Though GT is a very overpowered series, Vegito would still be significant in the mix.
Hypothetically, Vegito can turn SSJ2 (Both Goku and Vegeta can turn SSJ2) and SSJ3 (Gotenks turned SSJ3 though Goten and Trunks were only ordinary SSJ). Now, if this SSJ3 Vegito, End of Z (stronger than the Buu Saga counterpart) would go 1-on-1 would any GT Villain, which ones do you think he would be able to beat?
Minor Villains (Ledgic, Lord Luud, Cardinal Mutchy Mutchy)?
Hyper-Meta Rilldo?
Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta?
Super 17?
Each Shadow Dragon?
Omega Shenron?
What are your thoughts?
Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
SSjin 3 Vegetto (Boo arc) would easily beat every GT villain besides Super No. 17 (Post) and Yi Xing Long IMO. Going by Base Goku (EoZ) = SSjin 3 Goku (Boo arc) I doubt he'd need anything more than SSjin 2, if even that, to win this.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
How huge of a gap would this End of Z SSJ3 Vegito have with Super 17 and Omega Shenron? Would Super 17 or Omega Shenron be more powerful by tenfold or twenty-fold even to Vegito?CatouttaHell wrote:SSjin 3 Vegetto (Boo arc) would easily beat every GT villain besides Super No. 17 (Post) and Yi Xing Long IMO. Going by Base Goku (EoZ) = SSjin 3 Goku (Boo arc) I doubt he'd need anything more than SSjin 2, if even that, to win this.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
All of them.
SSJ Vegetto > SSJ3 Goku and = SSJ2 Gogeta
SSJ3 Vegetto > SSJ4 Gogeta
So no problem there
And to the other poster Base Goku EOZ is NOT equal to SSJ3 Goku. I hesitate to believe that Base Goku EOZ = SSJ Goku Majin Buu arc. There is no good reason for him to be so strong.
SSJ Vegetto > SSJ3 Goku and = SSJ2 Gogeta
SSJ3 Vegetto > SSJ4 Gogeta
So no problem there
And to the other poster Base Goku EOZ is NOT equal to SSJ3 Goku. I hesitate to believe that Base Goku EOZ = SSJ Goku Majin Buu arc. There is no good reason for him to be so strong.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
No way to know for sure. There are no official numbers after the Freeza arc so precise gaps like that are totally up to one's interpretation IMO.Angelus wrote:How huge of a gap would this End of Z SSJ3 Vegito have with Super 17 and Omega Shenron? Would Super 17 or Omega Shenron be more powerful by tenfold or twenty-fold even to Vegito?
There's no way any form of Gogeta (Z) is touching Super Vegetto. Gohan-Boo flat-out said that Gogeta would be no match for him, and Vegetto himself he didn't expect Gohan-Boo to be so helpless despite already knowing that Potara >>> Metamorian.Goten Forever wrote:All of them.
SSJ Vegetto > SSJ3 Goku and = SSJ2 Gogeta
Not to mention that would imply that SSjin 2 Vegeta is multi-fold a hypothetical SSjin 3 Chibi Trunks, which is lolworthy.
Base Goku fought evenly with Enraged Oob, who is equal to Pure Boo.Goten Forever wrote:And to the other poster Base Goku EOZ is NOT equal to SSJ3 Goku. I hesitate to believe that Base Goku EOZ = SSJ Goku Majin Buu arc. There is no good reason for him to be so strong.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
All of them. In base. And I'm not joking.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
SSJ4 Vegetto > SSJ4 Gogeta > Super Yi Xing Long > Super 17 > SSJ3 Vegetto > SSJ3 Gogeta etc..
That's just my impression.
That's just my impression.
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Vegetto kicking you into orbit theme
Ah, the Alpha and the Omega. As all life was created from Chaos...so shall it be DESTROYED!!!
The wails of machines | Singing cold harmony | Shifting air upward | Entranced by the breeze | Light pours like blood | Into a cosmic sea | Of stars crystallized | In a frozen symphony
Vegetto kicking you into orbit theme
Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
Wish... forum had... karma system..DBZGTKOSDH wrote:All of them. In base. And I'm not joking.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
I don't think you've seen GT. And I'm not joking.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:All of them. In base. And I'm not joking.
