The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Mystic Gohan]

Nope, your wrong. Kid buu was stated by goku and kibito kai to be the strongest buu, therefore he is stronger than chaotic boohan who was equal with ssj vegito. Kid buu would beat ssj2 vegito, because he has regen, but he would lose to ssj3 vegito.

[Saiga]

Nope, your wrong. Kid buu was stated by goku and kibito kai to be the strongest buu, therefore he is stronger than chaotic boohan who was equal with ssj vegito. Kid buu would beat ssj2 vegito, because he has regen, but he would lose to ssj3 vegito.

Now you're just making shit up. "Chaotic Boohan" isn't anything. It's a piece of anime filler and Super Vegetto stopped him with one punch. Equals my ass. Furthermore, if Kid Boo was ever stated to be stronger than Boohan it's an anime or dub only line, because it was never stated in the manga and doesn't make a lick of sense. You don't even know how strong SS2 or SS3 Vegetto are, no one does.

If Kid Boo is so powerful that it would take SS3 Vegetto to beat him, Goku wouldn't stand a chance.

[Mystic Gohan]

Again your wronge. Filler is canon, because it was approved by AT. Chaotic boohan was giving ssj vegito ptoblems. The reason goku wasn't sure if he could beat super buu was because he couldn't control his ssj3 obviously.

[Saiga]

Again your wronge. Filler is canon, because it was approved by AT. Chaotic boohan was giving ssj vegito ptoblems. The reason goku wasn't sure if he could beat super buu was because he couldn't control his ssj3 obviously.

AT didn't oversee all the filler and padding that went into the anime, he provided concepts and designs for them to use but that's pretty much all the input that has been confirmed from him. Goku was absolutely terrified of Super Boo, and it's pretty clear he's much weaker than him. And before he fought Kid Boo he didn't actually realise the drawbacks that SS3 would have on his body.

[Mystic Gohan]

AT said it was official, therefore it is canon. Just like any guidedook. Kid buu=ssj3 goku>ssj vegito>gohan buu>gotenks buu>mystic gohan>buff buu>piccolo buu>ssj3 gotenks>super buu. the reason ssj3 goku got so strong was because he got some of super vegeto's power

[Saiga]

AT said it was official, therefore it is canon. Just like any guidedook. Kid buu=ssj3 goku>ssj vegito>gohan buu>gotenks buu>mystic gohan>buff buu>piccolo buu>ssj3 gotenks>super buu. the reason ssj3 goku got so strong was because he got some of super vegeto's power

AT never said that. Until you at least try to back up some of your claims with proper evidence I'm just going to assume you're trolling.

[Mario]

Gotenks ssj3 > Super buu

That's not the case. While Gotenks fought fairly well with Evil Boo, he was unable to cause any lasting damage.

Keep in mind that Gohan being the first one to surpass Evil Boo was part of the plot in the manga:

Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

Kid buu > Goku ssj3 max

Probably not. Goku was convinced he could defeat him based on his Ki. The problem was not just Majin Boo power, but that his stamina is almost unlimited.


So Gotenks ssj3 and Super buu were evenly matched or Super buu is stronger ? i didnt understand that part...

I also thought that but Goku proved no match for him which means if he go max he can only defeat him with blast with enough power like kamehameha..cuz in fight he realy didnt give him so much damage...but i would also say Goku ssj3 > Kid buu cuz he sad he can beat him if he got full power...

[Mario]

AT said it was official, therefore it is canon. Just like any guidedook. Kid buu=ssj3 goku>ssj vegito>gohan buu>gotenks buu>mystic gohan>buff buu>piccolo buu>ssj3 gotenks>super buu. the reason ssj3 goku got so strong was because he got some of super vegeto's power

First of all i dont know how did you get in your head Goku can be stronger than ssj Vegito,,,I'm only going to say one but there is more than one guy on your list that is stronger than Goku ssj3,,btw Goku ssj3 is probably last on your list.... I dont know man what you think about Kid buu power but I'm pretty sure he is not above ssj vegito,,gohan buu,,gotenks buu,,mystic gohan,,buff buu,,piccolo buu,,ssj3 gotenks,,super buu. First of its stated in manga when Goku and Vegeta were in Super buu body and Super buu returned to normal Goku says:if we go out we are definitly no match for him and he asks Vegeta for fusion which yust proves ssj3 and ssj2 cant do nothing to Super buu,,maybe you seen Fusion reborn movie where Goku fight Janemba in ssj3 and Vegeta in ssj2,,,Janemba is probably somwhere on Super buus level but not sure who is stronger,,,
btw you don't even need the manga for that. The anime and a fully functioning brain is good enough.

