Which GT Villains would SSJ3 Vegito (End of Z) beat?

[rereboy]

Using SSJ3 (which of course he can use)

Can he? Originaly, Gotenks couldn't go SSJ at will, while Goten & Trunks could do it already.

So? Even Gotenks could use SSJ3, even though none of the kids could use it on his own. Goku can use it on his own already, so obviously Vegetto would be able to.

As for why the kids didn't use SSJ the first time they fused, I'm not sure they even tried to. Its possible that they simply didn't thought of it before training in the ROSAT. Even Piccolo hadn't thought of making the kids turn SSJ while fused in base form before he saw them do it.

[Godo]

Using SSJ3 (which of course he can use)

Can he? Originaly, Gotenks couldn't go SSJ at will, while Goten & Trunks could do it already.

The problem was not that Gotenks couldn't go SSJ at will.
The problem was that they didn't know if it was possible to transform into a SSJ whilst fused, since they didn't know exactly how it worked.

And also, SSJ Vegetto stomped Gohan Buu without any effort at all. SSJ3 Vegetto (8 times stronger) would destroy any villain in DBGT.
I have watched DBGT several times, and I can say that their power comparisons are as reliable and inconsistent as Vegeta's during Dragonball Z.
Any comparision of power to Buu is just as bad as basing on which Cell Goku was referring to in Babidi's ship.
And Oob is also not a good way to measure power.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Originaly, Gotenks couldn't go SSJ at will

How do you know?

Goten & Trunks transformed into SSJ first, and then fused. They needed some training, so that Gotenks could transform from base to SSJ, and SSJ3. Even Piccolo was impressed when he saw Gotenks transforming into SSJ on his own. Now, Vegetto is far more strong & skillful compared to Gotenks, so he could go SSJ on his own. But can he go beyond SSJ? We can't know for sure.

[hleV]

Originaly, Gotenks couldn't go SSJ at will

How do you know?

Goten & Trunks transformed into SSJ first, and then fused. They needed some training, so that Gotenks could transform from base to SSJ, and SSJ3. Even Piccolo was impressed when he saw Gotenks transforming into SSJ on his own. Now, Vegetto is far more strong & skillful compared to Gotenks, so he could go SSJ on his own. But can he go beyond SSJ? We can't know for sure.

They didn't know they could go SSJ after fusing. That's something they found out in the ROSAT.

[Angelus]

For the issue that Baby-Vegeta might be the most powerful enemy during that time that Goku met... well, Goku wouldn't remember Vegito. Goten and Trunks had no memory of what happened when they were fused as Gotenks. Goku and Vegeta also had no mention of Vegito after that.

And Vegito can most likely turn SSJ2 and SSJ3. Both Vegeta and Goku has SSJ2. And SSJ3 is very plausible considering Gotenks was able to turn SSJ3 even though Goten and Trunks don't even have SSJ2. And even though Gotenks couldn't turn SSJ when Goten and Trunks fused as base, Vegito turned SSJ easily when even though Vegeta and Goku fused in base.

[Fox666]

For the issue that Baby-Vegeta might be the most powerful enemy during that time that Goku met... well, Goku wouldn't remember Vegito. Goten and Trunks had no memory of what happened when they were fused as Gotenks. Goku and Vegeta also had no mention of Vegito after that.

They do remember, they mention some events that happened during while they were fused, in special Vegeta telling Goku it was horrible to fuse with him.

[Piccolo Daimao]

For the issue that Baby-Vegeta might be the most powerful enemy during that time that Goku met... well, Goku wouldn't remember Vegito. Goten and Trunks had no memory of what happened when they were fused as Gotenks. Goku and Vegeta also had no mention of Vegito after that.

They do remember, they mention some events that happened during while they were fused, in special Vegeta telling Goku it was horrible to fuse with him.

