The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Pantalones]

Just because two people both got beat up by the same form of Buu doesn't mean they're even close to being in the same range of power, especially if one of them gets a real fight and the other gets stomped in an off-panel joke scene. Vegeta at least managed to do enough to get Buu angry, while Gotenks seems to have gotten his ass kicked right after he left and spent the rest of his fusion time laying around knocked out somewhere or dragging himself back.

And if base Gotenks was as strong as SSj2 Vegeta, his SSj form wouldn't be in the range of SSj3 Goku like a lot of people seem to say it is... SSj3 Goku should only be around 4 times as strong as SSj2 Goku (or Vegeta) going by the formulas in one of the guides, while someone 50x stronger than SSj2 Vegeta should be waaaay above SSj3 Goku. Unless SSj works differently for fusions or something, it makes no sense for base Gotenks to be that strong, especially not before that extra bit of training.

I guess you could get the idea that base Gotenks and SSj2 Vegeta are roughly in the same range from the anime's filler version of their fight, but even there Buu completely stomps all over Gotenks as soon as he gets anywhere near serious.

[Fox666]

I don't understand how you guys get to some conclusions.

Gotenks tought he was the stronger out there and that he could defeat the fat Majin Boo, but actually he was of no use, that's all we know. Does that means he is stronger than Vegeta?? That he is nowhere close to Vegeta?? I don't think it means anything like that.

And remember that Gotenks did the same mistake of fighting in his regular form with Evil Boo too. So I don't really think you should trust his judgement of who he can or not defeat.

[Silkman3003]

Majin Vegeta vs SPC and Ssj2 Kid Gohan

Can Vegeta solo?

[Saiga]

Even if the duo prove too much for him, he can just blow himself up and guarantee victory at a price.

[Fox666]

Against the two of them? Probably not.

[dprez]

I think Ssj2 Majin Vegeta can win with extreme difficulties. I believe Goku and Vegeta proved themselves as top tier Ssj2's. Kid Gohan and SPC are mid-tier, with SPC possibly closer to a low-tier like Boo saga Ssj2 Teen Gohan.

[sonikku956]

Yamcha (2008 OVA) and Tien (Buu Saga) vs. Android 19 and 20

What do you think?

[Kaboom]

Yamcha (2008 OVA) and Tenshinhan (Buu Saga) vs. Android 19 and 20
What do you think?

Yamcha's probably gotten weaker since the Androids arc. At least Tenshinhan's no doubt a lot stronger, but it's still just two of the humans against two Androids who together could likely overcome Freeza. Their only hope is that the Androids might not be able to absorb Ten's Shin Kikoho.

[sonikku956]

Yamcha (2008 OVA) and Tenshinhan (Buu Saga) vs. Android 19 and 20
What do you think?

Yamcha's probably gotten weaker since the Androids arc. At least Tenshinhan's no doubt a lot stronger, but it's still just two of the humans against two Androids who together could likely overcome Freeza. Their only hope is that the Androids might not be able to absorb Ten's Shin Kikoho.

Oh. I guess he just wears his gi to remember old times

[Kaboom]

Oh. I guess he just wears his gi to remember old times

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he and Kuririn whipping out the old Turtle school gi was just for the sake of fanservice, and not meant to imply that either one of them had come out of retirement.

[Fox666]

Yamcha would be of no use. Tenshinhan was quite scared of these two Androids back then, I doubt he overcome them as of the Majin Boo saga.

[Pantalones]

It's possible that Tenshinhan might be strong enough to handle #19 or #20 by then... though even in a best-case scenario I doubt he'd be able to take on both of them at once in a close-up physical fight (or even just one, depending on exactly how strong they are and exactly how strong he is... we never really get a clear answer on either of those, aside from #19 or #20 already being pretty weak compared to Piccolo and the Super Saiyans back when they showed up.) And, of course, Yamcha would be pretty much useless except maybe as a distraction, so it would pretty much be Tenshinhan vs. the Androids from the start.