[Mario]

Also Goku sad he probably could defeat Fat buu but he leaved to kids to have a chance,,after some time in manga he sad if he got to full power he can beat Kid buu which yust proves how ssj3 couldnt do any damage to Super buu while he is sure he can beat Kid buu if he got to full power...

[Piccolo Daimao]

Gotenks ssj3 > Super buu

That's not the case. While Gotenks fought fairly well with Evil Boo, he was unable to cause any lasting damage.

Keep in mind that Gohan being the first one to surpass Evil Boo was part of the plot in the manga:

Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

That's somewhat misleading. I thought he was aiming for facts, not speculation. But since you did so, I will too.

There's support for SS3 Gotenks being slightly stronger than Super Boo, since he was about to defeat him (also implied by Gokuu saying, "At this rate, Gohan ain't gonna get a turn!") before he defused.

Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P13.3-
Context: as Gotenks beats up on Boo
Goku: “Amazin’, amazin’! At this rate, Gohan ain’t gonna get a turn!”
Kaioshin: “Oh!”

And I doubt Boo would've let himself get that damaged if he was merely stalling. Boo, as default for an arrogant villain, would automatically believe that he's the strongest being in existence, and he wouldn't be able to notice someone else even having a slight advantage if they're still roughly in his league. Gotenks was; Gohan wasn't.

To put it matter-of-factly, the story tells us that SS3 Gotenks and Super Boo were around the same power.

lssj Broly movie 10 > Teen Gohan ssj2

I have no idea. The movie villains always seem almight powerfull only to be defeated in a unconvincing way.

No, that's true. The design sheets show that Gohan was SS2 in that film, and you can hold Toei to account for the inconsistency of auras and lightning sparks. But Broli was clearly wrecking Gohan, and it took Gokuu, Gohan and Goten's three-man father-son Kamehameha to finish him off.

@Mystic Gohan: There's never been any official word on the canonicity of any of the official products, not by Toriyama, Shueisha, Toei or anyone.

Not to mention...what canon would you be referring to? With DB's multiple continuities, you could be referring to "manga canon", "anime canon", "movie canon", etc.

Just read this.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Teen Gohan ssj2 > Super Perfect Cell

Adult Gohan ssj2 > Super Perfect Cell

It's rather unknow how exact their power compare to each other.

SSJ2 Gohan killed Cell with half of his power. I don't think Boo arc Gohan is very weaker than his Cell Games counterpart.

[Mario]

And I doubt Boo would've let himself get that damaged if he was merely stalling. Boo, as default for an arrogant villain, would automatically believe that he's the strongest being in existence, and he wouldn't be able to notice someone else even having a slight advantage if they're still roughly in his league. Gotenks was; Gohan wasn't.

To put it matter-of-factly, the story tells us that SS3 Gotenks and Super Boo were around the same power.

So they were around same power or lests say like Goku ssj2 vs Majin Vegeta,,right?

No, that's true. The design sheets show that Gohan was SS2 in that film, and you can hold Toei to account for the inconsistency of auras and lightning sparks. But Broli was clearly wrecking Gohan, and it took Gokuu, Gohan and Goten's three-man father-son Kamehameha to finish him off.

so Broly lssj is above any ssj2 or yust Gohans teen and adult ?
its cleary seen Broly lssj in movie 8 that he is above ssj2 which proves how he take on them all without getting warmd up,,movie 10 is Gohan adult ssj2 vs Broly lssj where Broly also dominates Gohan ssj2..i also whant to know would Goku ssj2 or Vegeta ssj2 or Majin Vegeta stand chance against him in his lssj state ? if yes or no can you explain ? or this is because Gohan was weaker in that point as a ssj2 ?

