Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ?

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Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ?

Post by Super Vegetto » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:36 pm

Did Goku ever surpass Gohan after Kid Buu is destroyed? If he didn't can he even surpass him?
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Fox666 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:44 pm

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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Kaboom » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:47 pm

First question: Big fat "maybe" is the best anyone can do.
Second question: I personally like to think that neither Gotenks nor Gohan were so far ahead of Goku that he couldn't catch up to their general range of power in those 10 years. Maybe not surpass or match them, but at least get close in their neighborhood.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by CatouttaHell » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:56 pm

No. Ultimate Gohan is Gohan with his power drawn far beyond his limits. Son Goku has far less potential than Gohan so even if he were to receive Elder Kaioshin's power-up he wouldn't come close to Ultimate Gohan.

Base Goku at the EoZ is at best on par with Pure Boo going by his fight with Oob IMO, while Ultimate Gohan was a bit stronger than SSjin 3 Gotenks, whose base form is heavily implied by Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo to be multi-fold his SSjin form before the RoSaT, which was already above SSjin 3 Goku IMO.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Super Vegetto » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:02 pm

Yes. It makes sense that Goku cant be stronger than Gohan because of potential. So thats probably all that matters.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Bussani » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:21 pm

I still say calling it potential confuses things. Gohan has more dormant power than Goku. That tells us nothing about their potential limits.
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Post by Monkey D Goku » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:16 am

Well if we think about it Old Kai supposedly brought out all of Gohan's power. I would say Goku may have slightly surpassed it at the end of dbz due to Gohan most likely neglecting his training again and Goku continuing to train. The power difference is not very big Id say.

If Gohan were to take up training again he has the highest potential to surpass Goku easily.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Perfect » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:52 am

Depends on how you view the semantics. If you wanna go with the sleeping power within Gohan and beyond, then Goku would have the same potential and catch up more than likely. I'd like to think the strongest guy around isn't some science geek that never trains and sits on his ass all day.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:11 am

Depends. Some people believe 10 yrs of training was enough for Goku to surpass Gohan.

I don't believe Goku surpassed Gohan by the end of DBZ.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:53 am

I guess it depends on whether he stayed on Earth the whole time... I noticed throughout the series that when Goku simply trains on Earth, he never really seems to make any large jumps.

Although if not by the end of the series, I believe that training with Uub for a while would have eventually given him the edge, strength-wise.

And even if he wasn't as strong as Gohan, I believe he could take him on in a fight, with his combat skills giving him a strong edge.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:08 am

I don't believe he made any great gains from his earth training, and I believe he is still lagging behind Super Boo and Gotenks, let alone Gohan.

I don't think he could surpass Gohan through regular training before he gets too old for it.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:27 am

While before I believed that base Goku is at Pure Boo's level, I no longer believe that he is that strong by the end of Z. Raged Oob could just be near at Pure Boo's power, a little lower. Besides, Vegeta holded his own against Pure Boo in base, now Goku should be much stronger than Vegeta from Boo arc, and he should be able to keep up with Oob, who doesn't try to kill him, doesn't have much fighting skill, and can't control his power. So, Goku should have grown stronger, but not as strong as Ultimate Gohan.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by hleV » Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:45 am

In base form - no way in hell.
In SSJ3 form - I doubt it, but it's possible, i guess.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by DBZ Mick » Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:11 am

I'd say so. Just that Gohan has more potential, being half Saiyan and half human. Same goes for Goten and Trunks.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by DarkPrince_92 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:42 pm

Honestly....Gohan, Goten, and Trunks do not train as hard as Goku does, so I am sure that by the end of Z, Goku passed them. Also, after seeing Movie 13, it's hard to decide how Goku's power compared to them before the 10 years after Kid Buu.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Mystic Gohan » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:29 pm

EOZ goku is ahead of EOZ gohan, but he can never ever surpass mystic gohan. Gohan has way more potential than goku.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Jackal puFF » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:02 pm

Well Gohan might be stronger than Goku in the end but there's no way in hell that Gohan would win a fight against his dad.
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Post by Super Vegetto » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:56 pm

Jackal puFF wrote:Well Gohan might be stronger than Goku in the end but there's no way in hell that Gohan would win a fight against his dad.
If Future Trunks fight Vegeta and if he is stronger than Vegeta than it comes Vegeta > Trunks cuz Trunks would never break Vegetas pride,,but if its Gohan vs Goku I'm pretty sure Gohan would do his best to beat his dad and in other way to make Goku proud of having son stronger than him...
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:25 pm

Jackal puFF wrote:Well Gohan might be stronger than Goku in the end but there's no way in hell that Gohan would win a fight against his dad.
...how? If Evil/Super Boo was stronger than SS3 Goku, and Gohan absolutely stomped him, I can't see any way that Goku could win.
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Re: Is Goku stronger than Gohan in the end of DBZ

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:27 pm

Saiga wrote:
Jackal puFF wrote:Well Gohan might be stronger than Goku in the end but there's no way in hell that Gohan would win a fight against his dad.
...how? If Evil/Super Boo was stronger than SS3 Goku, and Gohan absolutely stomped him, I can't see any way that Goku could win.
I think that he means "even though Gohan is stronger, he would hold back against his dad".
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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