No matter how strong (or weak) Tenshinhan is in comparison to the Androids, though, either one of them would be wiped out by a Shin Kikoho unless their absorbing capacity is waaaaay beyond what they showed in their fights with Goku and Vegeta (and I suspect that their capacity doesn't go too far beyond that, since even the relatively small amount of energy they were able to absorb was more than they expected--#20 thought he had absorbed almost all of Piccolo's, but really he barely put a dent in it--and Gero/#20 had been expecting Goku to be even weaker than the sick SSj Goku that #19 ended up fighting.)
Also, the absorbing-model Androids need to "catch" the blast in their hands to absorb it, and the Shin Kikoho blasts seem to come out pretty fast in succession (going by how Cell couldn't even fly up fast enough to clear the gap between him and Tenshinhan in the time it took for another blast to smack him back down)--even if the Androids saw the first blast coming, if they weren't expecting multiple blasts right after another, it's very possible that their guard would be down after absorbing the first and they'd just get smashed by the next one.

I'd say Buu Saga Tenshinhan would definitely win against either of the two absorbing-model Androids in a one-on-one fight, though how hard of a fight it would be depends on exactly how much of a gap there is (since Tenshinhan is most likely still at least somewhat behind them at that point.)
Against both of them at once, though... it's a lot less likely. There's a very good chance he'd lose that one, especially if he tried to fight them up close. If he managed to catch them both in the same Shin Kikoho blast, that would do it. There's also the possibility of just blowing up #19/#20 with the second blast when his guard is down after he absorbed the first one (assuming that the attack wouldn't have multiple blasts, which is a logical assumption--attacks that powerful usually are a "one blast and they're done" sort of thing) and then tricking whoever's left into trying to absorb so many Shin Kikohos that he absorbs too much, overloads, and blows up like Yakon.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Majin Vegeta vs SPC and Ssj2 Kid Gohan

Can Vegeta solo?

Yes, I think Vegeta, who required his dormant power being brought out beyond its limits to only match Gokuu, would now be strong enough to demolish both of them with little trouble.

Yamcha (2008 OVA) and Tenshinhan (Buu Saga) vs. Android 19 and 20

The Androids are much stronger than both of them, so the only chance Yamcha and Tenshinhan would have at defeating them is if they were cocky, didn't absorb their ki and got distracted by Yamcha long enough for Tenshinhan to finish them off with a Shin Kikouhou.

[Fox666]

I don't think they can absorb a Kiai attack, but I don't think the Shin Kikoho would cause any critical damage. Considering they are just machines, it might not even affect them like it did with Cell.

[Saiga]

19 solos both of them. Even without absorbing energy.

[In Brightest Day]

This idea that Tenshinhan would be any more useful than Yamcha without the Ki-Ko-Ho is hilarious.

[Godo]

Yamcha would be of no use. Tenshinhan was quite scared of these two Androids back then, I doubt he overcome them as of the Majin Boo saga.

Yeah but so was Piccolo of Freeza but he surpassed him greatly, and even Tenshinhan was scared of Nappa but can later kill him with a flick of his finger. That's not a reliable way of trying to figure strengths out. Especially since we have Super Vegeta thinking that he can beat Perfect Cell.

Regarding the actual vs. fight, I think that they are much weaker, but Tenshinhan may be able to do something with his kikoho. If he gets lucky.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I don't think they can absorb a Kiai attack, but I don't think the Shin Kikoho would cause any critical damage. Considering they are just machines, it might not even affect them like it did with Cell.

Why not? I mean, the Shin Kikouhou had enough power behind it to continuously push Cell back and prevent him from going after #18. Logically, it should be able to destroy enemies much weaker than him.

And why do you think it might not affect them because they're machines?

[Hellspawn28]

If Tenshinhan was able to stop Buu's attack then won't be strong enough to take out both 19 and Gero on his own?

[Piccolo Daimao]

If Tenshinhan was able to stop Buu's attack then won't be strong enough to take out both 19 and Gero on his own?

I always imagined that Boo had fired a weak blast, since it was only intended to kill Dende, who isn't a warrior.

New match-up: Gokuu (start of DB) vs. Spopovich. If Spopovich can't beat Gokuu alone, then throw in Yamu too.