Yeah, you're probably right about that, since when Super Boo goads Goten and Trunks into merging to fight him again by saying that they were cowards, Trunks mentions that they were slaughtering him before they defused. It was never actually confirmed that they had no memory of what happened when they were fused, just that Bulma or someone asked them if they could remember, but there wasn't any answer.

It's the same situation as when Kuririn asked Bulma where baby Trunks' tail was and if she cut it off, but there wasn't any answer there either. It's plausible that Trunks was born with a tail, but Bulma cut it off early because she knew of the dangers of Oozaru. It's also plausible that Chi-Chi was told about Oozaru sometime between the Saiyan arc and the Boo arc (surely, she would've wondered why her five-year-old son was naked at the end of the battle with the Saiyans) and, thus, decided to cut it off early. Or, alternatively, before the start of the series, Goten and/or Trunks had their tails accidentally come off during a sparring session with Chi-Chi and Vegeta respectively.

[Kaboom]

It's worth noting that the rather generic description Goku used for Baby, "I ain't never felt a Ki as amazin' as that" or whatever it was, typically only refers to other people rather than one's self. In Movie 12, Goku said the same thing in reference to Fat Janemba... whom he then proceeded to easily destroy with Super Saiyan 3. So when Goku said he'd never felt a Ki as powerful as Janemba's, he apparently wasn't counting his own.

The question then still remains, of course, whether or not Vegetto would count as "himself" to Goku or not.

[Piccolo Daimao]

It's worth noting that the rather generic description Goku used for Baby, "I ain't never felt a Ki as amazin' as that" or whatever it was, typically only refers to other people rather than one's self. In Movie 12, Goku said the same thing in reference to Fat Janemba... whom he then proceeded to easily destroy with Super Saiyan 3. So when Goku said he'd never felt a Ki as powerful as Janemba's, he apparently wasn't counting his own.

The question then still remains, of course, whether or not Vegetto would count as "himself" to Goku or not.

I'd wager...no. It may depend on how much they remember of when they were merged, or whether or not remembering things during it is different between Metamoran and Potara (the latter's meant to be permanent), but I think Vegetto may still count as "himself" to Gokuu, because he's part of him, whether or not he remembers the events that took place while he was him and/or his power.

Or maybe we're just thinking about it too much, and it makes a greater impact to the story to have Baby be stronger than Vegetto, the last title-holder of "The Strongest DB Character"™. Or maybe they just didn't think about it, or it's just GT logic.

[Fox666]

It's the same situation as when Kuririn asked Bulma where baby Trunks' tail was and if she cut it off, but there wasn't any answer there either. It's plausible that Trunks was born with a tail, but Bulma cut it off early because she knew of the dangers of Oozaru. It's also plausible that Chi-Chi was told about Oozaru sometime between the Saiyan arc and the Boo arc (surely, she would've wondered why her five-year-old son was naked at the end of the battle with the Saiyans) and, thus, decided to cut it off early. Or, alternatively, before the start of the series, Goten and/or Trunks had their tails accidentally come off during a sparring session with Chi-Chi and Vegeta respectively.

They would never cut off one part of their child body, that would be not cool. Besides, the tail may just grow back, so it wouldn't necessarily prevent them from transforming in Oozaru.

Toriyama answered in a interview that they have been born without tails. This was also mentioned in the Daizenshuu.

[Piccolo Daimao]

They would never cut off one part of their child body, that would be not cool. Besides, the tail may just grow back, so it wouldn't necessarily prevent them from transforming in Oozaru.

Toriyama answered in a interview that they have been born without tails. This was also mentioned in the Daizenshuu.

Why wouldn't it be cool? And we don't exactly know if it'd grow back. Vegeta's didn't, although I understand there are numerous theories for that.

But Toriyama's already answered this for us, so whatever.

