Toonami or not it should be on CN

[Toonami97]

Who here agrees with me that Even without Toonami DB Kai SHOULD STILL BE ON CARTOON NETWORK

[VegettoEX]

Who here agrees with me that Even without Toonami DB Kai SHOULD STILL BE ON CARTOON NETWORK

Why does it matter which channel it airs on?

DBZ, in North America, has aired on local syndication networks (WB, UPN, etc.), Cartoon Network, the International Channel, and Telemundo. All of them made incredible homes for the show in their own way with fantastic marketing and dedication.

Just curious why it matters so much that it continue to air on Cartoon Network, especially in light of Cartoon Network's massive management shift over the years (which in turn shifted their entire programming focus, meaning DBZ would likely get the short end of the stick from them in the current era).

[Toonami97]

Who here agrees with me that Even without Toonami DB Kai SHOULD STILL BE ON CARTOON NETWORK

Why does it matter which channel it airs on?

DBZ, in North America, has aired on local syndication networks (WB, UPN, etc.), Cartoon Network, the International Channel, and Telemundo. All of them made incredible homes for the show in their own way with fantastic marketing and dedication.

Just curious why it matters so much that it continue to air on Cartoon Network, especially in light of Cartoon Network's massive management shift over the years (which in turn shifted their entire programming focus, meaning DBZ would likely get the short end of the stick from them in the current era).

If it were on Cartoon Network... well, Cartoon Network in its heyday... we wouldn't have a blue Mr. Popo, the dubbing wouldn't have to be different between the DVD and TV, and quite frankly Nickelodeon has been bastardized since its prime.

[VegettoEX]

If it were on Cartoon Network... well, Cartoon Network in its heyday... we wouldn't have a blue Mr. Popo, the dubbing wouldn't have to be different between the DVD and TV, and quite frankly Nickelodeon has been bastardized since its prime.

So purchase the uncut home release of the series. The final volume of "Kai" from FUNimation is due out in June. The entirety of the DBZ TV series has been released four times, twice of which was uncut and consistent beginning to end. The entirety of the first TV series and DBGT have been released at least twice each. It's there for you if you are interested.

[dbboxkaifan]

If it were on Cartoon Network... well, Cartoon Network in its heyday... we wouldn't have a blue Mr. Popo, the dubbing wouldn't have to be different between the DVD and TV, and quite frankly Nickelodeon has been bastardized since its prime.

The whole uncut dub with the uncut footage and in HD? You'd have to get the Blu-rays, mate.

Note: You didn't mention HD but Kai was intended to be seen in HD (1080p). In SD it just feels no different than Z but with smooth picture and no grain.

[Toonami97]

If we had it on cartoon network then it save us a boat load of money

[matt0044]

If we had it on cartoon network then it save us a boat load of money

Yeah, a FUNi wouldn't get money from the DVDs with the Uncut as a selling point. Sure, nobody here's made of money but neither are the guys dubbing Kai and DB altogether. You're kinda being selfish.

Also, who says CN wouldn't edit it? Besides, what's wrong with Nicktoons? DBZ can just be on CN because it's been on there before. Let other network in on the game. As long as it's on TV, DBZ is being exposed more today.

[Chuquita]

I'm fine with it on Nicktoons. They treat it well. Besides, the Cartoon Network that exists now isn't the same as the one I loved to watch over a decade ago. I was a huge fan of weekday Toonami back in the day, but that era is in the past now; the networks have moved on.

Honestly, I think it's amazing that Funimation was able to land a TV deal for Kai in today's climate at all.

[Super Sayian Prime]

Honestly, I think it's amazing that Funimation was able to land a TV deal for Kai in today's climate at all.

It would be amazing for them to not land it a TV deal. It's a "rebirth" of an incredibly successful franchise.

What's interesting is that they landed 2 TV deals.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I'm fine with it on Nicktoons. They treat it well. Besides, the Cartoon Network that exists now isn't the same as the one I loved to watch over a decade ago. I was a huge fan of weekday Toonami back in the day, but that era is in the past now; the networks have moved on.

Honestly, I think it's amazing that Funimation was able to land a TV deal for Kai in today's climate at all.

Yes to all of the above!

I continue to be hopeful that Kai's success will pave the way for a better anime industry in general by demonstrating a demand for more anime on TV. The fact that Nicktoons asked for the movies and now GT are both encouraging signs in this regard. If Kai had bad ratings, Nicktoons would likely want nothing to do with anything "Dragon Ball"-related anymore, but the fact that they're continually bringing in more stuff demonstrates what is--in my mind--a rising demand for more anime on TV.

[Corporate_Nothing]

If we had it on cartoon network then it save us a boat load of money

Yeah, a FUNi wouldn't get money from the DVDs with the Uncut as a selling point. Sure, nobody here's made of money but neither are the guys dubbing Kai and DB altogether. You're kinda being selfish.

