Was Gohan SSJ2 against Dabura, Majin Buu's Shell, Z sword

[Piccolo Daimao]

This one'll stay a mystery until he mentions it in an interview.

And unfortunately, chances are he never will. He's forgotten so much of a series that started 28 years ago, ran for 11 years and ended 17 years ago, not to mention that in-universe strength-related things like this aren't his forte. You might as well ask him "Who's stronger? Super Boo or Kid Boo?", another equally ritualistic debate that pops up far too often.

[Super Vegetto]

Chances for him to do interview of full dbz storyline will never happend. Only if he comes prepared and knows he will get question about who is stronger,but other way on normal interview he wouldnt even remember all character that he made. Same thing is cartoon or movie you whatched long ago and only important character is the one you remember.

[Saiga]

I used to think Gohan was indeed a SS2 against Dabra, Boo's shell, and drawing the Z Sword, but now I'm not so sure.

The art obviously says that he wasn't, and I can see in story reasons for him not to be in SS2. I think he wasn't using it against Dabra because he was worried about giving too much energy to Majin Boo, because he seemed surprised that Goku and Vegeta would fight as Super Saiyan 2's.

[Super Vegetto]

I used to think Gohan was indeed a SS2 against Dabra, Boo's shell, and drawing the Z Sword, but now I'm not so sure.

The art obviously says that he wasn't, and I can see in story reasons for him not to be in SS2. I think he wasn't using it against Dabra because he was worried about giving too much energy to Majin Boo, because he seemed surprised that Goku and Vegeta would fight as Super Saiyan 2's.

So he attacked Buus shell xD,,if you think in fight against Dabura maybe he whanted to prove that he dont need ssj2 for Dabura,,or there is no other way cuz he knows that to save Piccolo and Krillin he must kill Dabura...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I think he wasn't using it against Dabra because he was worried about giving too much energy to Majin Boo, because he seemed surprised that Goku and Vegeta would fight as Super Saiyan 2's.

Seems like empty logic IMO. Gohan fought about on par with Dabra while Super Saiyan. Had he started at SS2, he'd have been twice as strong and potentially able to dispose of Dabra without much effort, even if he was rusty. I'd like to think Gohan would be smart enough to realize that he would end up losing more energy just exchanging blows back and forth while playing it safe as a SS, than he would if he were to just take care of business with SS2.

[Fox666]

I don't know, but looking at the battle with Cell it seems very energy consumpting, even taking in account that Gohan was torturing Cell. Cell survived a few blows, tried to use a giant Kamehame-ha, transformed in that bulked-up form, etc.

[Saiga]

So he attacked Buus shell xD,,if you think in fight against Dabura maybe he whanted to prove that he dont need ssj2 for Dabura,,or there is no other way cuz he knows that to save Piccolo and Krillin he must kill Dabura...

Boo was at full power then, so I think he was no longer worried about energy and just attacked Boo's shell at full force. He may have even briefly turned into a SS2, because SS2 Pre-teen Gohan didn't have sparks when he charged up his Kamehameha.

[Super Vegetto]

So he attacked Buus shell xD,,if you think in fight against Dabura maybe he whanted to prove that he dont need ssj2 for Dabura,,or there is no other way cuz he knows that to save Piccolo and Krillin he must kill Dabura...

Boo was at full power then, so I think he was no longer worried about energy and just attacked Boo's shell at full force. He may have even briefly turned into a SS2, because SS2 Pre-teen Gohan didn't have sparks when he charged up his Kamehameha.

Wow i totaly forgot that. I was still into Supreme Kai telling to not do anything that would make Buu revived xD
Pre-teen ? you mean kid Gohan ?

[Saiga]

So he attacked Buus shell xD,,if you think in fight against Dabura maybe he whanted to prove that he dont need ssj2 for Dabura,,or there is no other way cuz he knows that to save Piccolo and Krillin he must kill Dabura...

Boo was at full power then, so I think he was no longer worried about energy and just attacked Boo's shell at full force. He may have even briefly turned into a SS2, because SS2 Pre-teen Gohan didn't have sparks when he charged up his Kamehameha.

Wow i totaly forgot that. I was still into Supreme Kai telling to not do anything that would make Buu revived xD
Pre-teen ? you mean kid Gohan ?

Pre-teen as in Cell games Gohan yeah.

