The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

That's pretty much how he knew Goku was stronger than him. The Super Saiyan 2 burst used against Yakon was enough to convince him that Goku still had the upperhand. Vegeta says this to Goku during their fight.

[Fox666]

I already said why he might be wrong about Gotenks: he's an arrogant villain who automatically believes that he must be a strongest, so someone that's slightly stronger than him would pass under his radar, unlike Gohan, who was clearly much stronger than him and beating his ass from the beginning.

Whether or not Boo has Piccolo's intellect is irrelevant. It's still Boo, and he's still arrogant.

That may be true for Evil Boo personality, but in that line he wasn't being arrogant, but surprisingly intelligent. Evil Boo just said that, after sensing Gohan's Ki, he built up an strategy in case he was stronger than him, absorbing Gotenks would make him unvencible.

The difference is that, back then, Gotenks and Piccolo neglected to destroy the ashes. Gotenks said that, after destroying him, he was going to destroy the ashes so that Boo could never come back. Nothing contradicts that, and with Gokuu's statement, the story heavily implies that Gotenks was on the verge of killing Boo before he defused.

I believe that, if Gotenks had fired that Kamehameha before Boo had the time to regenerate back to normal, he would've been finished. He was damaged the same way Gohan-Boo was damaged by Super Vegetto.

To be fair, Boo was hopeless against Vegetto, being contatly beaten. While Gotenks on the other hand had an even fight, each time he hit Boo, Boo hit back. It was only in the last second before the fusion timed out that Gotenks managed to get the upper hand.

But again, you are making an analysis that is purely based only on power. Boo is contantly acting stupid in his battles, and we have been told before how fighting an opponent with a small body is troublesome, and Gotenks used a series of very unique technique.

Not that it really mattter, but I doubt a simply Kamehameha could possible kill Boo, no matter what. It didn't worked when Goku used against Pure Boo afterall.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Goku also never beat the crap outta Kid Boo before using the Kame-Hame-Ha on him. Gotenks likely would've used a Full-Power Kame-Hame-Ha there, and it likely would've been enough since Boo seemed to be stunned pretty well. It's also funny how Gotenks's mouth blast seemed to hurt Boo a hell of a lot more than his very same attack on Gotenks. What we know for sure is that Super Boo isn't stronger than Gotenks.

Anyway, I always saw the two as equals.

[Mario]

That's pretty much how he knew Goku was stronger than him. The Super Saiyan 2 burst used against Yakon was enough to convince him that Goku still had the upperhand. Vegeta says this to Goku during their fight.

funny thing is because that is only proof and it only make sence that Vegeta never achived ssj2 during those 7 years cuz he couldnt never compere burst and real transformation of ssj2,,which means babidi is the only one that pushed him yust like Cell did to Gohan,,,ofc no one will belive in Vegeta not having ssj2 trough 7 years of training,,but in manga he is mad when he see Gokus burst ssj2 and says so he also find a way around ssj1 or something like that,,,sry for my bad english...but am i right ?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

In the SEG guide, I believe, it says both Goku and Vegeta reached Super Saiyan 2 through harsh training.

Even when just focusing on the Manga, you have to consider the fact that Vegeta is confident in his ability to defeat Gohan. After seeing Goku's Super Saiyan 2 burst, he says both Goku and himself are stronger than Gohan, and we know Vegeta is aware of Gohan's power in Super Saiyan 2. So, if Vegeta is stronger than Gohan, he'd have to be a Super Saiyan 2 himself. I doubt Super Saiyan Vegeta is stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Gohan.

Basically, Vegeta acquired Super Saiyan 2 during his 7 yrs of training, but his power still wasn't enough in comparison to Goku's. He needed Bobbidi's magic so he could gain enough power to fight Goku on an even level.

[Fox666]

It's also funny how Gotenks's mouth blast seemed to hurt Boo a hell of a lot more than his very same attack on Gotenks.

I don't think it did any damage to Boo at all.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I said it hurt Boo much more than it hurt Gotenks. Both attacks were the same, and Boo was knocked down while his own attack did nothing but annoy Gotenks. If anything, Gotenks's physical attacks are what dealt actual damage to Boo.

[Fox666]

Boo fired a "wide"-type attack that burnt Gotenks, Gotenks fired a "blast"-type attack and throw Boo out of the city. I don't think any of these attacks are significant, and both Gotenks and Boo seemed to be fooling around.

Boo also dealt an equal physical damage to Gotenks, if he got a swallon eye by Gotenks combo, he made Gotenks nose bleed with a head butt. I don't really see anything in the battle that points towards one of them being the best.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I don't think it being wide changes anything, especially when Gotenks was right in front of Boo going for a kick.

I also don't think Boo landing a random headbutt is comparable to Gotenks effectively countering Boo's attacks and beating the crap outta him. Gotenks had the upperhand based on what was shown. Boo couldn't hit Gotenks or effectively stop Gotenks from landing hits on him.

[FindKenshi]

I don't think it being wide changes anything

Take a 10 pound disc weight and rest it atop your foot. Now put a six-sided die on your foot and rest the 10 pound weight on top of that.
Disclaimer: Don't actually do this, bruising may occur.

[Fox666]

Boo couldn't hit Gotenks or effectively stop Gotenks from landing hits on him.

Yes he can.



I really don't think we are going anywhere trying to count how many hits Gotenks or Boo landed on each other...