Also, who says CN wouldn't edit it? Besides, what's wrong with Nicktoons? DBZ can just be on CN because it's been on there before. Let other network in on the game. As long as it's on TV, DBZ is being exposed more today.

So he's being selfish. What is so wrong about that? This is second time in the past week that I've seen the "you're selfish" line used in this forum, as if that is some negative, forbidden action. If you aren't living for you own rational self-interest, why/how do you even continue to exist?

I think it would be a good move to bring Dragon Ball back to Cartoon Network in some capacity, whether it's a part of Toonami or some other programming block. They already have a sizable potential audience because they're on basic cable, and they employ way less rigid and Draconian business standards and practices than that of Nicktoons, and especially that of the CW (given that it's a broadcast network). They could really capitalize on simultaneously re-launching an established programming block with Toonami, and re-airing an established series with Dragon Ball Z, which would be extremely reminiscent of Cartoon Network's glory days.

Now, I do agree that, as wonderfully nostalgic as it would be to bring back Dragon Ball to Cartoon Network, there's no point in doing so unless they can offer something unique. And what would that be? Presenting Z Kai in its uncut, unedited form. Sure, one could argue that Funimation's DVD/Blu-Ray sales would be impacted to some degree, but it's not as if Cartoon Network would be getting the rights to air DBZ Kai uncut for free in the first place.

[Akumaito Beam]

Toonami or not Nicktoons should have aped those kickin' rad bumpers and intros.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

It's on Cartoon Network here in New Zealand and from what I've heard, the editing is a little questionable.

[dbboxkaifan]

Cartoon Network in Australia did a terrible edit trying to hide a fag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWAykQVK2Io

There goes the uncut-ish stuff of which CN is supposed to have.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Cartoon Network in Australia did a terrible edit trying to hide a fag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWAykQVK2Io

There goes the uncut-ish stuff of which CN is supposed to have.

Well, someone should feel free to clarify, but I was told that the reason Australia's CN got the uncut footage is because they did not secure the rights to either the Nicktoons-edited footage or the Toonzai-edited footage, so they had to edit it themselves using the uncut footage as their base. Same deal with New Zealand.

...Which is rather odd when you consider that Mexico and Brazil used the Nicktoons-edited English dub as the basis for their dubs of Kai. So Mexico and Brazil, countries with two completely different languages, were able to secure the Nicktoons-edited footage, but New Zealand and Australia were not? Kinda weird.

[Gonstead]

I hate to admit it but even 4Kids can do a better job than that POS editing.

The Uncut footage and dialogue is nice though I do question some of the decisions to remove footage (Trunks vs Goku Sword fight when previously we had Trunks slicing up Frieza 1 episode prior)

[Kiddo626]

CN's editing techniques were not that much different from Nicktoons'. As a matter of fact, I'd say Nicktoons' is much smoother. Blood was still painted over, language was still dialed down, and some of the more serious hits and injuries were still cut. The only real difference is that Nicktoons edits almost any mention of the word "death," which is weird to me but really a non-issue. So, IMO, it really makes no difference whether it'd be on CN or on Nicktoons; the editing is just about the same.

[Pokewhiz7]

CN's editing techniques were not that much different from Nicktoons'. As a matter of fact, I'd say Nicktoons' is much smoother. Blood was still painted over, language was still dialed down, and some of the more serious hits and injuries were still cut. The only real difference is that Nicktoons edits almost any mention of the word "death," which is weird to me but really a non-issue. So, IMO, it really makes no difference whether it'd be on CN or on Nicktoons; the editing is just about the same.

If I remember correctly, the blood was not entirely painted over, it was just any that was dripping or moving that was removed. I think that's probably where some get the idea that it was uncut on Cartoon Network, when in reality they were still edited. (The exception being the redub of episodes 1-67, which actually were uncut.)

[dprez]

A dream come true would be for Adult Swim to air the entire DBZ series uncut, maybe even in Japanese with subtitles. Even though many dub fans would be like WTH!?, people like me would be ecstatic that the original version is airing in America not since it aired on the International Channel (which very few young people at the time like me even knew about, I just got lucky and stumbled upon it one sunday night). What's great about being one of the lucky few who caught DBZ on the International Channel is that even the Japanese version is nostalgic. So cool.

At the end of the day, it's actually still airing in America. I'm pretty damn happy about that. Who cares if Cartoon Network isn't airing it anymore? Adult Swim imo would be a nice fit for the uncut english version of DBZ to air on, but that will sadly never happen.

[AgitoZ]

Adult Swim imo would be a nice fit for the uncut english version of DBZ to air on, but that will sadly never happen.

That's because it would do horribly.