[Mario]

Teen Gohan ssj2 > Super Perfect Cell

Adult Gohan ssj2 > Super Perfect Cell

It's rather unknow how exact their power compare to each other.

yea Gohan was still problem to Cell until he relised his hidden power to finish him,,thats yust my opinion,,,i think Gohan as an injured got his power cut in half but he is still ssj2 and that half power keeps long enough Cell,,otherwise he would be dominated in the begining is SP Cell was stronger than ssj2 teen Gohan...for Gohan adult ssj2 is my opinion that saiyan never get weak if he dont train only that he get soft ans rusty,,thats also what Vegeta confirmed cuz he knows Gohans power comes from his anger but he never sad he is weaker,,,he lost his fighting sence but his anger push his powers so adult ssj2 would also beat Cell if ofc he had same cold additude and only revenge on his mind...

[Piccolo Daimao]

And I doubt Boo would've let himself get that damaged if he was merely stalling. Boo, as default for an arrogant villain, would automatically believe that he's the strongest being in existence, and he wouldn't be able to notice someone else even having a slight advantage if they're still roughly in his league. Gotenks was; Gohan wasn't.

To put it matter-of-factly, the story tells us that SS3 Gotenks and Super Boo were around the same power.

So they were around same power or lests say like Goku ssj2 vs Majin Vegeta,,right?

Basically, yes.

No, that's true. The design sheets show that Gohan was SS2 in that film, and you can hold Toei to account for the inconsistency of auras and lightning sparks. But Broli was clearly wrecking Gohan, and it took Gokuu, Gohan and Goten's three-man father-son Kamehameha to finish him off.

so Broly lssj is above any ssj2 or yust Gohans teen and adult ?
its cleary seen Broly lssj in movie 8 that he is above ssj2 which proves how he take on them all without getting warmd up,,movie 10 is Gohan adult ssj2 vs Broly lssj where Broly also dominates Gohan ssj2..i also whant to know would Goku ssj2 or Vegeta ssj2 or Majin Vegeta stand chance against him in his lssj state ? if yes or no can you explain ? or this is because Gohan was weaker in that point as a ssj2 ?

The most we know is that LSS Broli is above SS2 Gohan. In DBZ Movie #8, the most we know is that LSS Broli is above the Super Saiyans, although I'm not so sure that he's above SS2. SS Gokuu, having borrowed the ki of the others, defeated with a punch.

I personally believe that this "powered-up" SS Gokuu was around SS2 kid Gohan, making LSS Broli in DBZ Movie #8 weaker than SS2 Gohan. In DBZ Movie #10, I believe that SS2 Gohan (taken from the Boo arc, who was weaker than his Cell arc incarnation presumably because he'd lost power from rage due to lack of training)'s weaker than SS2 Vegeta and SS2 Gokuu.

Maybe he's smack bang in the middle of SS2 Gohan and SS2 Vegeta, or maybe he's stronger than SS2 Vegeta. I don't know. But I think he's definitely weaker than SS2 Gokuu (who's even with Majin SS2 Vegeta), who was considerably stronger than SS2 Vegeta (since it took Vegeta's power being drawn beyond its limits to only match Gokuu).

[Fox666]

Gotenks ssj3 > Super buu

Keep in mind that Gohan being the first one to surpass Evil Boo was part of the plot in the manga:

Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

That's somewhat misleading. I thought he was aiming for facts, not speculation. But since you did so, I will too.

Boo, as default for an arrogant villain, would automatically believe that he's the strongest being in existence, and he wouldn't be able to notice someone else even having a slight advantage if they're still roughly in his league. Gotenks was; Gohan wasn't.

To put it matter-of-factly, the story tells us that SS3 Gotenks and Super Boo were around the same power.

Using what a character said is the best I can do.

Boo was smart enough to recognize Gohan power before anyone else, so I don't see why assume he would be completely wrong about Gotenks. And in the line I posted, Boo recognized Gotenks potential as the trigger for his ultimate power-up.

And that is the Majin Boo with Piccolo's intelect. So I don't see why disregard what Evil Boo said about Gotenks.