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

They weren't really fighting seriously there. Towards the end of their battle when they were actually fighting more seriously, Boo was helpless. You could see that he was actually trying to hit Gotenks, too. They're most likely equal in power. I think Piccolo actually says Super Boo is upset because Gotenks is as strong as him or something.

What we know for sure is that Super Boo isn't stronger than Gotenks. Some people like to think Super Boo is stronger based on his dialogue to Gohan about "not allowing anyone to be stronger", and I simply don't agree with it.

[Fox666]

By "towards the end of their battle" you mean only 2 panels, which Gotenks hit Boo's head and land a series of hits before the fusion time-out. I don't really think that is enough to say that Gotenks is the stronger of the two.

I don't see anything wrong with the words of Boo. He had Piccolo's intelect at the point, recognized Gohan was stronger than himself and that Gotenks would make him invencible. Besides I don't think he would be wrong about Gotenks' strength after he absorbed him.

If anything, Evil Boo had more trouble with Gotenks because he is an idiot (even more than Gotenks).

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Boo pretty much assumed he'd still be the strongest after absorbing Gotenks before he even acquired Piccolo's intellect. In fact, he put the entire plan together when he first sensed Gohan. They're most likely equal. Super Boo doesn't need to be stronger than Gotenks here, even when considering his dialogue to Gohan.

I don't think being an idiot downplays Gotenks's performance here, since Boo doesn't need to be some fighting genius to stop the guy he's supposedly stronger than from effectively attacking him.

[Fox666]

Super Boo doesn't need to be stronger than Gotenks here, even when considering his dialogue to Gohan.

I suppose it can be interpreted that way.

[hleV]

How is Evil Boo supposed to be as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks if Pure Boo is only around SSJ3 Goku? Evil Boo only consists of Pure Boo, South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin. Or do you conclude that Boo's absorbtions have a different power formula than simply adding the absorbees' strength (and everything else) to what he already has?
When SSJ3 Goku fought fat Boo, they looked pretty even. However Goku later said that he could've had wiped Boo out. Couldn't this apply to Gotenks? He didn't necessary seem to have been fighting at his fullest, and apparently he only decided to destroy Boo for good right before he defused.

[dprez]

It's getting messy in here. It all seamed to start because filler lines were used in a canon debate. Kid boo being the strongest boo is a japanese filler line by a Toei-enhanced Goku. Him being the most dangerous is canon. He's only the most dangerous because he can't be reasoned with, and just kills everything around him without hesitation. For the record I have Ssj3 Gotenks with a slight power lead over Super Boo (as well as initial full power Ssj3 Goku with a slight power lead over Pure Boo) based off their fight. Gotenks showed he could take Super Boo's attacks head on and come back with his own. His cocky childish attitude was the reason he did not win.

[Mario]

In the SEG guide, I believe, it says both Goku and Vegeta reached Super Saiyan 2 through harsh training.

Even when just focusing on the Manga, you have to consider the fact that Vegeta is confident in his ability to defeat Gohan. After seeing Goku's Super Saiyan 2 burst, he says both Goku and himself are stronger than Gohan, and we know Vegeta is aware of Gohan's power in Super Saiyan 2. So, if Vegeta is stronger than Gohan, he'd have to be a Super Saiyan 2 himself. I doubt Super Saiyan Vegeta is stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Gohan.

Basically, Vegeta acquired Super Saiyan 2 during his 7 yrs of training, but his power still wasn't enough in comparison to Goku's. He needed Bobbidi's magic so he could gain enough power to fight Goku on an even level.

Well if you focus in manga Bulma says this: Gohan probably cant even go ssj2 after Vegeta sad he and Gohan had huge gamp before but now I'm trained while your leaved easy life,,btw you should know Vegetas confidence until he starts loosing,,he always critizis someone and when he starts fighting with him he got beat to he ground...and yea his base and Gokus base isnt the same which means majin gives him boost that gives him little more strenght than Goku but still they fight almost equal yust like Gotenks ssj3 and Super buu...

[Mario]

Kid buu > Goku ssj3 max

Probably not. Goku was convinced he could defeat him based on his Ki. The problem was not just Majin Boo power, but that his stamina is almost unlimited.


The fierce battle in the Kaioshin Realm becomes the greatest decisive battle in all the Universe!!
Goku, Vegeta, and the original Buu head into the final battle with the pure Majin Buu. If they were to lose here, then the universe would have no future forevermore.

Vol. 42 / Chp. 510Vegeta covers for Goku while he amasses power.
Vol. 42 / Chp. 510Even a full power Goku can't defeat him.
Vol. 42 / Chp. 513Split off once again, the original Buu challenges the pure Buu.

This is from daizetshuu 2...Goku in full power no match for Kid buu...

[Piccolo Daimao]

i dont understand what you mean by Gohan loosing rage due lack of training,,what rage has to do with training? i though he gets more power when he is angry cuz that how things work for him,,,

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P3.1-2
Context: as Gohan remembers Goku’s advice to get angry
Gohan: “I-I am angry…! I’m angry, but…[it’s not] like it was ba-back then…”

So presumably, because he hasn't trained for 7 years, he's lost access to the power he can gain from rage. The last time we see teenage Gohan get a rage boost is during the old Kaioushin's ritual, when he's awakening his dormant power, and after that, he has all his dormant power awakened, without the need to rely on anger to unleash it.