CatouttaHell wrote:I guess he's just impossibly powerful and he now gets thrills from letting things go as much to hell as possible before busting out his ultimate power and ending the villain or some shit.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
I've seen GT. I've also read the new stuff from the Super Exiting Guide, thanks to Herms. Vegetto's battle power = Goku's battle power X Vegeta's battle power.Nazi Cola wrote:I don't think you've seen GT. And I'm not joking.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:All of them. In base. And I'm not joking.
That's a lot of power, and just in base form.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
Then I take it you don't follow GT strength comparisons, or you don't believe Goku when he said Super Vegeta-Baby had surpassed Vegetto's strength?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I've seen GT. I've also read the new stuff from the Super Exiting Guide, thanks to Herms. Vegetto's battle power = Goku's battle power X Vegeta's battle power.Nazi Cola wrote:I don't think you've seen GT. And I'm not joking.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:All of them. In base. And I'm not joking.
That's a lot of power, and just in base form.
CatouttaHell wrote:I guess he's just impossibly powerful and he now gets thrills from letting things go as much to hell as possible before busting out his ultimate power and ending the villain or some shit.
Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
Base Kid Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hypothetical SS1,000,000 Vegetto. 
GT Logic.
GT Logic.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
Do you have a link to this Super Exiting Guide? I'd love to give it a read.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: I've seen GT. I've also read the new stuff from the Super Exiting Guide, thanks to Herms. Vegetto's battle power = Goku's battle power X Vegeta's battle power.
That's a lot of power, and just in base form.
What is it according to your interpretation? How many times more powerful is Super 17 or Omega Shenron compared to SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z)? Tenfold? Or more?CatouttaHell wrote:No way to know for sure. There are no official numbers after the Freeza arc so precise gaps like that are totally up to one's interpretation IMO.
Which episode in GT was that, when Goku said that? I watched the Funimation dub only... and I forgot some details of GT... since I didn't really like it. It just filled up the void for wanting more Dragon Ball Z for me.Nazi Cola wrote: Then I take it you don't follow GT strength comparisons, or you don't believe Goku when he said Super Vegeta-Baby had surpassed Vegetto's strength?
Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
Vegetto's a gag character. His gag powers enable him to defeat all non-gag characters.
Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
Maybe any unfused SSJ4. Super Yi Xing Long stomps him no matter what.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
He didn't. I think what Goku said was that Baby was the strongest person he had ever seen.Angelus wrote:Which episode in GT was that, when Goku said that?
Of course if that includes a short-lived supernatural fusion is open to interpretation. Toei also included some dubious lines of how Pure Majin Boo was the strongest guy ever, etc.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
He never said that. They just said that Super Vegeta-Baby was the strongest person he had ever met. And, well... Goku never met Vegetto.Nazi Cola wrote:Then I take it you don't follow GT strength comparisons, or you don't believe Goku when he said Super Vegeta-Baby had surpassed Vegetto's strength?
Sure:Angelus wrote:Do you have a link to this Super Exiting Guide? I'd love to give it a read.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... f=7&t=9953
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=10196
http://kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=guide#seg-guide
In the first 2 links, read the first posts, then search the whole threads for more info. Hope this helps.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
Using SSJ3 (which of course he can use), Vegetto would beat all the villains except the final one. However, he would still do better than SSJ4 Goku agaisnt him.
If he turned SSJ4 however, he would be even stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta so of course he would beat anyone.
As for what Goku said about baby's power, he is referring to everyone he met/fought against. And he never met/fought against Vegetto. As for anyone else´s power statements, they never saw Vegetto's SS2 and SSJ3 power, so they can't accurately compare Vegetto's true power.
If he turned SSJ4 however, he would be even stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta so of course he would beat anyone.
As for what Goku said about baby's power, he is referring to everyone he met/fought against. And he never met/fought against Vegetto. As for anyone else´s power statements, they never saw Vegetto's SS2 and SSJ3 power, so they can't accurately compare Vegetto's true power.
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Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
Can he? Originaly, Gotenks couldn't go SSJ at will, while Goten & Trunks could do it already.rereboy wrote:Using SSJ3 (which of course he can use)
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?
How do you know?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Originaly, Gotenks couldn't go SSJ at will