There's support for SS3 Gotenks being slightly stronger than Super Boo, since he was about to defeat him (also implied by Gokuu saying, "At this rate, Gohan ain't gonna get a turn!") before he defused.

Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P13.3-
Context: as Gotenks beats up on Boo
Goku: “Amazin’, amazin’! At this rate, Gohan ain’t gonna get a turn!”
Kaioshin: “Oh!”

I am not completely sure about this subject. But Majin Boo was also almost killed by Gotenks using his Super Saiyan form, so I would avoid trying to measure the strength of Boo based only on what happened in the battle.

And I doubt Boo would've let himself get that damaged if he was merely stalling.

Well, he wasn't damaged in any way, at least not for a Majin Boo.

[Mario]

The most we know is that LSS Broli is above SS2 Gohan. In DBZ Movie #8, the most we know is that LSS Broli is above the Super Saiyans, although I'm not so sure that he's above SS2. SS Gokuu, having borrowed the ki of the others, defeated with a punch.

I personally believe that this "powered-up" SS Gokuu was around SS2 kid Gohan, making LSS Broli in DBZ Movie #8 weaker than SS2 Gohan. In DBZ Movie #10, I believe that SS2 Gohan (taken from the Boo arc, who was weaker than his Cell arc incarnation presumably because he'd lost power from rage due to lack of training)'s weaker than SS2 Vegeta and SS2 Gokuu.

Maybe he's smack bang in the middle of SS2 Gohan and SS2 Vegeta, or maybe he's stronger than SS2 Vegeta. I don't know. But I think he's definitely weaker than SS2 Gokuu (who's even with Majin SS2 Vegeta), who was considerably stronger than SS2 Vegeta (since it took Vegeta's power being drawn beyond its limits to only match Gokuu).[/quote]

I'm not so sure he is under ssj2,,do you get that because of time line when movies are made? Goku punch was something like mini Genki dama or lets say Dragon fist that killd Hireudegern even showing Goku ssj3 was no match for him,,it doesnt make sence to make strong guy in movie 8 while Cell was main villian,,its mostly that new enemy is stronger,,thdont thing is that i think Gohan wasnt weak in movie 10 cuz of his cold look and rage inside,,yust my opinon cuz he even managed to get Broly to lava,,,if you compere ssj2 from tournament he doesnt even have much rage that gives him boost yust like majin Vegeta,,well base Goku was stronger than base Vegeta so he gone Majin which makes sence,,well again there is no proof about movie characters vs manga characters cuz even if its logicly saying its never stand...

[Piccolo Daimao]

That's somewhat misleading. I thought he was aiming for facts, not speculation. But since you did so, I will too.

Boo, as default for an arrogant villain, would automatically believe that he's the strongest being in existence, and he wouldn't be able to notice someone else even having a slight advantage if they're still roughly in his league. Gotenks was; Gohan wasn't.

To put it matter-of-factly, the story tells us that SS3 Gotenks and Super Boo were around the same power.

Using what a character said is the best I can do.

Boo was smart enough to recognize Gohan power before anyone else, so I don't see why assume he would be completely wrong about Gotenks. And in the line I posted, Boo recognized Gotenks potential as the trigger for his ultimate power-up.

And that is the Majin Boo with Piccolo's intelect. So I don't see why disregard what Evil Boo said about Gotenks.

I already said why he might be wrong about Gotenks: he's an arrogant villain who automatically believes that he must be a strongest, so someone that's slightly stronger than him would pass under his radar, unlike Gohan, who was clearly much stronger than him and beating his ass from the beginning.

Whether or not Boo has Piccolo's intellect is irrelevant. It's still Boo, and he's still arrogant.

There's support for SS3 Gotenks being slightly stronger than Super Boo, since he was about to defeat him (also implied by Gokuu saying, "At this rate, Gohan ain't gonna get a turn!") before he defused.

Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P13.3-
Context: as Gotenks beats up on Boo
Goku: “Amazin’, amazin’! At this rate, Gohan ain’t gonna get a turn!”
Kaioshin: “Oh!”