[Super Vegetto]

Pre-teen as in Cell games Gohan yeah.[/quote]


Hmm Gohan kid ssj2 always had sparks. He starts powering up and getting sparks and then conc energy but Gohan against Buu shell doesnt have sparks even when he power up. So its realy hard to say he is ssj2 without having sparks while Goku and Vegeta always had.

[hleV]

Looking at Gohan's appearance, nothing really suggests that he ever turned SSJ2 after the 25th TB.

Although Gohan not going SSJ2 is hard to explain, we can at least explain him standing up to Dabra as a SSJ.
To work this out, we could trust Daizenshuu and say that Gohan is as strong as he was back at the Cell Games, but before he went SSJ2. So SSJ teen Gohan ~ FPSSJ kid Gohan.
If Goku at first compared Dabra to the Cell he himself fought, and later Dabra's proven to be stronger than that, SSJ Gohan shouldn't be completely losing, right?

[Fox666]

Boo was at full power then, so I think he was no longer worried about energy and just attacked Boo's shell at full force. He may have even briefly turned into a SS2, because SS2 Pre-teen Gohan didn't have sparks when he charged up his Kamehameha.

However Gohan's hair doesn't seems any different firing that Kamehame-ha...

[Saiga]

Boo was at full power then, so I think he was no longer worried about energy and just attacked Boo's shell at full force. He may have even briefly turned into a SS2, because SS2 Pre-teen Gohan didn't have sparks when he charged up his Kamehameha.

However Gohan's hair doesn't seems any different firing that Kamehame-ha...

His hair doesn't seem too different from SS1 and SS2 though. There are slight differences, but it's hard to tell in the manga.

[Fox666]

However it's still visible, making the hair a little closer to his look as a Super Saiyan 2 against Cell.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I remember a video from, I think, Venom9808 a while ago, basically going over the whole SS/SS2 debacle, with the hair, the aura, the lightning sparks, the movies, everything (although I don't recall it mentioning DBZ Movie #10, which is understandable, since Toei are so inconsistent with, well, everything, it's hard to use them as evidence in a factual argument like that). But it showed the part where Gohan transforms when Videl's getting beaten up by Spopovich.

I think he said something like he seemed to be a regular SS, due to the aura and lack of lightning sparks, but his hair suggested that he was SS2. Also, something to do with bangs, also relating back to Gohan's regular SS when he was training with Goten before the tournament.

Basically, it's really, really hard to determine what form Gohan (and Vegeta)'s in going by hair alone, if there's any difference at all. Essentially, there may be no right or wrong answer, and Toriyama only really seemed to differentiate Super Saiyan 2 as being a full-on transformation on top of SS, rather than just being regular Super Saiyan with more power pumped into it, like the "beyond Super Saiyan" forms (Grade II and III).

Read this:

It really makes me wonder if Toriyama just hadn't settled on what "Super Saiyan 2" was yet. If 'SS2' is just 'full power', then it makes perfect since why Goku and Vegeta comment the way they do, for example.

Hmm. Yeah, that's possible too. Back at the Cell Games, readers would probably get the impression that "Super Saiyan 2" was a manifestation of Gohan's hidden power, unexpected even to Gokuu (although he still knew "getting angry" was what would defeat Cell), rather than a new Super Saiyan form, and was exclusive to Gohan. But later, all of a sudden, Gokuu and Vegeta seemingly have it too and it's not all that special.

Like I said: Toriyama. Fatigue. Piss-poor writing.

I even remember that there were some people thinking that Gokuu was a Super Saiyan 2 during the triple Father-Son Kamehameha against Broli in DBZ Movie #10, but people dismissed it that it was merely the wind blowing his hair back. But I can see a perfectly valid argument in that for him being SS2. I mean, he probably has it by now, and SS2 Gokuu, SS/SS2 Gohan and SS Goten's Kamehameha would be enough, if not moreso, to kill Broli.

[Fox666]

Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 during his battle with Broli.



However he was only a Super Saiyan when he fired the Kamehameha, and so was Goku.

[Eight-Star Dragon]

So the animators were inconsistent in the movie itself? That's... great.

[Piccolo Daimao]

So the animators were inconsistent in the movie itself? That's... great.

Well, yeah. It's Toei. They're cheap and lazy.

[Fox666]

So the animators were inconsistent in the movie itself? That's... great.

Why? I think they just wanted Gohan to be in the same form of Goku and Goten.

[Saiga]

He thinks he's defeated Broli and powers down from SS2, to SS, to base and then back to SS for the triple Kamehameha (I think).