[Angelus]

Wait, where does Goku and Vegeta remember about anything about Vegito? And Goten and Trunks about Gotenks?
If my memory serves me right, Bulma asked Goten and Trunks and they don't remember. And I don't remember Goku and Vegeta saying anything about Vegito after they separated. Or my memory is bad. XD

[Piccolo Daimao]

If my memory serves me right, Bulma asked Goten and Trunks and they don't remember. And I don't remember Goku and Vegeta saying anything about Vegito after they separated. Or my memory is bad. XD

When Bulma or whoever asked that, they didn't reply (or it didn't show us them replying). Later, Trunks mentions that him and Goten as Gotenks would've slaughtered Super Boo if their fusion time hadn't run out, and Vegeta mentions his dislike of being merged with Gokuu and didn't want to be again, which is why he broke the Potara. Presumably, they remember at least something.

[Saiga]

And, more importantly, they seem to remember how strong Gotenks was as a Super Saiyan 3, when Goten corrects Trunks about Gotenks' strength in comparison to Boo. So I think Goku would know Vegetto's strength.

[Angelus]

Based on these speculations, which would you guys think would SSJ3 Vegito be able to beat among the GT villains?

[Fox666]

Why wouldn't it be cool? And we don't exactly know if it'd grow back. Vegeta's didn't, although I understand there are numerous theories for that.

It would be pretty much the same as cutting an arm or leg. Son Gohan seemed to be quite worried after he pulled off Goku's tail.

Toriyama answered that the Saiyans became so strong that they don't need the tail anymore. This matches the description in Daizenshuu, which says the tails grow back in case of danger. Of course neither Trunks or Goten would need a tail when they grow up, but Bulma or Chi-chi could predict how strong they would become.

[CatouttaHell]

Son talking about Super Vegetto when he said Super Vegeta-Baby was the greatest Ki he ever sensed makes the most sense IMO.

The GT Perfect Files states that Son Gohan didn't neglect his training, so it's likely that Gohan's "base form" is actually his Mightiest of Warriors form and he somehow managed to power up even further and go SSjin on top of it after 15-16 years of training.

Since General Rild managed to beat Base Gohan, the most likely Boo for him to be above is Gohan-Boo, and since Base Goku > General Rild there is nobody else he could possibly be talking about other than Super Vegetto.

GT probably assumes that there was a 50x/10x multiplier for SSjin throughout all of the original series, and they obviously use ridiculously low multipliers like 2.5x for SSjin in GT, hence why nonsense like Super Vegetto >>> SSjin 3 Goku >>> Base Goku > Base Vegetto is possible.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The GT Perfect Files states that Son Gohan didn't neglect his training, so it's likely that Gohan's "base form" is actually his Mightiest of Warriors form and he somehow managed to power up even further and go SSjin on top of it after 15-16 years of training.

The GT Perfect Files talk for GT. I think that Gohan stopped training in the 10 years after Boo, and lost his Ultimate power-up. So, he restarted his training to get stronger. If he was Ultimate SSJ, then he should be way stronger than Vegeta, but Vegeta is the one that is stronger.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Why wouldn't it be cool? And we don't exactly know if it'd grow back. Vegeta's didn't, although I understand there are numerous theories for that.

It would be pretty much the same as cutting an arm or leg. Son Gohan seemed to be quite worried after he pulled off Goku's tail.

No, Saiyans don't necessarily need their tails like they do their arms or legs. They're not limbs.

Gohan was worried because, having forcibly swung him around by his tail to the point that it literally snapped off, he'd hurt him and was probably unsure what would happen. But when Puar transformed into a pair of scissors and cut off Oozaru Gokuu's tail, it didn't seem to hurt him. Granted, he was reverting back to normal, but still. It seems not that much different from, say, circumcision.

But anyway, the Daizenshuu's answered this question, so it doesn't matter anymore.

[FNF]

If I remember correctly, Toei actually removed the line where Goku says he could have destroyed Pure Boo easily if he fused. This seems to me that Toei actually think Pure Boo, and somehow Goku, are stronger than Vegetto.