I am not completely sure about this subject. But Majin Boo was also almost killed by Gotenks using his Super Saiyan form, so I would avoid trying to measure the strength of Boo based only on what happened in the battle.

The difference is that, back then, Gotenks and Piccolo neglected to destroy the ashes. Gotenks said that, after destroying him, he was going to destroy the ashes so that Boo could never come back. Nothing contradicts that, and with Gokuu's statement, the story heavily implies that Gotenks was on the verge of killing Boo before he defused.

And I doubt Boo would've let himself get that damaged if he was merely stalling.

Well, he wasn't damaged in any way, at least not for a Majin Boo.

I believe that, if Gotenks had fired that Kamehameha before Boo had the time to regenerate back to normal, he would've been finished. He was damaged the same way Gohan-Boo was damaged by Super Vegetto.

I'm not so sure he is under ssj2,,do you get that because of time line when movies are made? Goku punch was something like mini Genki dama or lets say Dragon fist that killd Hireudegern even showing Goku ssj3 was no match for him,,it doesnt make sence to make strong guy in movie 8 while Cell was main villian,,its mostly that new enemy is stronger,,thdont thing is that i think Gohan wasnt weak in movie 10 cuz of his cold look and rage inside,,yust my opinon cuz he even managed to get Broly to lava,,,if you compere ssj2 from tournament he doesnt even have much rage that gives him boost yust like majin Vegeta,,well base Goku was stronger than base Vegeta so he gone Majin which makes sence,,well again there is no proof about movie characters vs manga characters cuz even if its logicly saying its never stand...

First of all...dude, seriously, use better grammar. And quotes. That's what you agreed to when you signed up here.

Secondly...yes, I suppose I do follow a timeline to when movies are made to some extent. I understand that they don't fit in nor are they meant to (only #9 and #13 fit), but I can tell where they're basing their characters' strengths on.

I don't know what you mean when you say that Gokuu's punch was something like a "mini Genki-Dama" or "Dragon Fist". Gokuu had borrowed the ki of Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks (IMO, putting him around SS2 kid Gohan), and then delivered one final ki-infused punch to his gut. Perhaps the reason it damaged him so much was because of that injury he'd recieved as a kid or something (I haven't watched it in years), but it still finished him off.

Gohan in DBZ Movie #10 is clearly taken from his Boo arc incarnation, meaning that he'd lost the power from rage due to lack of training, therefore making him weaker than his Cell Games incarnation.

[VegettoEX]

Piccolo Daimao, please do not mini-mod. I do believe I saw said user note that English is not their primary language, so please let the moderation team work with that.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Piccolo Daimao, please do not mini-mod. I do believe I saw said user note that English is not their primary language, so please let the moderation team work with that.

Sorry. It's just hard to reply in a debate like this, and quotes aren't anything to do with language skills.

[Mario]

First of all...dude, seriously, use better grammar. And quotes. That's what you agreed to when you signed up here.

Secondly...yes, I suppose I do follow a timeline to when movies are made to some extent. I understand that they don't fit in nor are they meant to (only #9 and #13 fit), but I can tell where they're basing their characters' strengths on.

I don't know what you mean when you say that Gokuu's punch was something like a "mini Genki-Dama" or "Dragon Fist". Gokuu had borrowed the ki of Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks (IMO, putting him around SS2 kid Gohan), and then delivered one final ki-infused punch to his gut. Perhaps the reason it damaged him so much was because of that injury he'd recieved as a kid or something (I haven't watched it in years), but it still finished him off.

Gohan in DBZ Movie #10 is clearly taken from his Boo arc incarnation, meaning that he'd lost the power from rage due to lack of training, therefore making him weaker than his Cell Games incarnation.[/quote]


sry but english is not my first language which you can see,,,he recived injury in chest,,,i dont understand what you mean by Gohan loosing rage due lack of training,,what rage has to do with training? i though he gets more power when he is angry cuz that how things work for him,,,second that same worked for Vegeta while unlocking Majin side making him stronger than ssj2 Goku,,and one more,,how did Vegeta knowed Goku is stronger than him in ssj2 when Goku didnt even transfromed in ssj2,,he yust showed glimpe of his ssj2 powers,,i dont know nothing about this, can you explain?