lose or escape with their life.

[lash]

A ring out. How about matches to the death or until one is defeated such as in this case?
Goku didn't win, and needed help. If anything his tactic to just go a certain distance and not further after the Taiyoken blinded Vegeta, actually cost him the battle.
Goku needed help(the frog)...and the power of Vegeta to even initiate it.
Right, but Cell didn't win the battle.
We can't say that for sure. May have hurt him, but there's nothing 100% saying it would have killed him... giving Piccolo the win.

Don't see any. Yeah, but I'm not talking about escaping or running away.

Don't recall tactics or skill ever helping Goku win a fight in Dragonball Z

[Perfect]

Well my point was that tactics can surely help win a battle if one's outmatched. I count the Pikkon versus Goku match as a win from a battle perspective. I also wasn't referring to Goku in particular, so much as the skills are useless portion from the original comment. Without tactics, everything would be really boring, with next to no plot twists, even if the strongest guy didn't have a tactic, he'd surely lose.

[lash]

Well my point was that tactics can surely help win a battle if one's outmatched.

If your interpretation of tactics include powerful Ki techniques(would would than vary in power) and using the power of other people or objects in a fight then you're just supporting what I said further.

Skill, as in Jackie Chun using the advantage of his legs to defeat Goku when he was equal if not weaker than Goku at that moment, became pretty much nonexistent in Dragonball Z because of higher battle powers.
My own point is that Battle power and speed is pretty much all that matters once you get in a 1-on-1 to the death battle in Z. If skill didn't help Goku defeat what is essentially a walking and barely talking wad of chewing gum, or against fatso Janemba before Goku went SSJ3, it's not going to do much at all against Dore either if he's plain weaker in power.

[Perfect]

Tactics are really any form of strategy, regardless of what the strategy involves. Every example we've listed involves them, but if you mean skill in that context then sure, we don't see anything like that past early Z. Also I wasn't referring to Dore at all.

[lash]

Tactics are really any form of strategy, regardless of what the strategy involves.

At the end of the day, skill, tactics, strategy, etc are all still useless if they aren't backed up with Battle Power.
That's the point I'm getting across.

[Perfect]

I disagree, strategy (well it was Vegeta's strategy executed through Goku) is what allowed Goku to finish off Pure Boo. Unless you're arguing base/SSJ Goku > Pure Boo.

[lash]

I disagree, strategy (well it was Vegeta's strategy executed through Goku) is what allowed Goku to finish off Pure Boo. Unless you're arguing base/SSJ Goku > Pure Boo.

So as I was saying...
It required the Battle Power of the Genki Dama to finish Boo off. Without the Battle Power of the attack being that strong, the strategy would have been utterly useless.

[Perfect]

Okay, I see what you mean. You'd agree then that so long as the strategy involves battle power or something of that nature then it wouldn't be useless (granted you'd need a battle power anyway in Dragon Ball itself to have "skill"). Misunderstanding on my part.

[Saiga]

I think it would be a good fight. By the time Goku is at 90,000 he can presumably hold KKx2 for quite a while seeing as he has mastered it to the point where he can at least use KKx10. So I think Goku will be able to hold his own, but not win unless he can hit him with a Genki Dama or a powerful Kamehameha.

[Piccolo Daimao]

How about Goku: 180,000 (Kaio-ken) versus Dore: 185,000?

Gokuu can't maintain the Kaiouken constantly, and he's still a slight power disadvantage. I think the only chance he'd have of winning is if he fired off a Kamehameha that Dore couldn't dodge (e.g. Gokuu removing/destroying his scouter, hiding to exploit his lack of ki-sensing, and then quickly using a Kaiouken in conjunction with a Kamehameha to finish him off).

[Rocketman]

I think they're close enough in power than Goku's strategery would win it for him.

[Mario]

anyone correct me if I'm wrong and then explain,,Teen Gohan full power ssj1 > Goku full power ssj1,,,Teen Gohan ssj2 > Super Perfect Cell,,,Goku base after 7 years > Vegeta base after 7 years,,,Adult Gohan ssj2 > Super Perfect Cell,,,Gotenks ssj1 training in time chamber > Goku ssj3 max,,,Gotenks ssj3 > Super buu,,,Super buu > Kid buu,,,Kid buu > Goku ssj3 max,,,base Vegito > Gogeta ssj1,,, Super buu > Janemba,,,lssj Broly movie 10 > Teen Gohan ssj2,,,btw i whant right answers which means from daizenshuu or manga for the one i was wrong,,,sry for bad english...

[Mario]

one more i whant to ask,,anyone know history of Trunks song that start when Androids leave town and Trunks arrives,,after song is gone Gohan arrives,,and when in dark Trunks trys to become ssj while Gohan motivates him with words,,,i would realy appriciate the song name or yust artist,,btw i think this is not where i should ask cuz this is "Versus thread"...against sry for bad english...

[Fox666]

btw i whant right answers which means from daizenshuu or manga for the one i was wrong

I will try to do my best. However keep in mind that some of these questions have no answer from the guidebooks.

Teen Gohan ssj2 > Super Perfect Cell

Adult Gohan ssj2 > Super Perfect Cell

It's rather unknow how exact their power compare to each other.

Gotenks ssj1 training in time chamber > Goku ssj3 max

There is quite some different interpretations about how Gotenks is compared to Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

As far as the official sources go, it's vaguely mentioned that Gotenks is "several times" stronger than Trunks or Goten.

Movie 12 seems to follow that interpretation, as Gogeta is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. And GT Perfect Files says Gogeta is "tens of times stronger" than a Super Saiyan 4, however it's unknow if there was any kind of "formula" behind that, and it's GT.

Gotenks ssj3 > Super buu

That's not the case. While Gotenks fought fairly well with Evil Boo, he was unable to cause any lasting damage.

Keep in mind that Gohan being the first one to surpass Evil Boo was part of the plot in the manga:

Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

Kid buu > Goku ssj3 max

Probably not. Goku was convinced he could defeat him based on his Ki. The problem was not just Majin Boo power, but that his stamina is almost unlimited.

base Vegito > Gogeta ssj1

Unknow.

Gogeta alone is a character that doesn't appear in the manga and remained for very short moments, so it's hard to compare.

Super buu > Janemba

Unknow.

At least in the manga Goku was convinced he could defeat Evil Boo if he perform the fusion dance with Vegeta. Of course that would only mean that both Evil Boo and Janenba could be defeated by Gogeta.

lssj Broly movie 10 > Teen Gohan ssj2

I have no idea. The movie villains always seem almight powerfull only to be defeated in a unconvincing way.

[Mystic Gohan]

Kid buu vs ssj2 vegito. Kid buu was stated to be stronger than any of the other buus. Chaotic boohan ripped the dimensions and was equal with ssj vegito. This was kid buu's suppressed power coming through. So do you think kid buu could best ssj2 vegito?

[Saiga]

Kid buu vs ssj2 vegito. Kid buu was stated to be stronger than any of the other buus. Chaotic boohan ripped the dimensions and was equal with ssj vegito. This was kid buu's suppressed power coming through. So do you think kid buu could best ssj2 vegito?

Umm... I personally believe base Super Boo > Kid Boo, so yeah Vegetto stomps him with ridiculous ease.

And pretty much everything you said was inaccurate.